BottleofRum wrote:Just heard on a local Boston station that Yankees are close to signing Greg Maddox...... How funny is it going to be when they go a 4th year without a championship after spending $200 million dollars
Not quite as funny as going 85 years without winning a championship.
And you forgot Travis Lee!
Or spending a half of Billion dollars since 2001 and have 0 championships to show for it.
Now that is funny. What other major company could spend that much and not even be the best in the buisness
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George and the Yankees are the worst thing that ever happened to baseball..bar none. Any Yankee fan that attempts to justify these actions in the name of winning at all costs, is just as bad...
I guess I am just as bad as George. Like it or not, the Yankees are in the world's biggest stage and George knows how to take advantage of that. The revenues generated by the Yankees both through the luxury tax and the added attendance that they attract on the road helps all teams in baseball. They add more drama to the game because they raise the bar and stir the passions of fans, who either love or hate them. They keep baseball prominent.
Besides, who else can take A-Rods contract? The Yankees did not create that contract, but they can help baseball by helping to carry it.
BuPHett wrote:George and the Yankees are the worst thing that ever happened to baseball..bar none. Any Yankee fan that attempts to justify these actions in the name of winning at all costs, is just as bad...
as much as I hate the Yankees, I do disagree with you. The fact that baseball is not only the top sports story but news story in Febuary makes this good for baseball. As much as you don't want to admit it, MLB needs the Yankees probably more than any other team. Every sport needs a Goliath and the Yankees are it in baseball. Because of this trade ratings will go thru the roof, most tuning in so they can see them lose. Although you may see this as bad for the small market teams overall it is very good for baseball
Thanks for that, Ragtop.
Of course, anybody who follows baseball regularly KNOWS Bud-the-used-car-salesman is the worst thing to happen to baseball, whether they care to admit it or not.
BuPHett wrote:George and the Yankees are the worst thing that ever happened to baseball..bar none. Any Yankee fan that attempts to justify these actions in the name of winning at all costs, is just as bad...
as much as I hate the Yankees, I do disagree with you. The fact that baseball is not only the top sports story but news story in Febuary makes this good for baseball. As much as you don't want to admit it, MLB needs the Yankees probably more than any other team. Every sport needs a Goliath and the Yankees are it in baseball. Because of this trade ratings will go thru the roof, most tuning in so they can see them lose. Although you may see this as bad for the small market teams overall it is very good for baseball
I really don't care about small market, large market, ratings, agents...none of that. I think the game..the sport of baseball is being overwhelmed by the "business" of baseball..that, to me, is sad...I grew up when Aaron, Mays and Clemente made not much more $$ than I make now..they played because they loved baseball...unlike most of the superstars of today..I don't blame the Yankees, I guess...I just wish baseball wasn't like it is..based on dollars and cents..I guess as a microcosm of our society, baseball truly is "Americas Pastime"
Karin wrote:I guess I am just as bad as George. Like it or not, the Yankees are in the world's biggest stage and George knows how to take advantage of that. The revenues generated by the Yankees both through the luxury tax and the added attendance that they attract on the road helps all teams in baseball. They add more drama to the game because they raise the bar and stir the passions of fans, who either love or hate them. They keep baseball prominent.
Besides, who else can take A-Rods contract? The Yankees did not create that contract, but they can help baseball by helping to carry it.
Yeah?? So your point is what? That when the Yankees go out on the road for their 81 road games, the fans of the other teams will flock to their home parks to see the Yankees come to town?? Yeah, I’m sure they will, but what about all the other games that no one shows up for because their team(s) simply can't compete due to the fact that the NY Yankees have the luxury of being on the world's biggest stage while at the same time having an unlimited revenue stream?
Baseball has become a frigin' joke!! Luckily, my team is in one of the 3 or 4 markets that can actually compete with the Yankees spending habits. For the time being that still makes baseball fun for me, but do you honestly think that it's healthy to the longevity of the sport for the Yankees continue to conduct their business in such a manner??
