2009 Baseball Season

[Wino you know]

First of all, the Yankees don't stink. In between the last two series with Boston, NY went 21-10. For some reason Boston has their number so far this season. The reason is PITCHING. Any game that goes to the NY bullpen with the game on the line is up for grabs.

You're partially correct.
Any game that goes to the Yankee bullpen with the game on the line is pretty much a garunteed loss for the Yanks.
I can think of AT LEAST a couple games this year when they had a six or seven run lead in the late innings, and ended up winning by one run. (I think one of them even went into extra innings).
And despite their ineptness against the Red Sox this year, they're doing WAY better than I would've ever expected them to under Joe Girardi. (The only manager in baseball history to be FIRED after being named manager of the year).

The Sox don't have to do anything until Friday; that's when Smoltz's 30 day rehab assignment is up.

I'm guessing Smoltz will probably be okay.
He's obviously not the Smoltz of old, but I think he'll be a decent pitcher for a couple more years.

[Frank4]

First of all, the Yankees don't stink. In between the last two series with Boston, NY went 21-10. For some reason Boston has their number so far this season. The reason is PITCHING. Any game that goes to the NY bullpen with the game on the line is up for grabs.

You're partially correct.
Any game that goes to the Yankee bullpen with the game on the line is pretty much a garunteed loss for the Yanks.
I can think of AT LEAST a couple games this year when they had a six or seven run lead in the late innings, and ended up winning by one run. (I think one of them even went into extra innings).
And despite their ineptness against the Red Sox this year, they're doing WAY better than I would've ever expected them to under Joe Girardi. (The only manager in baseball history to be FIRED after being named manager of the year).

The Sox don't have to do anything until Friday; that's when Smoltz's 30 day rehab assignment is up.

I'm guessing Smoltz will probably be okay.
He's obviously not the Smoltz of old, but I think he'll be a decent pitcher for a couple more years.

Something is not right, when Smoltz is in a Boston uniform and not an Atlanta uniform

[luvinlife]

If you put Dice-K in the Pen, it makes the best bullpen I have ever seen weeker, why in the world would you want to do that. I say put Dice-k on IR and make him work out what ever kinks the WBC put into his rooootine and then bring him back. Bard is young but would you rather see him learn how to pitch in this bullpen or the one in RI?

[SuperTrooper]

If you put Dice-K in the Pen, it makes the best bullpen I have ever seen weeker, why in the world would you want to do that. I say put Dice-k on IR and make him work out what ever kinks the WBC put into his rooootine and then bring him back. Bard is young but would you rather see him learn how to pitch in this bullpen or the one in RI?

Sending Dice-K to the pen is an option because it doesn't require his permission and it keeps him on the roster. Going on the DL (not IR, which would finish him for the year) would have other teams and the commish questioning the validity of this sudden "injury". Based on an interview with Francona yesterday, Dice-K will get a chance to work out the kinks in the rotation for now. Tito didn't come out and say it, but when Smoltz does come up it will be as part of a short term 6-man rotation. I used to think this was a bad idea, until the stats were brought out showing that on 5 days rest Beckett and Lester have ERAs under 2, and on 4 days rest their ERAs are around 4. I doubt the experiment lasts beyond the AS break + a week. By then you probably know if Smoltz is worthy, and Penny will probably be gone in a trade.

The AL East is the last place I want my pitchers "learning" how to pitch. Bard is best off as the PawSox closer so he can pitch more often, and pitch so he can adjust to being in the role of closer. He is the Sox insurance policy if Papelbon leaves as a free agent.

[luvinlife]

Bard will be faceing NO ONE that can hit like major league hitters down in RI so what is he gonna "Learn" down there that he is not gonna "Learn" in the AL East. By sending him down and inserting Dice-K you handicap the best pen in baseball simple as that. 3 games is nothing when you have the Yanks and Rays chasing you. The sox must beat up on the week teams they are playing now.

[Frank4]

former Cub, Mel Hall sentenced to 45 years in jail for raping a 12 year old he coached

[Frank4]

Cubs Win Cubs Win....let's hope todays game snaps Soto out of the rut he's in...

[aeroparrot]

Question. Last night's Red Sox game was called after 5 1/2 (that's what I heard -- 5 1/2) innings. Florida was awarded the win. I know that is an official game, however, since the Sox were the home team and were behind, shouldn't the game been at least suspended and resumed later? What's the difference between yesterday's game and the Orioles vs. Yanks game from a couple of years ago when the game was suspended and then continued later.

