BottleofRum wrote:People outside of NY may not be aware but no one outside NY respects the Yankees
Yeah ... right!
How many Red Sox caps do you see all over the country, or better yet ... all over the world! Yankee caps are everywhere! I guess the green of pennant envy has clouded your vision!
but how many of those people outside of NY wearing Yankees caps even watch or understand baseball. Remeber how it was chic in the early 90's to wear Oakland Raiders paraphanelia... same thing with the Yankees now. The majority of people outside the New York area despise the Yankees for what they have become.
You can add the Chicago Bulls to that list as well, many people in the 90's would wear Bulls stuff because they were winning. As Bill Simmons wrote the Yankees have become the 1980 version of Team USSR!
I don't think baseball is as popular nation wide as others think it is. In Boston, NY, Chicago, StL, and a few other places baseball is King but I think if you took a poll of sports fans nation-wide football would be close to if not ahead of baseball and it is because of the competative-ness of football as opposed to baseball. Going into this season you can probally bet on 5-7 teams to win it all and be 95% sure you will win money. Going into next NFL season try to pick 5 teams that could win it all, your odds would be 50/50 at best at being right.
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I agree that this trade stinks. Yes, baseball is a business, but just like mega-monopolies, I choose not to support them. I'll go to a local store over a Wal Mart any day. The NFL has it figured out. Great to see new teams in the mix each year.
I have always hated the Yankees and now I will have to do what I do whenever the Lakers are on TV. TURN IT OFF. I don't want to give them my ratings. I didn't watch the World Series this year. Not because I didn't care, but because it was the Yankees.
They aren't making any money to pay their luxury taxes off me.
By the way, only two weeks until Spring Training starts!
RAGTOP wrote:for all of those who do not think this was good for baseball, why is baseball popularity the highest it's been in recent years? Whether we like to admit it or not baseball is first and formost a business
My point exactly.....Sorry Adam, but I believe that there are other reasons baseball in enjoying hugh popularity. I think the fact offense, mainly HR's, are at an all-time high, ESPN showing as many games as they do, nearly every team playing in a new ballpark and players are being put on higher pedistools than ever. Not just the Yankees being all-powerful. BUT....Baseball has survived through much worse than this. NY has been this powerful in the past with little consequence....quick name me any player of the St. Louis Browns.....so it will weather this storm too. At this point I am glad that I live in an NL city and I can watch the game without knowing the outcome before arriving.
my point wasn't that baseball's popularity was due to the Yankees, it's because of the multibillion dollar industry it has become. ESPN showing more games, building new ballparks, higher salaries all take $$$$$. The more money spent on the game will increase it's popularity and the Yanks acquiring AROD is just 1 more example of it. Hey Glen you don't really mean that last sentence you wrote? You havn't given up on the Sox yet... have you?
RAGTOP wrote:for all of those who do not think this was good for baseball, why is baseball popularity the highest it's been in recent years? Whether we like to admit it or not baseball is first and formost a business
My point exactly.....Sorry Adam, but I believe that there are other reasons baseball in enjoying hugh popularity. I think the fact offense, mainly HR's, are at an all-time high, ESPN showing as many games as they do, nearly every team playing in a new ballpark and players are being put on higher pedistools than ever. Not just the Yankees being all-powerful. BUT....Baseball has survived through much worse than this. NY has been this powerful in the past with little consequence....quick name me any player of the St. Louis Browns.....so it will weather this storm too. At this point I am glad that I live in an NL city and I can watch the game without knowing the outcome before arriving.
my point wasn't that baseball's popularity was due to the Yankees, it's because of the multibillion dollar industry it has become. ESPN showing more games, building new ballparks, higher salaries all take $$$$$. The more money spent on the game will increase it's popularity and the Yanks acquiring AROD is just 1 more example of it. Hey Glen you don't really mean that last sentence you wrote? You havn't given up on the Sox yet... have you?
Dude,
In the long term scheme of things how is this good for MLB? I'd have to guess that if I was living in KC, Detroit, Cleveland, Milawuakee, Tampa, etc... that I would probably have "0" interest in my team this year. That being due to the fact that I know that they are going be awful and that as long as the operation that is Major League Baseball is run in it's current manner they will continue to be terrible. Who wants to root for a team that's always out of it half way through the season?? Well, the said fact is that 75% of the (same old) teams in MLB
will be out of it come July.
THANK GOD WE'RE NOT ONE OF EM'!!!!
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I understand your point, however some of these teams aren't going to draw fans even if they are in a pennent race. Look at the Marlins. They were in the thick of the wild card race and still only averaged 13,000 fans in September. The Red Sox could be 20 games out with 2 weeks left in the season and they will still sell out evey game. Whether a team is competitive or not doesn't guarentee fan interest. Like I said earlier there are many owners out there who have the extra cash to spend and choose to put it in their pocket instead of on the field... why feel sorry for them????
RAGTOP wrote: The Red Sox could be 20 games out with 2 weeks left in the season and they will still sell out evey game.
That's because all the tickets are sold-out for those games before the season starts. I have gone to games in september when the Sox were out of it and even though the game was 'sold out' the place was no where near full! Having the Red Sox and NY trying to one-up each other is good for the norteast baseball fans but not good for baseball in general. Most people outside the NY/Bos bubble probally get sick and tired of ESPN and others spending so much time talking/writing each of the 19 times the Sox and NY play. Personally I like the extra coverage but if I was not a fan of either team it would be nauseating after a while.
