Why not lower ticket limits?

gworm · Post by **gworm** » March 24, 2004 10:59 pm

With shows that instantly sell out year after year like Camden- why do you think they don't do lower ticket limits? That would make it take longer to sell out and more people could get tickets. It would also discourage scalping as people would only buy tickets for themselves. If you are not willing to wake up and get on the internet or phones then you miss out. Now some people get 16 tickets while others get none. I would like it if everyone could just get two. You can still all sit together on the GA lawn and then the seats would be just for small groups or couples- discouraging a large, just came to party crowd. Any ideas?

zanth · Post by **zanth** » March 24, 2004 11:01 pm

gworm wrote:You can still all sit together on the GA lawn and then the seats would be just for small groups or couples- discouraging a large, just came to party crowd. Any ideas?

There are a lot of dedicated PH's who phlock together (and party too).

gworm · Post by **gworm** » March 24, 2004 11:07 pm

you can still go in large groups- it would just be mean more people would have to work to get there tickets- and that more people would end up with tickets. It would only restrict large groups from sitting together in the pavilion. Its next to impossible to get six or eight tickets together in the pavilion anyway. I think the benefit of fewer people getting shut out and fewer scalpers buying in bulk would far outweigh any negatives.

gworm · Post by **gworm** » March 24, 2004 11:08 pm

and you know what I mean by the "just came to party" crowd- nothing wrong with them but if you don't care about the music- stay on the lawn!

captainjoe · Post by **captainjoe** » March 24, 2004 11:15 pm

I believe that we have beaten this horse enough. No amount of bitching will make ticketmaster change THEIR policy. You do what you have to do to get tickets. PEROID!

gworm · Post by **gworm** » March 24, 2004 11:25 pm

the ticket limits are set by the band, not ticketmaster.

gworm · Post by **gworm** » March 24, 2004 11:27 pm

not bitching- just asking if you all had any idea as to why the ticket limits are usually so high.

Jones Beach did have a four ticket limit in 2002 now that I think about it. Riverbend was also a 4 ticket limit this year. Why not Camden?

big hat carmen · Post by **big hat carmen** » March 25, 2004 8:38 am

Riverbend was also a 4 ticket limit this year. Why not Camden?[/quote]

The Riverbend limit was 4 lawn and 4 pavillion, total 8 tickets.

Lowering ticket limits will just increase the number of people needed to get a groups tickets and increase the number of people on-line and further screw up Ticket Monster's antiquated system. So I'm not sure how that helps anybody.

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » March 25, 2004 8:59 am

gworm wrote:With shows that instantly sell out year after year like Camden- why do you think they don't do lower ticket limits?

It won't work. Scalpers get their tickets from season ticket holders and obvioulsy other sources. Possibly even Ticketmaster themselves, the venue, promotor and who knows. By lowering tickets to lets say 4 per person what will it accomplish. Position #4 in line getting tickets instead of #3? And all you have done is cut out some other parrothead from getting tickets. I have said it before and will again. Our group was 9 this year. Every one of those 9 stood in line, was on the internet, on the phone or a multiple of the above. We only got the max of 8 as one person drew first in line and we are sitting in uncovered seating in the back of Lakewood in Atlanta. I luckily ran home and was able to get ONE more online. So those 9 tickets went right in the hands of 9 people that deserved them. If the limit had only been 4. All it would have done was forced us to go to scalpers for 5 more. So the limit really accomplishes nothing but padding the pockets of the scalpers even more.

captainjoe wrote:I believe that we have beaten this horse enough. No amount of bitching will make ticketmaster change THEIR policy. You do what you have to do to get tickets. PEROID!

AND WOW DO I AGREE WITH THIS!!!! As I said in another post and pretty much here. If we had not gotten the 9 tickets we needed we wouldn't be on here whinning about it we would be out finding tickets and probably paying more.

AlbatrossFlyer · Post by **AlbatrossFlyer** » March 25, 2004 9:09 am

the real issue is the number of tickets heldback by the performers. right now it runs between 25% - 30% of the best seats. They're held back for the band, family, friends, staff, and mostly for the tour sponsors. a few years ago i was at a party a couple of weeks before jimmy's show and the owner of the local corona distributorwas there, he told me they got 4000 of the 6000 seats for the phoenix show.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » March 25, 2004 9:10 am

gworm wrote:if you don't care about the music- stay on the lawn!

Most of us on the lawn do care about the music, and it's an insult to imply otherwise. As a matter of fact, most of the corporate pukes that get comp. tickets - the ones that can't sing along and yell at folks around them for standing up - are in the reserved seating.

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » March 25, 2004 9:17 am

rednekkPH wrote:
gworm wrote:if you don't care about the music- stay on the lawn!
Most of us on the lawn do care about the music, and it's an insult to imply otherwise. As a matter of fact, most of the corporate pukes that get comp. tickets - the ones that can't sing along and yell at folks around them for standing up - are in the reserved seating.

