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ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:nga, what is your expertise in the oil industry? frankly its kind of shady

What "expertise" do any of us have in this? I am simply asking for a logical argument rather than simply throwing out these things. You think that Bush attacked for oil? Great. Please lay out an actual argument that has some kind of substance instead of "hmmm, Iraq has alot of oil. Coincidence?" What is your reasoning behind that statement?

well lets see, besides living in a region which relies on basically 3 things, oil, seafood, and sugar, i'd say its all around me. besides that, my family owns between them over 20 businesses in the oil field.

How does that back up your statement? We all need oil for whatever reason.

because its something im pretty knowlegeable in. halliburton can make a billion dollars in no time

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:the whole reason for bush going to war was weapons of mass destruction. bush went to congress and said "iraq has WMD and we need to go to war"

now that they cant find these weapons, bush is trying to come up with alternative reasoning for going to war, basically to justify it. its gone from "he has WMD and supports al quada," but its turned into "he was a bad guy, and we had to take him out since we didnt finish the job 10 years ago. oh yea, were gonna made a boatload of $$ off of this too"

I actually agree with you that Bush could have done a better job of laying out his reasons. WMD was and is a very important part of that argument. However, they should have also put much more emphasis on the human rights side of things in the beginning. That was the entire reason for Clinton sending troops into eastern Europe and everyone cheered. Why aren't people at least happy Saddam is gone after what he did to his own people and the people of Iran and Kuwait? Thousands, if not millions, more people died at the hand of Saddam than Milosovich. Why is it such an awful thing for us to remove Saddam but not Milosovich?

but the whole reason we went into this war was because a) iraq had WMD, and 2) they were behind 9/11. now, the reasoning is "saddamn was mean to his people." congress was very mislead

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:nga, what is your expertise in the oil industry? frankly its kind of shady

What "expertise" do any of us have in this? I am simply asking for a logical argument rather than simply throwing out these things. You think that Bush attacked for oil? Great. Please lay out an actual argument that has some kind of substance instead of "hmmm, Iraq has alot of oil. Coincidence?" What is your reasoning behind that statement?

well lets see, besides living in a region which relies on basically 3 things, oil, seafood, and sugar, i'd say its all around me. besides that, my family owns between them over 20 businesses in the oil field.

How does that back up your statement? We all need oil for whatever reason.

because its something im pretty knowlegeable in. halliburton can make a billion dollars in no time

Then share your knowledge, lay it all out and explain how this leads you to believe that President of the United States specifically conquered a country for it's oil. Yes, Halliburton can make millions off this but they were making billions off the US government before the war (though not as many billions).

Listen, I am open to hearing your side of it but that's the problem. I'm not hearing anything from your side other than that the oil is there and we went after it because your family is in the oil business and you know about it. Does your family have a direct line to the president about this? Is any of your family involved with Halliburton somehow? Great. Talk about it. That's all I'm saying.

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:nga, what is your expertise in the oil industry? frankly its kind of shady

What "expertise" do any of us have in this? I am simply asking for a logical argument rather than simply throwing out these things. You think that Bush attacked for oil? Great. Please lay out an actual argument that has some kind of substance instead of "hmmm, Iraq has alot of oil. Coincidence?" What is your reasoning behind that statement?

well lets see, besides living in a region which relies on basically 3 things, oil, seafood, and sugar, i'd say its all around me. besides that, my family owns between them over 20 businesses in the oil field.

How does that back up your statement? We all need oil for whatever reason.

because its something im pretty knowlegeable in. halliburton can make a billion dollars in no time

Then share your knowledge, lay it all out and explain how this leads you to believe that President of the United States specifically conquered a country for it's oil. Yes, Halliburton can make millions off this but they were making billions off the US government before the war (though not as many billions).

Listen, I am open to hearing your side of it but that's the problem. I'm not hearing anything from your side other than that the oil is there and we went after it because your family is in the oil business and you know about it. Does your family have a direct line to the president about this? Is any of your family involved with Halliburton somehow? Great. Talk about it. That's all I'm saying.

i cant lay out a complete road map for you, that would take all day. but i will tell you that yes, my family has ties with president george bush sr.

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:the whole reason for bush going to war was weapons of mass destruction. bush went to congress and said "iraq has WMD and we need to go to war"

now that they cant find these weapons, bush is trying to come up with alternative reasoning for going to war, basically to justify it. its gone from "he has WMD and supports al quada," but its turned into "he was a bad guy, and we had to take him out since we didnt finish the job 10 years ago. oh yea, were gonna made a boatload of $$ off of this too"

I actually agree with you that Bush could have done a better job of laying out his reasons. WMD was and is a very important part of that argument. However, they should have also put much more emphasis on the human rights side of things in the beginning. That was the entire reason for Clinton sending troops into eastern Europe and everyone cheered. Why aren't people at least happy Saddam is gone after what he did to his own people and the people of Iran and Kuwait? Thousands, if not millions, more people died at the hand of Saddam than Milosovich. Why is it such an awful thing for us to remove Saddam but not Milosovich?

