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LIPH wrote:
moeron wrote:George H W Bush was head of da CIA. He used his contacts to divert $$ from arms sales to Iran (Eyeran) gave $$ to Contras in South America. Ollie North lied under oath, Reagan pardoned him, North wrote a book about that.

When the "Iran Contra affair" went public. Think about it, the hostages were released about the same time Reagan was sworn in.
George H.W. Bush was Director of the CIA from January 30, 1976 to January 20, 1977, the day Carter was sworn in as President. The U.S. Embassy employees weren't taken hostage in Iran until November 4, 1979, almost 3 years after Bush left the CIA. The Iran-Contra scandal took place in the 1980's. And not to nitpick but the Contras were in Nicaragua, which is in Central America, not South America. But why let facts get in the way.
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LIPH wrote:
moeron wrote:George H W Bush was head of da CIA. He used his contacts to divert $$ from arms sales to Iran (Eyeran) gave $$ to Contras in South America. Ollie North lied under oath, Reagan pardoned him, North wrote a book about that.

When the "Iran Contra affair" went public. Think about it, the hostages were released about the same time Reagan was sworn in.
George H.W. Bush was Director of the CIA from January 30, 1976 to January 20, 1977, the day Carter was sworn in as President. The U.S. Embassy employees weren't taken hostage in Iran until November 4, 1979, almost 3 years after Bush left the CIA. The Iran-Contra scandal took place in the 1980's. And not to nitpick but the Contras were in Nicaragua, which is in Central America, not South America. But why let facts get in the way.
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ph4ever wrote:
FunkHouse9 wrote:JESUS W CHRIST ON A POGO STICK!!!!!

I thought the political discussions were over. Why must you people keep bringing it back up? The original Celebrity Golden-Boy Reagan won the election. Give Carter a @!)*& #$(*& ◘oY¼"ÿ6H♣╪ 3.14159265ing break. We get the point already!! It's been almost three decades!!!
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So....After Reagan took office G H W Never talked to his "Contacts" ?

I think not. With GW (Son) Used the same "Contacts" to out V. Plame.

As with most people there's no way to change other peoples minds. I think that most pol are currupt.


I hope that I am wrong, but, Look at the past. Stories abound about all past Presidents Good and bad.
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I heard a comedian say the other day: "Is it me, or is George Bush the worst president we've ever had??? I mean, seriously??? What makes it all the more unbelieveable is that his son George W. Bush is the best president we've ever had!!!"

I don't know why, but I found it very funny. :lol:
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Oh and by the way...

IF YOU PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT WALTER MONDALE, YOU DON'T KNOW ImageFROM SHINOLA!!!
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Let us not forget that there is a surprising amount of evidence that indicates that the Reagan Campaign, specifically William Casey, had been in touch with representatives of the Iranian Revolutionary Council and made a deal not only to release the hostages once Reagan became President but to continue to hold them through the election.

Like all good conspiracies, we will probably never know if that actually happened but one can build a good case for it.

As for the botched rescue attempt, it was a very complex plan with several major failure points. It is likely that if the aircraft hadn't collided and been damaged, that a number of hostages would have been either wounded or killed during the attempted rescue. Once more the US intelligence was weak on the ground and thus no one knew the exact details on where the hostages would be at the time of the rescue attempt and more importantly, where the Revolutionary Guards would be. The plan was based on the best information on hand at the time however the decision to attempt the rescue was pushed by political pressures and not by military reason.

Any subsequent rescue attempt would have had greater odds of failure because the Iranians had become more alert to the possibility and had become better organized.

As an aside, this was the event that got me to enlist in the USMC.

All in all, Jimmy Carter was and is a very moral individual and has many admirable traits. He had the misfortune of being President during a very difficult time. The US was in an economic slump and the Fed had undertaken a policy of hiking interest rates to stop inflation. This happened concurrently with a spike in energy costs that caused a slow down in the economy thus stifling job creation and growth. This caused stagflation to kick in and resulted in a long painful recession. As was pointed out by someone else, Jimmy Carter didn't work well with Congress and thus never could get any of his policies implemented which makes it hard to place all the blame on him. The irony is that the House was controlled by his own party!

He was successful in many foreign policy areas because he actually listened and was willing to reach accords rather than dictate to other countries. While many condemn the treaty to give control of the Panama Canal back to Panama, the treaty insures that the canal remains neutral and that the US has the right to return at anytime that it determines that it is in it's best interest to do so. (This is a canal that currently is only able to handle about 35% of all the ships sailing the oceans today and by 2020 to be able to handle less than 20% of all the ships out there, this raises questions about the long term value of the canal).

He also was instrumental in creating the Camp David Peace Accord, which ended the State of War between Israeli and Egypt. That accord ended 30 years of war between those two countries. It also served as a blueprint for the Jordanian/Israeli peace treaty.

I suspect that had he become President during a less troubled time he would go down in history as a Millard Fillmore or similar, rather than one of the worst Presidents. I don't think he would ever be a "Great President" because he wasn't bold and innovative.
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Post by moeron »

I think most of us would ask the question, How smart could anyone be who would spend MILLIONS of $$$ to work at something that pays $200,000 a year. While most people complain that the jamoke is the worst.
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Post by big john »

aquaholic wrote:
big john wrote:A jerk. He gave away the Panama Canal and kept the USA out of the
Moscow Olympics (crushing the dreams of hundreds of American
athletes who had worked for years for that one moment to come along,
just to make a political statement). I don't give a crap if he builds a
hundred houses. :pirate:
dumb s***
Now, was that directed at me or at Carter? :pirate:
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Post by jimolliemom »

I have a lot of respect for him. He seems (note I said SEEMS! I've never met the man) like a nice guy who has a huge heart. His wife suits him. They are both pro-people kinda people.


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Post by citcat »

Sure. I'm Presbyterian and we're the only ones who know how to get into Heaven.





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KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!

By the way, it's snowing in New Orleans. :o :lol:
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I've read he can play a mean harmonica.

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Post by LIPH »

citcat wrote:Sure. I'm Presbyterian and we're the only ones who know how to get into Heaven.





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KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!
I don't know about that. I've known some women who damn near had me in heaven. :o None of them were Presbyterian and neither am I. :lol:
what I really mean . . . I wish you were here

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He wrote one of the best books, "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid" I have ever read about the Middle East Peace process.

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Post by jimolliemom »

citcat wrote:Sure. I'm Presbyterian and we're the only ones who know how to get into Heaven.

NO KIDDING!! ME TOO!!!





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KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!

By the way, it's snowing in New Orleans. :o :lol:
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