- - “If it doesn't work out there will never be any doubt that the pleasure was worth all the pain.”
In the long term scheme of things how is this good for MLB? I'd have to guess that if I was living in KC, Detroit, Cleveland, Milawuakee, Tampa, etc... that I would probably have "0" interest in my team this year. That being due to the fact that I know that they are going be awful and that as long as the operation that is Major League Baseball is run in it's current manner they will continue to be terrible. Who wants to root for a team that's always out of it half way through the season?? Well, the said fact is that 75% of the (same old) teams in MLB
will be out of it come July.
THANK GOD WE'RE NOT ONE OF EM'!!!!
Hey the Royals were in the thick of the AL Central race until the last week of the season. But yes, they normally do s**
RAGTOP wrote:I understand your point, however some of these teams aren't going to draw fans even if they are in a pennent race. Look at the Marlins. They were in the thick of the wild card race and still only averaged 13,000 fans in September.
Well, I for one never thought that baseball belonged in Florida... I think that if anyone of the other small markets made it to the post season they would draw a crowd.
RAGTOP wrote:Like I said earlier there are many owners out there who have the extra cash to spend and choose to put it in their pocket instead of on the field... why feel sorry for them????
That's a good point, but look at from this angle. I'm sure that there are some sleazy owners that rake in the cash with no intention of ever really putting a quality product on the field, but on the other hand there has to be owners that see no point in ponying up the dough when there are other teams that have the means to outspend them at will. This is why baseball should have a salary cap.
If they were to institute a salary cap it would be even harder for the Red Sox to compete which would certainly blow, but on the other hand we wouldn't have to listen to Matt gloat anymore...
RAGTOP wrote: The Red Sox could be 20 games out with 2 weeks left in the season and they will still sell out evey game.
That's because all the tickets are sold-out for those games before the season starts. I have gone to games in september when the Sox were out of it and even though the game was 'sold out' the place was no where near full! Having the Red Sox and NY trying to one-up each other is good for the norteast baseball fans but not good for baseball in general. Most people outside the NY/Bos bubble probally get sick and tired of ESPN and others spending so much time talking/writing each of the 19 times the Sox and NY play. Personally I like the extra coverage but if I was not a fan of either team it would be nauseating after a while.
from a financial stand point it really doesn't matter whether they show up (concessions make up a small part of the revenue) or not just as long as the tix sell. Most people here know i'm a diehard Sox fan and even I get a little sick and tired of all the Sox/Yanks talk. I love it whent he Royals and the O's come to town because I can sit in my bleachers, drink my beer and not have to deal with any of hype. Just a nice relaxing day at the park.
That's a good point, but look at from this angle. I'm sure that there are some sleazy owners that rake in the cash with no intention of ever really putting a quality product on the field, but on the other hand there has to be owners that see no point in ponying up the dough when there are other teams that have the means to outspend them at will. This is why baseball should have a salary cap.
If that's the case then they are not doing there homework, if they were they would realize that that the last 2 WS champions had payrolls less than half of that of the Yankees. That is why they play the games
RAGTOP wrote:That's a good point, but look at from this angle. I'm sure that there are some sleazy owners that rake in the cash with no intention of ever really putting a quality product on the field, but on the other hand there has to be owners that see no point in ponying up the dough when there are other teams that have the means to outspend them at will. This is why baseball should have a salary cap.
If that's the case then they are not doing there homework, if they were they would realize that that the last 2 WS champions had payrolls less than half of that of the Yankees. That is why they play the games
....and the team that wins it this season will have a payroll of at least 50% of the Yankees
- - “If it doesn't work out there will never be any doubt that the pleasure was worth all the pain.”
Don't worry Adam....I will go to my grave as a Sox fan. In fact I am trying to get back to Beantown when the Padres play there in June. My last sentence was simply to express a more balanced NL over the AL. I personaly like the NL games better because they use 9 fulltime players and not 8 fulltime and 2 partimers. I've hated the DH from day one and will never like it. I am excited to see if Clemens is just as aggressive pitching inside in the NL, but watching David Wells hit will be painful and funny all at the same time. On that note I have to head off to Petco Park and make my final payment on my Padres season tickets....later all
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I knew you wouldn't jump ship Pitching wins Championships and this year the Sox have their best rotation in decades. The 2004 Yanks are going to be the equivilent of the 2003 Sox... lots of hits and runs but no championship. I can't wait for the Pads and Dodgers to come to town. I look forward to seeing you in June at Fenway!
did anybody see the press conference today? How long do we have to watch this charade of Arod and Jeter pretending to like each other? I give it 2 months or 5 Jeter errors before Arod starts squawking about Jeter playing SS instead of him. It's just a matter of time before the ego's take over
1) would any of you be upset if your company was the best paying company around and GROSSLY overpaid you to do your job? NO OF COURSE NOT!
2) Does anyone realize how much we and the rest of the country are talking about baseball and spring training hasn't even started yet?
3) Don't be mad at Steinbrenner for re-investing his own money into his team to make it a better team, when MOST owners only worry about making a profit and not a winning team.
4) Aren't the Red Sox paying:
a) curt schilling 13 million this year
b) foulke 7 million this year
c) not to mention Pedro is getting 17.5 million
d) manny ramirez 20 million?
DON"T GO TELLING ME THE SOX ARE POOR!!
Some times I feel like a propeller, spin, spin outtta control. I don't who is up on the throttle, boy I wish they would let it go....
Yankee caps are everywhere!
I guess the green of pennant envy has clouded your vision!