[Glorfindel7]

Question. Last night's Red Sox game was called after 5 1/2 (that's what I heard -- 5 1/2) innings. Florida was awarded the win. I know that is an official game, however, since the Sox were the home team and were behind, shouldn't the game been at least suspended and resumed later? What's the difference between yesterday's game and the Orioles vs. Yanks game from a couple of years ago when the game was suspended and then continued later.

Probably because it was a interleague game (American vs. National)....

[SMLCHNG]

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[CaptainP]

Question. Last night's Red Sox game was called after 5 1/2 (that's what I heard -- 5 1/2) innings. Florida was awarded the win. I know that is an official game, however, since the Sox were the home team and were behind, shouldn't the game been at least suspended and resumed later? What's the difference between yesterday's game and the Orioles vs. Yanks game from a couple of years ago when the game was suspended and then continued later.

I believe that it would have been called back at the end of the last COMPLETED inning. So the score at the end of 5 innings would be what counts. The top of the 6th, and the stats accrued, would not count towards the record books.

I'm not sure 100% why some are called, some are replayed, some are continued. I'm sure there is a guideline somewhere, but it never mattered to me enough to find out.

[aeroparrot]

Question. Last night's Red Sox game was called after 5 1/2 (that's what I heard -- 5 1/2) innings. Florida was awarded the win. I know that is an official game, however, since the Sox were the home team and were behind, shouldn't the game been at least suspended and resumed later? What's the difference between yesterday's game and the Orioles vs. Yanks game from a couple of years ago when the game was suspended and then continued later.

I believe that it would have been called back at the end of the last COMPLETED inning. So the score at the end of 5 innings would be what counts. The top of the 6th, and the stats accrued, would not count towards the record books.

I'm not sure 100% why some are called, some are replayed, some are continued. I'm sure there is a guideline somewhere, but it never mattered to me enough to find out.

It doesn't really matter, I was wondering that was all.

[aeroparrot]

This was eventual.

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/artic ... p&c_id=bos

[docandjeanie]

OMG, why can't the Phillies win at home, it's getting redic now.

[Gypsy In The Palace]

Rainout rules:

--If a game has not made it through 5 innings (or 4.5 if the home team is ahead), it is not an official game and must be resumed from the beginning.

--If it has gone 5 innings (or 4.5 if the home team is ahead) and is stopped in the middle of an inning when the visiting team has just rallied to tie the score or take the lead and the home team has not had a full bottom half of the inning to answer (or has not retaken the lead in an uncompleted bottom half of the inning), than it is suspended and resumed later at the point of interruption.

--If it has gone 5 innings (or 4.5 if the home team is ahead) and somebody is ahead (and assuming the above rule about a suspended game doesn't apply), the team ahead wins.

--If it has gone 5 innings (or 4.5 if the home team is ahead) and the game is tied (and assuming the above rule about a suspended game doesn't apply), it is ruled a "tie game." Up until a few years ago, the stats counted, but the game was resumed from the beginning. A few years ago, they changed the rule to pick these games up at the point of interruption.

Everybody got that? Great! Come back to this thread tomorrow. I'm giving a quiz!

Rule 4.10 to 4.12:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/ ... g_game.pdf

[BottleofRum]

Question. Last night's Red Sox game was called after 5 1/2 (that's what I heard -- 5 1/2) innings. Florida was awarded the win. I know that is an official game, however, since the Sox were the home team and were behind, shouldn't the game been at least suspended and resumed later? What's the difference between yesterday's game and the Orioles vs. Yanks game from a couple of years ago when the game was suspended and then continued later.

I believe that it would have been called back at the end of the last COMPLETED inning. So the score at the end of 5 innings would be what counts. The top of the 6th, and the stats accrued, would not count towards the record books.

I'm not sure 100% why some are called, some are replayed, some are continued. I'm sure there is a guideline somewhere, but it never mattered to me enough to find out.

It doesn't really matter, I was wondering that was all.

It matters when the visiting team scored the lead run, had the game been tied 1-1 going into the top of the 6th and Florida scored in that inning to take the lead, Boston would have to get their last AB's in the bottom of the 6th, if the rain cause the game to be called off before the completion of the bottom of the 6th it would be a suspended game. But in that game Florida already had a lead. In the NY-Bal game, if I recall the game was tied into the top of the 7th, NY scored 3 runs in the top of the 7th, in the bottom of the 7th the game was halted because of rain. Because NY scored in that inning Balt. gets another AB so the game was suspended.

