Thank God This ones ALMOST Over.....NASCAR Season Is Here

Sidew13 · Post by **Sidew13** » January 20, 2004 2:56 pm

Only a few more short weeks till the NASCAR season revs up. I'm glad the panthers are in the Super Bowl, but NASCAR and racing is in my blood. The speed and excitement can just blow you away. And the smell of the fuel and rubber at the local short track is an aphrodisiac is my book.

Gentleman START YOUR ENGINES

Go Ricky Craven #32

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » January 20, 2004 3:40 pm

NOW IF THEY COULD JUST LEARN TO TURN RIGHT

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » January 20, 2004 3:57 pm

tommcat327 wrote:NOW IF THEY COULD JUST LEARN TO TURN RIGHT

Sonoma and Watkins Glen

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » January 20, 2004 4:02 pm

Key Lime Lee wrote:
tommcat327 wrote:NOW IF THEY COULD JUST LEARN TO TURN RIGHT
Sonoma and Watkins Glen

THE ONLY 2 I REALLY TRY TO WATCH

Air M'Ville Cap'n · Post by **Air M'Ville Cap'n** » January 20, 2004 4:17 pm

I'm ready for some NASCAR too, but more ready for baseball

Sidew13 · Post by **Sidew13** » January 20, 2004 6:53 pm

Key Lime Lee wrote:
tommcat327 wrote:NOW IF THEY COULD JUST LEARN TO TURN RIGHT
Sonoma and Watkins Glen

Hey you beat me to it by a long shot

swordfish · Post by **swordfish** » January 20, 2004 11:15 pm

tommcat327 wrote:NOW IF THEY COULD JUST LEARN TO TURN RIGHT

They do, a couple times a year

Pencil Thin (inactive) · January 21, 2004 1:21 am

How do you think the newly announced point system is going to effect the race for the title? I think it will make it better all the way down to the end.

Sidew13 · Post by **Sidew13** » January 21, 2004 5:29 am

Pencil Thin wrote:How do you think the newly announced point system is going to effect the race for the title? I think it will make it better all the way down to the end.

I tend to agree, But Only Time Will Tell. It has got to be better than a driver wrapping up a championship with 2 or 4 races to go.

Sidew13 · Post by **Sidew13** » January 21, 2004 5:30 am

Now college football needs to take a lesson and develope a playoff system

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » January 21, 2004 7:20 am

Pencil Thin wrote:How do you think the newly announced point system is going to effect the race for the title? I think it will make it better all the way down to the end.

I'm not digging it. They're just "artificially" creating a 10-race points series and they have no problem saying they're doing it simply for TV rating. It's almost as ridiculous as the hoops they make the drivers jump through in the Winston. To make the last 10 races more important than they first 26 is disingenous to the sport (not that NASCAR has ever cared so much for the traditions of the sport as much as lining the vault of Speedway Inc.).

Certainly the points system needs revamping, but then folks have been suggesting as far back as 1985 that they need to find a way to make it worth winning a race, not stroking it into second week after week. Something akin to the F1 points system would have made more sense - Award the top 20 with points only. 30 points for a win, 20 for second, 19 for third etc. Below 20th and you don't get points.

It's amazing to me that despite nearly 20 years to create a better solution, this clusterf**k is the best they could do.

But then, that's NASCAR.

Duff · Post by **Duff** » January 21, 2004 9:33 am

I agree. After all these years that's the best these guys could come up with? The only reason they went with this system was to get people to watch the last quarter of the season. And sadly enough, they came right out and admitted it. Who cares about the integrity of the sport, as long as the dollars are rolling in. Very disheartening.

7lords · Post by **7lords** » January 21, 2004 10:43 am

I agree on the points thing too. Something needed to be done but that wasn't really it. More points for a win and bigger separation of points between places or only award points to the top 20 or so would have been better. Plus, if points only went to 20th, you wouldn't have 10 cars at the end of the race driving around missing their front end and other sheet metal just to get points.

