swordfish wrote:I just think it would make it more interesting, and it's not just the driver that outclasses the field, it's his whole team, without them, he's nothing.
Maybe we should apply that to other aspects of life. Let's see, you spend 20 years busting your butt for a company, when a top spot becomes available in management - a postion that you have both the seniority and skills to move into. What the hell, let's put your name in a hat along with the janitor that just started a week ago, and which ever one we pull out gets the job. Just to keep it interesting...
As for the driver/team concept, I agree completely. But it goes both ways...a top notch team isn't going anywhere without a top notch driver.
Key Lime Lee wrote:I'm not digging it. They're just "artificially" creating a 10-race points series and they have no problem saying they're doing it simply for TV rating. It's almost as ridiculous as the hoops they make the drivers jump through in the Winston. To make the last 10 races more important than they first 26 is disingenous to the sport (not that NASCAR has ever cared so much for the traditions of the sport as much as lining the vault of Speedway Inc.).It's amazing to me that despite nearly 20 years to create a better solution, this clusterf**k is the best they could do.
But then, that's NASCAR.
gee Lee, I take it your not a huge Nascar fan. BUT you are right, if it ain't excieting, it won't sell. And Nascar, television, and the sponcers all know that if it's a run-a-way, it's boring. And boring won't sell. But add a few twist and instant "magic", which means $$$$$.
Sidew13 wrote:gee Lee, I take it your not a huge Nascar fan.
If you spend any time around auto racing it's hard to be a NASCAR fan. They long ago undid the good they brought to the sport in the 1950s. In some ways it seems like they go out of there way to do everything they can to destroy stock car racing... you know, rule changes mid-season, arbitrary rulings, dragging their feet on safety issues like soft walls. Not to mention what they did to Tim Richmond and the disrespect they showed CBS and ESPN by ditching them for bigger contracts from FOX and Turner without even a "thanks" for the fact that those two networks MADE the sport what it is. NASCAR is a mean-spirited, vindictive power and money hungry machine that cares little for the drivers who risk their lives to line the France pockets.
The new rule change is just one more in a series of bad decisions.
If they're going to limit the championship chase to the top 10 or 15, then they need to limit the last 10 races to just those cars. With the new system, one DNF in the last 10 because of some car 30 laps down can take a guy who has won 26 races and eliminate him from the championship.
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ok I know there are a lot of politics that goes on. And your points are 100% correct. Where else can a person be such a big hype because of his name and sponcer, and not because he is the great(not naming names). But I still love racing. GO CRAVEN #32
Sidew13 wrote:ok I know there are a lot of politics that goes on. And your points are 100% correct. Where else can a person be such a big hype because of his name and sponcer, and not because he is the great(not naming names). But I still love racing. GO CRAVEN #32
I love it too, I hate the politics in it though, lets just bump and run here. I love the short track races, Bristol is one of my favorites, so is Martinsville, and you cannot beat Darlington, I just like the bumping.
Ain't no trigger I can trip
No switch that I can flip
Even if I wanted to
you're in my head
i watch nascar but find it a ridiculous sport these days.when one manufacturer comes out with a more aerodynamic body,all the others whine until they get to make changes to there bodies so they can keep up.if one body is faster too bad.i think they should go back t when the shape had to match a showroom car identically,even if that meant special edition cars like the fastback monte carlo in the 80's
the idea of stock car racing is long gone,not one car out there even resembles the car on the showroom floor,not in shape,size,engine size or configuration(front wheel drive) and so on.the way they keep evening things out they should just come up with one shape body,make them all use it and stop calling it stock car racing.
nascar is no more "stock" than formula 1
i'll take any other form of auto racing over nascar
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Air M'Ville Cap'n wrote:I'm ready for some NASCAR too, but more ready for baseball
Ditto here, Cap'n!
I'll be in Phoenix in March for Spring Training ball AND IndyCar racing at PIR.
To me, that's a great sports weekend.
It is less than a month til SpeedWeek in Daytona, and I AM READY!!
$#@&...only Vegas again?? Padres ...gotta start believin'!Bring on '14 Spring Training!
tommcat327 wrote:i watch nascar but find it a ridiculous sport these days.when one manufacturer comes out with a more aerodynamic body,all the others whine until they get to make changes to there bodies so they can keep up.if one body is faster too bad.i think they should go back t when the shape had to match a showroom car identically,even if that meant special edition cars like the fastback monte carlo in the 80's
the idea of stock car racing is long gone,not one car out there even resembles the car on the showroom floor,not in shape,size,engine size or configuration(front wheel drive) and so on.the way they keep evening things out they should just come up with one shape body,make them all use it and stop calling it stock car racing.
nascar is no more "stock" than formula 1
i'll take any other form of auto racing over nascar
Its called I.R.O.C
Ain't no trigger I can trip
No switch that I can flip
Even if I wanted to
you're in my head
tommcat327 wrote:i watch nascar but find it a ridiculous sport these days.when one manufacturer comes out with a more aerodynamic body,all the others whine until they get to make changes to there bodies so they can keep up.if one body is faster too bad.i think they should go back t when the shape had to match a showroom car identically,even if that meant special edition cars like the fastback monte carlo in the 80's
the idea of stock car racing is long gone,not one car out there even resembles the car on the showroom floor,not in shape,size,engine size or configuration(front wheel drive) and so on.the way they keep evening things out they should just come up with one shape body,make them all use it and stop calling it stock car racing.
nascar is no more "stock" than formula 1
i'll take any other form of auto racing over nascar
Its called I.R.O.C
anything is better.NHRA,IMSA,F1,SCCA,Indy,rally racing(one of my favorites),WSA,go carts,lawnmowers
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Actually the shape is the same, as far as the outline of the body goes. I own a 2002 Dodge Intrepid and the general body lines match the race version. and the wheel-base is very close.