but the whole reason we went into this war was because a) iraq had WMD, and 2) they were behind 9/11. now, the reasoning is "saddamn was mean to his people." congress was very mislead

Don't misconstrue what I'm saying. I still believe that the WMD is out there to be found. I still believe that we will find hard evidence of relations with al-Qaida. It takes time. Saddam had plenty of warning before we crossed into Iraq to hide/destroy what he had. I'm simply asking why Bush is so awful and we were so misled when so much good is coming about over there. It is nowhere near perfect, yet Libya has given up it's WMD program specifically because we no longer tolerated Saddam, Iraq is days away from signing a constitution for the first time in history, Iran and Syria are having to watch every step they take, Afghanistan is slowly going in the right direction. How is this so awful?

Thanks for the lively debate, but I have must get to sleep. 'Till next time.

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:

ngaparrothead wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:

ngaparrothead wrote: What "expertise" do any of us have in this? I am simply asking for a logical argument rather than simply throwing out these things. You think that Bush attacked for oil? Great. Please lay out an actual argument that has some kind of substance instead of "hmmm, Iraq has alot of oil. Coincidence?" What is your reasoning behind that statement?

well lets see, besides living in a region which relies on basically 3 things, oil, seafood, and sugar, i'd say its all around me. besides that, my family owns between them over 20 businesses in the oil field.

How does that back up your statement? We all need oil for whatever reason.

because its something im pretty knowlegeable in. halliburton can make a billion dollars in no time

Then share your knowledge, lay it all out and explain how this leads you to believe that President of the United States specifically conquered a country for it's oil. Yes, Halliburton can make millions off this but they were making billions off the US government before the war (though not as many billions).

Listen, I am open to hearing your side of it but that's the problem. I'm not hearing anything from your side other than that the oil is there and we went after it because your family is in the oil business and you know about it. Does your family have a direct line to the president about this? Is any of your family involved with Halliburton somehow? Great. Talk about it. That's all I'm saying.

i cant lay out a complete road map for you, that would take all day. but i will tell you that yes, my family has ties with president george bush sr.

Okay, I'll say this and then I've really got to go.

So don't lay out the whole map, just give me some mapquest directions. If you are so convinced of Bush's deception and have such great connections to Bush Sr. that he's willing to even hint about it to your family, what's the gist of it? Explain your position.

what is awful is that we only invade the countries with terrible dictators when it will benifit us. again, why are we not invading china??

my main beef with bush and the rest of the republican party. reagan, bush sr. and bush jr. - all economical disasters. we went from a budget surplus during the clinton administration to a 500+ billion dollar deficit thanks to bush jr.

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:my main beef with bush and the rest of the republican party. reagan, bush sr. and bush jr. - all economical disasters. we went from a budget surplus during the clinton administration to a 500+ billion dollar deficit thanks to bush jr.

I so agree, The day Douche Jr. took "Control" it was almost as it was his plan from the beginning to take this countries economic system straight to the 10th level of hell. His idea of economic recovery is tax breaks. Sure they are somewhat of a short term solution, but it's also alot more revitalizing if you give the breaks to the right people. I think the guy is a Pirate and was a bad idea to bgin with. He has the grammar skills of a elementary school child.Example.
" I know full well that Bin Laden and his cronies would like to harm America again. Bin Laden and his cronies would like to harm aour allies. How do I know that? I recieve intelligence reports on a daily basis that um, that um, that indicates that that's his desires"

That's all folks.

VOTE QUIMBY!!!

Lastplaneout wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:my main beef with bush and the rest of the republican party. reagan, bush sr. and bush jr. - all economical disasters. we went from a budget surplus during the clinton administration to a 500+ billion dollar deficit thanks to bush jr.

I so agree, The day Douche Jr. took "Control" it was almost as it was his plan from the beginning to take this countries economic system straight to the 10th level of hell. His idea of economic recovery is tax breaks. Sure they are somewhat of a short term solution, but it's also alot more revitalizing if you give the breaks to the right people. I think the guy is a Pirate and was a bad idea to bgin with. He has the grammar skills of a elementary school child.Example.
" I know full well that Bin Laden and his cronies would like to harm America again. Bin Laden and his cronies would like to harm aour allies. How do I know that? I recieve intelligence reports on a daily basis that um, that um, that indicates that that's his desires"

That's all folks.

YOU FORGOT THE DUH! GOD HELP US ALL IF THIS LUNATIC GETS ANOTHER 4 YEARS. WHERES O.J. WHEN YOU NEED HIM!

case wrote: I just dont understand the point in trying to make this pres who has done some great things into some kind of idiot.... i guess if you cant beat the guy on issues they try to make him apear stupid. I dont think the American public can be fooled that easily.

