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Who will win the AL Pennent?

Poll ended at October 12, 2003 4:24 pm

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You're kidding right??? :o It's totally a joke...

"I know I might look a little heavy, but trust me, that's all muscle. Feel my biceps. Go on, feel them! Rock hard, aren't they? And I didn't need any steroids or any crap like that to sculpt this body. No, sir. I built this the natural way, through old-fashioned hard work. Phil Rizzuto and me, we do Jazzercize every morning in Monument Park with Jean Afterman. Only don't use those fancy tennis shoes Jean has. We wear army boots. And when we're done with that, we do one-armed pushups and lift mayonnaise jars until our bodies ache, and we're covered in sweat.

"So all I'm saying is that Boston better not try to pull anymore crap if they know what's good for them. My hip is sore and my lumbago is acting up and my rheumatism is bad, but I'll be ready for them. This time I've got backup. Bob Sheppard."
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Matt, I thought the same but I don't think it is. Would ESPN take a cheap shot at him like this especially talking about how he was beaned in the head???? I think he is just senile. Go ahead and defend your orginization now.
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Check this article out, it's by the same guy on the Page2 -

http://www.espn.go.com/page2/s/list/wildcoaches.html

It lists a lot of the Coaches Gone Wild. Includes Lou Piniella throwing the base, Bob Knight throwing the chair, but here is my favorite one -

Fairfield coach tackles opposing player

November 1978. Fairfield (Connecticut) University led Western New England College 15-14 in the third quarter. Western New England's Jim Brown, returning a kickoff, had eluded every Fairfield defender and appeared to be on his way to a touchdown. Then, Fairfield coach Ed Hall ran out and tackled Brown at midfield. "Are you out of your mind, coach?" said Brown. "I guess I am," said Hall.


Hall, then 48, had played running back and defensive back for the University of Bridgeport in his prime, about two decades earlier. Brown was credited with an 84-yard TD run. The ref tossed Hall from the game.


"Something just happened to me," said Hall, "and the next thing I knew, the referee was standing over me and screaming at me to get out of the game. As I started walking to the rear of the bleachers, with the crowd booing me, I broke down and cried."


Even weeks later, Hall couldn't explain what happened. "I've been coaching for 22 years, and there have been many instances where opposing players have run right in front of me. But I never had a strong impulse to tackle them."
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Ain't it the truth...
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Yanks and Red Sox robbed us of what should have been classic baseball


We get what we deserve. When we allow dirty players to be sanitized and called "intense competitors," when we accept classless gestures and taunting as healthy enthusiasm, when we cheer for the barbaric, eye-for-an-eye mentality of players throwing baseballs at each other, we get what we deserve. We get embarrassments like last Saturday's Red Sox-Yankees game, which was supposed to be a classic and almost turned into a crime scene.

Sometimes there is no right, only degrees of wrong. Saturday was one of those times. Put it this way: If you were watching that game with your child, which of the Yankees or Red Sox could you have pointed to and said, "That's the way I'd like you to behave in that situation"?

It certainly couldn't have been Boston pitcher Pedro Martinez, who intentionally came at the Yanks' Karim Garcia with a pitch that was a whisker away from hitting him in the head and perhaps putting him in the hospital, or worse. Martinez is a head-hunter from way back, no matter how much his apologists try to portray him as just a hard-nosed competitor. The beanball was completely in character for him -- he was struggling, and he wanted to remind the Yankees that, at the very least, he still had the power to stick a fastball in their ears. What a prince.

Garcia would be a more sympathetic figure if he hadn't tried to take out his anger at Martinez by bowling over Red Sox second baseman Todd Walker moments later on a slide that could easily have blown out Walker's knee. By going after a player who had done nothing to deserve it, Garcia lowered himself to Martinez's level. Then there's Yankees pitcher Roger Clemens, who retaliated against the Red Sox by throwing a purpose pitch of his own at Manny Ramirez. It's true that the fastball wasn't particularly close to Ramirez, but it was at head level. Given the circumstances, it's obvious that Clemens was trying to send a message to the Red Sox and perhaps bait Ramirez. But Clemens, as is his cowardly habit, played innocent after the game, pretending that the pitch had no malicious intent. Clemens is the kid who throws spitballs when the teacher's back is turned but has his hands neatly folded by the time she turns around.

