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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
i have a work Blackberry but I kept my personal cell. I hardly use the thing except to check emails when I'm not in my office. Don't use my cell phone much either except on concert weekends!
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
ScarletB wrote:i have a work Blackberry but I kept my personal cell. I hardly use the thing except to check emails when I'm not in my office. Don't use my cell phone much either except on concert weekends!
I'm not sure how they will work for you and if you are still required to pay the taxes on the 25% of the calls even if you don't use it very much. Knowing the government, probably yes.
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
Then I'll just give it back, I have that choice. It's not like I ENJOY being able to see work emails on vacation.aeroparrot wrote:ScarletB wrote:i have a work Blackberry but I kept my personal cell. I hardly use the thing except to check emails when I'm not in my office. Don't use my cell phone much either except on concert weekends!
I'm not sure how they will work for you and if you are still required to pay the taxes on the 25% of the calls even if you don't use it very much. Knowing the government, probably yes.
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
You'll have to keep records to prove you use it only for work.aeroparrot wrote:I'm not sure how they will work for you and if you are still required to pay the taxes on the 25% of the calls even if you don't use it very much. Knowing the government, probably yes.ScarletB wrote:i have a work Blackberry but I kept my personal cell. I hardly use the thing except to check emails when I'm not in my office. Don't use my cell phone much either except on concert weekends!
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
I don't know how I'd do that as I don't ever see the bill, it goes right through the bank. And so far I've only used it to check emails when I'm out of the office. Like I said, I'll just give the silly thing back, it's not like I love having it.SchoolGirlHeart wrote:You'll have to keep records to prove you use it only for work.aeroparrot wrote:I'm not sure how they will work for you and if you are still required to pay the taxes on the 25% of the calls even if you don't use it very much. Knowing the government, probably yes.ScarletB wrote:i have a work Blackberry but I kept my personal cell. I hardly use the thing except to check emails when I'm not in my office. Don't use my cell phone much either except on concert weekends!
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
would think that the tax would apply if you were operating as a mixed-use. If it is a business-phone taking only business calls/emails and provided by the company, and you can prove there was no personal usage, it is not income, just a tool.
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
Yep, true, but what the IRS is proposing is they will ASSUME you're using it for 1/4 private use unless you can PROVE you're not. And proving it will be an incredible PITA.....RinglingRingling wrote:would think that the tax would apply if you were operating as a mixed-use. If it is a business-phone taking only business calls/emails and provided by the company, and you can prove there was no personal usage, it is not income, just a tool.
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
I carry two phones, one work, one personal.
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easy enough. 2 phones. 1 personal, 1 for business. company has strict policies about usage.SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Yep, true, but what the IRS is proposing is they will ASSUME you're using it for 1/4 private use unless you can PROVE you're not. And proving it will be an incredible PITA.....RinglingRingling wrote:would think that the tax would apply if you were operating as a mixed-use. If it is a business-phone taking only business calls/emails and provided by the company, and you can prove there was no personal usage, it is not income, just a tool.
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
I hope it's as easy as that, and it SHOULD be.... But with the IRS, I doubt it....RinglingRingling wrote:easy enough. 2 phones. 1 personal, 1 for business. company has strict policies about usage.SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Yep, true, but what the IRS is proposing is they will ASSUME you're using it for 1/4 private use unless you can PROVE you're not. And proving it will be an incredible PITA.....RinglingRingling wrote:would think that the tax would apply if you were operating as a mixed-use. If it is a business-phone taking only business calls/emails and provided by the company, and you can prove there was no personal usage, it is not income, just a tool.
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
Just do what I did.
Destroy two work phones, somehow get out of paying for them and they won't give you any more
Destroy two work phones, somehow get out of paying for them and they won't give you any more
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
This tax was originally passed in 1989. According to the Reuters article
http://www.reuters.com/article/technolo ... RP20090612
it seems that employers will assign an arbitrary percentage and that will be the taxed value. Seems to me that the employer should state that company cell phones are for company use only and not personal. This seems very difficult to enforce to me. What's the government going to do fire you from your job for violating the company policy of business use only? Hmmmm...Rick Wagoner was fired by the government I guess anything is possible. What about personal calls from land lines? Shouldn't they be taxed also? And personal use of the copy machine. and personal use of the internet. Shouldn't that all be taxed?
http://www.reuters.com/article/technolo ... RP20090612
it seems that employers will assign an arbitrary percentage and that will be the taxed value. Seems to me that the employer should state that company cell phones are for company use only and not personal. This seems very difficult to enforce to me. What's the government going to do fire you from your job for violating the company policy of business use only? Hmmmm...Rick Wagoner was fired by the government I guess anything is possible. What about personal calls from land lines? Shouldn't they be taxed also? And personal use of the copy machine. and personal use of the internet. Shouldn't that all be taxed?