This is our leader:
"A surplus means there'll be more money left over. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called a surplus" - Kalamazoo, Michigan, 10/27/2000

"If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it" - St. Louis Mo, 10/10/2000

"More and more of our imports are coming from overseas" - On NPR's Morning Edition 9/26

I think our case is over! I just have one question. If Al Gore was the President, and he tried to use footage of the 9/11 attacks in a campaign commercial, would the right wingers be up in arms?

All I want to say, is that I am proud to live in a country where we can all say whatever we feel like saying. Hey, if you're for Bush, that's cool, you have that right. If you're for Kerry, that's great too. As someone who works in politics I want to remind everyone that opinions are great, and as Americans it is our right to have them. It is also our right, if not our duty, to question our leaders and choose to reelect them or not. We all saw how close the race was last time, and no matter which side you were on it's clear that every vote really does count (especially in Florida - sorry, couldn't help myself), and no matter where you fall in the political spectrum, your opinion doesn't matter unless you do something about it. VOTE!

Oh, yeah. If you really feel the need to resort to calling someone a name, or accusing them of some misdeed, please check your facts first. Don't repeat what your party says just because it sounds good, find out what really happened. As tempting as it is to follow suit and join in the fray, it is always more admirable to abstain and speak the truth.

captainjoe wrote:

case wrote: I just dont understand the point in trying to make this pres who has done some great things into some kind of idiot.... i guess if you cant beat the guy on issues they try to make him apear stupid. I dont think the American public can be fooled that easily.

This is our leader:
"A surplus means there'll be more money left over. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called a surplus" - Kalamazoo, Michigan, 10/27/2000

"If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it" - St. Louis Mo, 10/10/2000

"More and more of our imports are coming from overseas" - On NPR's Morning Edition 9/26

I think our case is over! I just have one question. If Al Gore was the President, and he tried to use footage of the 9/11 attacks in a campaign commercial, would the right wingers be up in arms?

OH no! he made some speech errors! get him out of office!

prthd4353 wrote:

captainjoe wrote:

case wrote: I just dont understand the point in trying to make this pres who has done some great things into some kind of idiot.... i guess if you cant beat the guy on issues they try to make him apear stupid. I dont think the American public can be fooled that easily.

This is our leader:
"A surplus means there'll be more money left over. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called a surplus" - Kalamazoo, Michigan, 10/27/2000

"If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it" - St. Louis Mo, 10/10/2000

"More and more of our imports are coming from overseas" - On NPR's Morning Edition 9/26

I think our case is over! I just have one question. If Al Gore was the President, and he tried to use footage of the 9/11 attacks in a campaign commercial, would the right wingers be up in arms?

OH no! he made some speech errors! get him out of office!

Clinton was a smart man who did stupid things. Bush is a stupid person who does "stupid" things! " IF IT WALKS LIKE AN IDIOT AND TALKS LIKE AN IDIOT AND LOOKS LIKE AN IDIOT...............GEE, IT MUST BE OUR GREAT LEADER!"

crawfish wrote:Clinton was a smart man who did stupid things. Bush is a stupid person who does "stupid" things! " IF IT WALKS LIKE AN IDIOT AND TALKS LIKE AN IDIOT AND LOOKS LIKE AN IDIOT...............GEE, IT MUST BE OUR GREAT LEADER!"

prthd4353 wrote:

captainjoe wrote:

case wrote: I just dont understand the point in trying to make this pres who has done some great things into some kind of idiot.... i guess if you cant beat the guy on issues they try to make him apear stupid. I dont think the American public can be fooled that easily.

This is our leader:
"A surplus means there'll be more money left over. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called a surplus" - Kalamazoo, Michigan, 10/27/2000

"If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it" - St. Louis Mo, 10/10/2000

"More and more of our imports are coming from overseas" - On NPR's Morning Edition 9/26

I think our case is over! I just have one question. If Al Gore was the President, and he tried to use footage of the 9/11 attacks in a campaign commercial, would the right wingers be up in arms?

OH no! he made some speech errors! get him out of office!

EDITED DUE TO MISGUIDED INFORMATION BY 12 LB. NESTLE CRUNCH. THANK YOU AND HAVE A NICE DAY

12 Lb,

I hope you realize that the I.Q. levels listed for the presidents are false.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm

Hoosier PH wrote:12 Lb,

I hope you realize that the I.Q. levels listed for the presidents are false.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm

lol yeah i read that right after i posted. but its common knowledge that george w. is under 120, while clinton is over 170. and the SAT numbers are accurate

and just for kicks and giggles, heres a web page for republicans who support clinton/gore
http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/repub.htm

heres a good article on republicans who support anyone but Bush
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/p ... 4106.shtml

I believe that the title of this thread, starts with FUN.... so to lighten the subject a little, a very close friend of mine which
so happens to be African American,
(and a NON Parrothead) sent me these two pictures...
entitled, "Bush after the Black Vote."
BTW... I am 100% BUSH 2004 !!!!

Which brings up another question.... come to think of it... are there any black parrotheads?????