[nutmeg]

How about those Tigers???? Woo Hoo on the wins against Milwaukee


Oh! and the Great Lakes Loons had a 10 game winning streak going before losing the last game before their all star break. And the Loons have the home run leader and the bases stolen leader in the Midwest league.

We watched them beat the Lansing Lugnuts two games last week. There's a fellow named Dee Gordon who is a blast to watch. Has tons of stolen bases and did some spectacular fielding as well.

[fabduo]

OMG, why can't the Phillies win at home, it's getting redic now.

Thank you for keeping my "wounded" Mets alive!!!!

[jonesbeach10]

Question. Last night's Red Sox game was called after 5 1/2 (that's what I heard -- 5 1/2) innings. Florida was awarded the win. I know that is an official game, however, since the Sox were the home team and were behind, shouldn't the game been at least suspended and resumed later? What's the difference between yesterday's game and the Orioles vs. Yanks game from a couple of years ago when the game was suspended and then continued later.

I believe that it would have been called back at the end of the last COMPLETED inning. So the score at the end of 5 innings would be what counts. The top of the 6th, and the stats accrued, would not count towards the record books.

I'm not sure 100% why some are called, some are replayed, some are continued. I'm sure there is a guideline somewhere, but it never mattered to me enough to find out.

It doesn't really matter, I was wondering that was all.

It matters when the visiting team scored the lead run, had the game been tied 1-1 going into the top of the 6th and Florida scored in that inning to take the lead, Boston would have to get their last AB's in the bottom of the 6th, if the rain cause the game to be called off before the completion of the bottom of the 6th it would be a suspended game. But in that game Florida already had a lead. In the NY-Bal game, if I recall the game was tied into the top of the 7th, NY scored 3 runs in the top of the 7th, in the bottom of the 7th the game was halted because of rain. Because NY scored in that inning Balt. gets another AB so the game was suspended.

I'd also imagine that it would be a big inconvenience to bring Florida back to Boston (or vice versa, not sure who was home) for one day later in the season to play less than half a game, when there's a remedy in the rulebook to resolve the game as is. I think that same day, the Yankees and Nationals waited out a 5.5 hour rain delay to get the last game of their series in.
Whereas it's obviously difficult to reschedule an interleague game when the teams only play one series against each other, it's much easier to reschedule or resolve a game between division foes like NY and Baltimore that play 18 times a year. I get the feeling that MLB wants to finish out all games if possible and only wants to shorten games to less than 9 innings if there's no other alternative.

[SuperTrooper]

Question. Last night's Red Sox game was called after 5 1/2 (that's what I heard -- 5 1/2) innings. Florida was awarded the win. I know that is an official game, however, since the Sox were the home team and were behind, shouldn't the game been at least suspended and resumed later? What's the difference between yesterday's game and the Orioles vs. Yanks game from a couple of years ago when the game was suspended and then continued later.

I believe that it would have been called back at the end of the last COMPLETED inning. So the score at the end of 5 innings would be what counts. The top of the 6th, and the stats accrued, would not count towards the record books.

I'm not sure 100% why some are called, some are replayed, some are continued. I'm sure there is a guideline somewhere, but it never mattered to me enough to find out.

It doesn't really matter, I was wondering that was all.

It matters when the visiting team scored the lead run, had the game been tied 1-1 going into the top of the 6th and Florida scored in that inning to take the lead, Boston would have to get their last AB's in the bottom of the 6th, if the rain cause the game to be called off before the completion of the bottom of the 6th it would be a suspended game. But in that game Florida already had a lead. In the NY-Bal game, if I recall the game was tied into the top of the 7th, NY scored 3 runs in the top of the 7th, in the bottom of the 7th the game was halted because of rain. Because NY scored in that inning Balt. gets another AB so the game was suspended.

I'd also imagine that it would be a big inconvenience to bring Florida back to Boston (or vice versa, not sure who was home) for one day later in the season to play less than half a game, when there's a remedy in the rulebook to resolve the game as is. I think that same day, the Yankees and Nationals waited out a 5.5 hour rain delay to get the last game of their series in.
Whereas it's obviously difficult to reschedule an interleague game when the teams only play one series against each other, it's much easier to reschedule or resolve a game between division foes like NY and Baltimore that play 18 times a year. I get the feeling that MLB wants to finish out all games if possible and only wants to shorten games to less than 9 innings if there's no other alternative.

There were 2 other factors:

1. The rain wasn't going to let up for several hours.

2. The Marlins had to fly home to host the Yankees the next night.