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FOR GOD'S SAKE, DON'T GIVE THEM ANY *MORE* IDEAS!!!!!Skibo wrote:This tax was originally passed in 1989. According to the Reuters article
http://www.reuters.com/article/technolo ... RP20090612
it seems that employers will assign an arbitrary percentage and that will be the taxed value. Seems to me that the employer should state that company cell phones are for company use only and not personal. This seems very difficult to enforce to me. What's the government going to do fire you from your job for violating the company policy of business use only? Hmmmm...Rick Wagoner was fired by the government I guess anything is possible. What about personal calls from land lines? Shouldn't they be taxed also? And personal use of the copy machine. and personal use of the internet. Shouldn't that all be taxed?
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
Same here.CaptainP wrote:I carry two phones, one work, one personal.
I'd been keeping my work cell phone turned off when I'm not AT work, but, as we're supposed to be available 24/7, and, since I DO like getting "on call" pay, I now leave it on all the time.
We're not SUPPOSED to make long distance personal calls with the work cell, but it's *authorized* from the office.
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Unfortunately, based on what the article states, the IRS will assume you're using the company phone for personal usage and force you to pay taxes on the usage. Knowing the IRS, they will make it very difficult for you to prove that you don't use it for personal calls. Knowing them, if you ask the other person on the line how they are doing, they could rule that a personal call (even if we ask it to be polite).RinglingRingling wrote:would think that the tax would apply if you were operating as a mixed-use. If it is a business-phone taking only business calls/emails and provided by the company, and you can prove there was no personal usage, it is not income, just a tool.
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
I thought Obama was giving 90% of americans a tax cut?! This sounds like if affects more than just the "rich" top brackets of tax payers... hmmmm...aeroparrot wrote:Unfortunately, based on what the article states, the IRS will assume you're using the company phone for personal usage and force you to pay taxes on the usage. Knowing the IRS, they will make it very difficult for you to prove that you don't use it for personal calls. Knowing them, if you ask the other person on the line how they are doing, they could rule that a personal call (even if we ask it to be polite).RinglingRingling wrote:would think that the tax would apply if you were operating as a mixed-use. If it is a business-phone taking only business calls/emails and provided by the company, and you can prove there was no personal usage, it is not income, just a tool.
Perhaps when republicans tired to explain these type of tax raises (the kind that affects large amounts of tax payers) we were right...
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
having spoken to an accountant with access to the original rules, and dimly remembering the conversation:aeroparrot wrote:Unfortunately, based on what the article states, the IRS will assume you're using the company phone for personal usage and force you to pay taxes on the usage. Knowing the IRS, they will make it very difficult for you to prove that you don't use it for personal calls. Knowing them, if you ask the other person on the line how they are doing, they could rule that a personal call (even if we ask it to be polite).RinglingRingling wrote:would think that the tax would apply if you were operating as a mixed-use. If it is a business-phone taking only business calls/emails and provided by the company, and you can prove there was no personal usage, it is not income, just a tool.
a) company provides phone, has policy in place, performs regular audits of usage, probably not a problem.
b) company provides phone, no policy in place, no audit of usage: on the hook for the taxes.
c) company provides phone, policy in place, user audits and reimburses for any personal use on proration system, probably not a problem.
yes it depends on the amount of paperwork provided/required, but basically it sounds like the usual: keep records, engage in basic business practices and it isn't an issue. Get creative or sloppy, you will probably have one.
And if the rules were on the book since 1989 and not enforced, that takes it all the way back to Geo. I "Read my lips"'s era. So evidently the Repubs wanted a cash grab back then too.
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Re: If you have a cell phone given to you by your office....
So let me see, if I use my work phone for personal use I have to pay taxes on it, so that would reason that if I use my personal cell for business then I should get a tax credit as a business expense, maybe that would offset the taxes for my work phone!! God I hate the IRS.