Ask yourself this. Would you rather have a league like the NFL where every team has a chance to win every year or MLB where 3 or 4 teams can go outspend everyone else and look foolish doing so. I like how the NFL does things myself. Of course you JETS fans haven't won a thing in my lifetime so you will probally disagree.
People outside of NY may not be aware but no one outside NY respects the Yankees, they throw money around trying to buy a championship mush like the Marlins did in 97. As I said before I am glad the Sox didn't trade for Arod, it was foolish to give up Manny and Nomar PLUS and additional 30 million dollars. It seems that people outside of the Boston area have this impression that we are all p*** off and wondering the street talking to ourselves Not so, last time I checked Pedro, Schilling, Lowe and Wakefield are far better than what NY is putting out there. They may play on the 'biggest' stage and draw allot of fans when they travel (as does Boston) but what happens when Detroit plays Cleveland or KC plays Tampa or Toronto plays Texas? 8,000 people show up how is this good for baseball? The reason why the NFL has vaulted close to popularity as baseball is they do things right.
Did I mention I have tickets for teh 1st NY-Boston game at Fenway this season?
st.somewhere wrote:Yeah?? So your point is what? That when the Yankees go out on the road for their 81 road games, the fans of the other teams will flock to their home parks to see the Yankees come to town?? Yeah, I’m sure they will, but what about all the other games that no one shows up for because their team(s) simply can't compete due to the fact that the NY Yankees have the luxury of being on the world's biggest stage while at the same time having an unlimited revenue stream?
best point yet...
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BottleofRum wrote:People outside of NY may not be aware but no one outside NY respects the Yankees
Yeah ... right!
How many Red Sox caps do you see all over the country, or better yet ... all over the world! Yankee caps are everywhere! I guess the green of pennant envy has clouded your vision!
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I think we are forgetting that there are a number of owners that do have the extra cash to spend (I'm not talking NY money) and would rather put a lackluster team on the field and leave the extra money in their pocket. Love him or hate him George spends every dime on his team
BottleofRum wrote:People outside of NY may not be aware but no one outside NY respects the Yankees
Yeah ... right!
How many Red Sox caps do you see all over the country, or better yet ... all over the world! Yankee caps are everywhere! I guess the green of pennant envy has clouded your vision!
but how many of those people outside of NY wearing Yankees caps even watch or understand baseball. Remeber how it was chic in the early 90's to wear Oakland Raiders paraphanelia... same thing with the Yankees now. The majority of people outside the New York area despise the Yankees for what they have become.
I cannot believe anyone, outside die hard Yankee$ fans, cannot see how wrong ths trade is. Take away the Bos vs NY trying to 1-up each other. This is just bad for the game. The Yankees infield now is being paid more than 14 teams entire 40-man roster....and thats with Enrique Wilson's measly 700K. This team now has 17 all-stars on the roster . If I were an owner in the AL I would get King George where it hurts most to him. The one thing that gives the Bombers the competitive inbalance is that lofty TV deal. Well I would either charge the Yankees so much to broadcast from MY ballpark....something in line with the $$ that team likes to spend or NOT allow them to show MY ballpark on their TV's period. Now if every AL team did that.......would it be legal...yes, would it be fair....no.....just like adding A-Rod to the Yankees.
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BottleofRum wrote:People outside of NY may not be aware but no one outside NY respects the Yankees
Yeah ... right!
How many Red Sox caps do you see all over the country, or better yet ... all over the world! Yankee caps are everywhere! I guess the green of pennant envy has clouded your vision!
aaaaaactually..... I've seen almost as many Red Sox caps and shirts in far flung places in the world as I have Yankees caps and shirts. Honestly trying to make an unbiased comment, here, based on personal experience. Yes, I'm a Sox fan, but the fact is, Sox fans are just as widespread as Yankees fans, from Hawaii in the west to Bahrain in the east (the area of the world I have seen and can comment about).
The other thing I've noticed is that people who literally know nothing about baseball (in the middle east, for instance) will wear a Yankees cap because the city of New York is recognized world wide, but when I ran into someone wearing a Red Sox cap, he/she was a baseball fan. Don't yell at me, please... This is just an observation!