I really don't get into the finite negitive details of racing. Yes there are big differences between the early days and today. Baseball, football, hockey, basketball, all sports, are a business. And a business is there to make money and succeed. Nascar is a business of enterainment. And if they see a need to make things exciting, thus making things interesting and in turn making more money, they are going to do it.
There is an ugle side to any/every thing. But sometimes you have to look past the thorns to see the roses.
Sidew13 wrote:Actually the shape is the same, as far as the outline of the body goes. I own a 2002 Dodge Intrepid and the general body lines match the race version. and the wheel-base is very close.
I really don't get into the finite negitive details of racing. Yes there are big differences between the early days and today. Baseball, football, hockey, basketball, all sports, are a business. And a business is there to make money and succeed. Nascar is a business of enterainment. And if they see a need to make things exciting, thus making things interesting and in turn making more money, they are going to do it.
There is an ugle side to any/every thing. But sometimes you have to look past the thorns to see the roses.
the roof line is the only body line that is supposed to match.and they may be allowed to vary if the teams complain enough that their body shape is too slow.
i just have no respect for the sport as it is today.most of the drivers i respect a great deal but the people in charge of nascar are the worst
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Sidew13 wrote:Actually the shape is the same, as far as the outline of the body goes. I own a 2002 Dodge Intrepid and the general body lines match the race version. and the wheel-base is very close.
I really don't get into the finite negitive details of racing. Yes there are big differences between the early days and today. Baseball, football, hockey, basketball, all sports, are a business. And a business is there to make money and succeed. Nascar is a business of enterainment. And if they see a need to make things exciting, thus making things interesting and in turn making more money, they are going to do it.
There is an ugle side to any/every thing. But sometimes you have to look past the thorns to see the roses.
the roof line is the only body line that is supposed to match.and they may be allowed to vary if the teams complain enough that their body shape is too slow.
i just have no respect for the sport as it is today.most of the drivers i respect a great deal but the people in charge of nascar are the worst
and the trunk lid matches too. yeah I know so what. And yes the ones in charge can be jackasses, but I don't watch them "go around in circles".
PLease don't take what I say as a pi$$ing match or starting a fight, just typing my $.02
Key Lime Lee wrote:
The new rule change is just one more in a series of bad decisions.
If they're going to limit the championship chase to the top 10 or 15, then they need to limit the last 10 races to just those cars. With the new system, one DNF in the last 10 because of some car 30 laps down can take a guy who has won 26 races and eliminate him from the championship.
Yep, what's to stop a guy from, let's say, the Roush team, that isn't in the championship chase from 'accidently' taking out one of the non-Roush guys who is?
Key Lime Lee wrote:
The new rule change is just one more in a series of bad decisions.
If they're going to limit the championship chase to the top 10 or 15, then they need to limit the last 10 races to just those cars. With the new system, one DNF in the last 10 because of some car 30 laps down can take a guy who has won 26 races and eliminate him from the championship.
Yep, what's to stop a guy from, let's say, the Roush team, that isn't in the championship chase from 'accidently' taking out one of the non-Roush guys who is?
that problem was addressed in 2002 with Mark Martin's teammates, who could have caused problems with Tony Stewart, BUT they didn't.
At least the IRL is finally coming around. But then again, my used to be favorite driver, Sam Hornish saw the dollar signs and is heading to stock cars. Damn.
Sidew13 wrote:and the trunk lid matches too. yeah I know so what. And yes the ones in charge can be jackasses, but I don't watch them "go around in circles".
PLease don't take what I say as a pi$$ing match or starting a fight, just typing my $.02
WHO'S FIGHTIN? I'M JUST DEBATING,THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.NO BIGGIE
ACTUALLY THE TRUNK LID IS AN EXACT PART OFF OF A REAL CAR.I THINK ITS THE ONLY ORIGINAL BODY PANEL ON A STOCK CAR,MAYBE THE HOOD TOO BUT I DONT KNOW FOR SURE
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Key Lime Lee wrote:
The new rule change is just one more in a series of bad decisions.
If they're going to limit the championship chase to the top 10 or 15, then they need to limit the last 10 races to just those cars. With the new system, one DNF in the last 10 because of some car 30 laps down can take a guy who has won 26 races and eliminate him from the championship.
Yep, what's to stop a guy from, let's say, the Roush team, that isn't in the championship chase from 'accidently' taking out one of the non-Roush guys who is?
that problem was addressed in 2002 with Mark Martin's teammates, who could have caused problems with Tony Stewart, BUT they didn't.
It wasn't addressed - they just didn't do it - doesn't mean it won't happen this time around.