Clemens' actions led to the most absurd scene of the day, a melee in which Martinez pushed Don Zimmer, the Yankees' 72-year-old coach, to the ground. Martinez may have dealt with Zimmer unnecessarily harshly, but Zimmer gets no free pass here just because he's a senior citizen. He is, after all, more than old enough to know better. He had no business charging at Martinez like some sort of crazed rhino, and he's lucky that he only got a mouthful of dirt for his trouble. All those critics who are roasting Martinez for not simply sidestepping Zimmer should at least acknowledge that if Martinez, acting in self-defense, had met Zimmer's charge with a fist instead of a fling, the Yankees coach probably wouldn't have been laughing in the dugout a few moments later.

Zimmer will no doubt get a huge ovation at Yankee Stadium the next time the Yanks play at home, but he shouldn't. No one on either team deserves cheers for what took place at Fenway Park last Saturday. The Yanks and Red Sox robbed us of what should have been a great postseason baseball game and in its place gave us a competition with all the class of pro wrestling. Both teams should have been booed off the field, but they weren't, because we've been trained now to mistake bloodthirsty, dirty play for healthy competitiveness. We didn't get a game for the ages between two future Hall of Fame pitchers. We got what we deserved.
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RAGTOP wrote:Matt, I thought the same but I don't think it is. Would ESPN take a cheap shot at him like this especially talking about how he was beaned in the head???? I think he is just senile. Go ahead and defend your orginization now.
Dude,

C'mon!! There is no way in hell that article is real!! I really, really, reaaallllly wish that it was, but there is no way that it's legit!!

(Right...? :-? :o )
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if that article is not a spoof...the Yankees have alot more to worry about with Zimmer as a coach than I thought! :o
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if it isn't real then ESPN has sunk as low as both the Sox and Yanks. After his tearful press conference yesterday would they actual make fun of him like this? He was hit in the head and in the hospital for a long time, would they actual make light of that situation for a comical piece? I don't think they would.
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Post by TheSecretsInTheCrust »

RAGTOP wrote:if it isn't real then ESPN has sunk as low as both the Sox and Yanks. After his tearful press conference yesterday would they actual make fun of him like this? He was hit in the head and in the hospital for a long time, would they actual make light of that situation for a comical piece? I don't think they would.
ESPN has been looking up to a curb for many a year now.
No way that the Page 2 article is legit.

Here's food for thought...I know I am a NL guy and all....but if you get rid of the DH...alot of these things will go away as well. Look at Randy Johnson....we was just as much a headhunter as Pedro and Clemens while with the Mariners....put him in the NL and he suddenly quieted down. I don't think he's on PROZAC either. Somthing about facing the music that enlightens pitchers. Baseball was meant to be a 2-way sport....no 1/2 time players.
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TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:
RAGTOP wrote:if it isn't real then ESPN has sunk as low as both the Sox and Yanks. After his tearful press conference yesterday would they actual make fun of him like this? He was hit in the head and in the hospital for a long time, would they actual make light of that situation for a comical piece? I don't think they would.
ESPN has been looking up to a curb for many a year now.
No way that the Page 2 article is legit.