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I'm a Mets fan but I'll throw my 2 cents into the mix. In my opinion, the reason a lot of non-Yankees fans don't like them is not because Steinbrenner is so willing to spend money to make the team better. It's because they have so much coming in they can afford to overpay to get what they want, or to keep their own free agents. Sure, Derek Jeter is a terrific player, but even in today's baseball economy is he really worth $185 million? What about Bernie Williams? He's been the best hitter on the team the last few years but on a good day he's only an average center fielder. He's not worth $14 million/year or whatever it is they're paying him. How many teams would give an unproven player like Drew Henson a long term $14 miilion contract to play in the minor leagues? Jorge Posada gets $10 million. Why? He's not as good a hitter as Mike Piazza and except for the throwing problem Piazza might be a better catcher.
BottleofRum wrote:Ask yourself this. Would you rather have a league like the NFL where every team has a chance to win every year or MLB where 3 or 4 teams can go outspend everyone else and look foolish doing so. I like how the NFL does things myself.
AMEN!!!
Are you and I related, or something?
Oh, wait, I forget, we are..... Well said, Cuz!
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for all of those who do not think this was good for baseball, why is baseball popularity the highest it's been in recent years? Whether we like to admit it or not baseball is first and formost a business I wish it was different but I call them the way I see them.
TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:
I cannot believe anyone, outside die hard Yankee$ fans, cannot see how wrong ths trade is. Take away the Bos vs NY trying to 1-up each other. This is just bad for the game. The Yankees infield now is being paid more than 14 teams entire 40-man roster....and thats with Enrique Wilson's measly 700K. This team now has 17 all-stars on the roster . If I were an owner in the AL I would get King George where it hurts most to him. The one thing that gives the Bombers the competitive inbalance is that lofty TV deal. Well I would either charge the Yankees so much to broadcast from MY ballpark....something in line with the $$ that team likes to spend or NOT allow them to show MY ballpark on their TV's period. Now if every AL team did that.......would it be legal...yes, would it be fair....no.....just like adding A-Rod to the Yankees.
AMEN, my brotha!!!
Didn't we face this with the A's back in the '70's???
This whole situation makes the playing field unlevel...parity is good for competition and sports is all about competition.
RAGTOP wrote:for all of those who do not think this was good for baseball, why is baseball popularity the highest it's been in recent years? Whether we like to admit it or not baseball is first and formost a business
My point exactly.....Sorry Adam, but I believe that there are other reasons baseball in enjoying hugh popularity. I think the fact offense, mainly HR's, are at an all-time high, ESPN showing as many games as they do, nearly every team playing in a new ballpark and players are being put on higher pedistools than ever. Not just the Yankees being all-powerful. BUT....Baseball has survived through much worse than this. NY has been this powerful in the past with little consequence....quick name me any player of the St. Louis Browns.....so it will weather this storm too. At this point I am glad that I live in an NL city and I can watch the game without knowing the outcome before arriving.
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Not so, last time I checked Pedro, Schilling, Lowe and Wakefield are far better than what NY is putting out there. They may play on the 'biggest' stage and draw allot of fans when they travel (as does Boston) but what happens when Detroit plays Cleveland or KC plays Tampa or Toronto plays Texas? 8,000 people show up how is this good for baseball? The reason why the NFL has vaulted close to popularity as baseball is they do things right. 
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Yankee caps are everywhere! 
but I'll throw my 2 cents into the mix. In my opinion, the reason a lot of non-Yankees fans don't like them is not because Steinbrenner is so willing to spend money to make the team better. It's because they have so much coming in they can afford to overpay to get what they want, or to keep their own free agents. Sure, Derek Jeter is a terrific player, but even in today's baseball economy is he really worth $185 million? What about Bernie Williams? He's been the best hitter on the team the last few years but on a good day he's only an average center fielder. He's not worth $14 million/year or whatever it is they're paying him. How many teams would give an unproven player like Drew Henson a long term $14 miilion contract to play in the minor leagues? Jorge Posada gets $10 million. Why? He's not as good a hitter as Mike Piazza and except for the throwing problem Piazza might be a better catcher.