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » January 21, 2004 11:37 am

Sidew13 wrote:Only a few more short weeks till the NASCAR season revs up. I'm glad the panthers are in the Super Bowl, but NASCAR and racing is in my blood. The speed and excitement can just blow you away. And the smell of the fuel and rubber at the local short track is an aphrodisiac is my book.

Gentleman START YOUR ENGINES

Go Ricky Craven #32

Did I ever tell you I did a "tryout" drive in a Busch car when I was like
17-18???

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » January 21, 2004 12:34 pm

What I really don't like is if somebody kicks butt all year and builds up a, say, 300 point lead - after the 26th race that lead drops to 5 points. Something just doesn't seem right there.

nycparrothead · Post by **nycparrothead** » January 21, 2004 1:45 pm

Maybe it's just my ignorance on this but here's my theory. The big issue is that consistancy is rewarded over victory. Kenseth had only 1 victory last year, but something like 17 top tens. So they are trying to make winning the race a little more reputable... So, what the hell is the point of this new system? In the old system the person who finished first only got 5 or 10 more points than the person who finished second! Why not have the winner get 50 or 80 points more than the second place guy and then spread out the rest of the points from there... Isn't that a more logical answer than this mess???

As only a casual NASCAR fan, I think it'll be cool that with 10 races to go that things become nearly even again. But I have trouble believing that any true fan of the sport would like this at all!

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » January 21, 2004 2:03 pm

Would something like this have been too difficult?:

1st place gets 58 points (43 plus 15 bonus for winning race), 2nd gets 42, and so on...up to and including 30th place - 31st and under get no points.

5 point bonus for leading a lap UNDER GREEN - none of this staying out under yellow BS. 5 more for leading most laps.

5 point bonus for starting on the pole, 2 points for outside pole.

Most points at the end of 36 races gets championship.

swordfish · Post by **swordfish** » January 21, 2004 3:56 pm

nycparrothead wrote:Maybe it's just my ignorance on this but here's my theory. The big issue is that consistancy is rewarded over victory. Kenseth had only 1 victory last year, but something like 17 top tens. So they are trying to make winning the race a little more reputable... So, what the hell is the point of this new system? In the old system the person who finished first only got 5 or 10 more points than the person who finished second! Why not have the winner get 50 or 80 points more than the second place guy and then spread out the rest of the points from there... Isn't that a more logical answer than this mess???

As only a casual NASCAR fan, I think it'll be cool that with 10 races to go that things become nearly even again. But I have trouble believing that any true fan of the sport would like this at all!

I dont think they can ever come up with a system that everyone is happy with, the only way to make it fair is to make all the cars the same, built by the same shop, like the I.R.O.C series, but what fun would that be then, one thing I would like to see, is when there is a caution with not enough laps to go to finnish under green, is to have two laps added under green, and also when a guy is out front by a half lap, I'd also like to see a mandatory caution to bunch up the field at the end and two shoot out laps, I was huge NASCAR fan, until I worked for an owner of five teams, now I dont even watch it, except for like the last 20 laps.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » January 21, 2004 4:20 pm

swordfish wrote: when a guy is out front by a half lap, I'd also like to see a mandatory caution to bunch up the field at the end and two shoot out laps

So, one driver outclasses the field, puts some daylight between himself and his competition, and you want to penalize him for it by giving the rest of the field a free pass to catch up? Hell, might as well just shorten the races to 2 laps.

swordfish · Post by **swordfish** » January 21, 2004 4:30 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
swordfish wrote: when a guy is out front by a half lap, I'd also like to see a mandatory caution to bunch up the field at the end and two shoot out laps
So, one driver outclasses the field, puts some daylight between himself and his competition, and you want to penalize him for it by giving the rest of the field a free pass to catch up? Hell, might as well just shorten the races to 2 laps.

I just think it would make it more interesting, and it's not just the driver that outclasses the field, it's his whole team, without them, he's nothing.

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