Here's food for thought...I know I am a NL guy and all....but if you get rid of the DH...alot of these things will go away as well. Look at Randy Johnson....we was just as much a headhunter as Pedro and Clemens while with the Mariners....put him in the NL and he suddenly quieted down. I don't think he's on PROZAC either. Somthing about facing the music that enlightens pitchers. Baseball was meant to be a 2-way sport....no 1/2 time players.
Bad example, as a Mariner, Randy Johnson was young and wild, in more ways than just pitching. Also, as a Mariner he hit 89 batters in 1836.2 innings, or one per 20.6 innings. As a Diamondback, he has hit 54 batters in 1142.6 innings, or one per 21.2 innings. Pretty close to the same.
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RAGTOP wrote:if it isn't real then ESPN has sunk as low as both the Sox and Yanks. After his tearful press conference yesterday would they actual make fun of him like this? He was hit in the head and in the hospital for a long time, would they actual make light of that situation for a comical piece? I don't think they would.
I don't know man - I think it was just parody.
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Air M'Ville Cap'n wrote:Check this article out, it's by the same guy on the Page2 -

http://www.espn.go.com/page2/s/list/wildcoaches.html

It lists a lot of the Coaches Gone Wild. Includes Lou Piniella throwing the base, Bob Knight throwing the chair, but here is my favorite one -

Fairfield coach tackles opposing player

November 1978. Fairfield (Connecticut) University led Western New England College 15-14 in the third quarter. Western New England's Jim Brown, returning a kickoff, had eluded every Fairfield defender and appeared to be on his way to a touchdown. Then, Fairfield coach Ed Hall ran out and tackled Brown at midfield. "Are you out of your mind, coach?" said Brown. "I guess I am," said Hall.


Hall, then 48, had played running back and defensive back for the University of Bridgeport in his prime, about two decades earlier. Brown was credited with an 84-yard TD run. The ref tossed Hall from the game.


"Something just happened to me," said Hall, "and the next thing I knew, the referee was standing over me and screaming at me to get out of the game. As I started walking to the rear of the bleachers, with the crowd booing me, I broke down and cried."


Even weeks later, Hall couldn't explain what happened. "I've been coaching for 22 years, and there have been many instances where opposing players have run right in front of me. But I never had a strong impulse to tackle them."
Hey, WNEC is my alma mater! And Fairfield must have been pretty bad if a WNEC player was doing that well because, er, our football team always sucked.
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TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:but if you get rid of the DH...alot of these things will go away as well.
Good point! I still don't understand why they still keep the DH?? :-? :-?
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GringoInTheGarden wrote:
Bad example, as a Mariner, Randy Johnson was young and wild, in more ways than just pitching. Also, as a Mariner he hit 89 batters in 1836.2 innings, or one per 20.6 innings. As a Diamondback, he has hit 54 batters in 1142.6 innings, or one per 21.2 innings. Pretty close to the same.
I don't think the issue is just how many batters hit - hitting batters is a part of the game. Ditching the DH would minimize guys going for a batter's head though.
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Post by st.somewhere »

Ummm... I was wondering if maybe you guys would like switch shortstops for the next 3-4 days?
Just a thought... :roll: Let me know what you think. What the hell is wrong with No-more Garciaparra??
(As in "no more hits", "no more RBI's and "no more trips to first base"). :oops:

BoSox win though. It's now the best of three... Can ya feel the excitment?? :P :wink:
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THEEEEEEEE RED SOX WIN - THEEEEEEEE RED SOX WIN 8)

After reading all this the door is wide open for me to say something rude-

but I'm not a yankee fan so I won't :lol: 8) :P :wink:
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A (female) Red Sox fan quoted on Channel 12 in Providence:

We've had season tickets for 60 years, and we NEED something before we die!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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NYCPORT wrote: Nomar Garciapopup
As much as I hate to say it, this is funny :lol:
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Post by Air M'Ville Cap'n »

WTG BoSox tonight. Great game for Wake again.

And about the DH, I would like to see it done away with. I know if I was pitching in the NL, I would think twice about hitting a guy in the head purposely. Cause if I was pitching for the team that had the player hit in the head I would definately nail the pitcher. There's always gonna be incidents in baseball, it's part of the game. Also, how cool was it back in the NLDS when Kerry Wood drove in two runs to help his own cause while pitching a hell of a game.
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OK...we are back to even...happy to see that the game was about baseball last night and not egos!
Couldn't help but be disgusted at one point when the camera showed our two poster boys...Manny and Pedro chatting with each other in the dugout...I'm so proud to call them Red Sox! :evil:
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