Gworm.. that was a rude comment. And RednekkPH you are right. Comp tickets get reserved seats, don't know the words, b**** at us for standing up and dancing and singing when we are LUCKY enough to pay for and get a good reserved seat!

Blonde Stranger · Post by **Blonde Stranger** » March 25, 2004 9:26 am

rednekkPH wrote:
gworm wrote:if you don't care about the music- stay on the lawn!
Most of us on the lawn do care about the music, and it's an insult to imply otherwise. As a matter of fact, most of the corporate pukes that get comp. tickets - the ones that can't sing along and yell at folks around them for standing up - are in the reserved seating.

Amen, rednekk, amen. That was my exact experience the one and only time I got pavilion seating. I was the only one dancing and the only one singing at the top of my lungs.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » March 25, 2004 9:35 am

gworm wrote:the ticket limits are set by the band, not ticketmaster.

Usually set by the promoter....

kurt · Post by **kurt** » March 25, 2004 9:36 am

Not that I am too cynical on this issue but I don't think anyone in the music business cares about egalitarian issue of tickets. It's is a business to them - from the artist on down to the scalper or even crummier yet, the PHan who puts them on Ebay... man this IS cynical!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

DRAKATTACK · Post by **DRAKATTACK** » March 25, 2004 11:00 am

It is pretty simple a lesser number of transactions = grater profit, everyone pays the same shipping charge 1 ticket or 8. The time it takes to do up to 8 transactions is not worth the time and effort and just jams up the TM machine more. If you can get it donw with one transaction why do more? and if you pay 8 you only get one shipping charge if you buy 4 pair/8 tickets you pay 4 times the shipping charge.

gworm · Post by **gworm** » March 25, 2004 11:27 am

[quote="12vmanRick"][quote="rednekkPH"][quote="gworm"]if you don't care about the music- stay on the lawn![/quote]

Most of us on the lawn do care about the music, and it's an insult to imply otherwise. As a matter of fact, most of the corporate pukes that get comp. tickets - the ones that can't sing along and yell at folks around them for standing up - are in the reserved seating.[/quote]

Gworm.. that was a rude comment. And RednekkPH you are right. Comp tickets get reserved seats, don't know the words, b**** at us for standing up and dancing and singing when we are LUCKY enough to pay for and get a good reserved seat![/quote]

OK- I think I was misunderstood. I certainly was not implying that everyone who sits on the lawn doesn't care about the music because that is certainly not the case. I was thinking that it would be nice if the better seats were more for the fans who would sacrifice sitting with a larger group in exchange for getting to be up close. A low ticket limit would make that happen (although you still have the corporate tickets issue..)

If the ticket limits were cut in half, it would take twice as long for a show to sell out (assuming the majority of people order the max number of tickets). That would give more of a window of oppurtunity for people to try and get through to ticketmaster. I understand that it would make the service charges increase and more people would have to be involved with trying to get their tickets- but I think that is preferable to getting shut out if you can't get through for one reason or another in the first four-five minutes.

nycparrothead · Post by **nycparrothead** » March 25, 2004 12:05 pm

I just noticed something....

I was looking up Dave Matthews on TM and noticed that every single one of his concerts go on sale on Saturday.. there's like 40 different shows all going on sale at the same time... Now on the down side I'm sure this is gonna overwhelm TM and make wait times very long.... But in another way, isn't this going to make it a hell of a lot harder for the brokers? They are going to have so many shows to cover that they aren't going to be able to get as many tickets to each show I wouldn't think. By all the shows going on sale at the same time it seems that the fans for each particular venue will have fewer people battling them for tickets! This (along with presales to his fanclub, the warehouse) seems to show that DMB is at least TRYING to limit scalpers! BRAVO DAVE!!!! Maybe Dave should give Jimmy a call......

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » March 25, 2004 12:34 pm

nycparrothead wrote:I just noticed something....

I was looking up Dave Matthews on TM and noticed that every single one of his concerts go on sale on Saturday.. there's like 40 different shows all going on sale at the same time... Now on the down side I'm sure this is gonna overwhelm TM and make wait times very long.... But in another way, isn't this going to make it a hell of a lot harder for the brokers? They are going to have so many shows to cover that they aren't going to be able to get as many tickets to each show I wouldn't think. By all the shows going on sale at the same time it seems that the fans for each particular venue will have fewer people battling them for tickets! This (along with presales to his fanclub, the warehouse) seems to show that DMB is at least TRYING to limit scalpers! BRAVO DAVE!!!! Maybe Dave should give Jimmy a call......

not necessarily. They'll just pay some homeless people extra money to stand in line and buy more tix

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » March 25, 2004 12:41 pm

Gworm I understand what you mean by sitting togther. Yes we got reserved but that was because lawn sold out first and remember I said we were first in line! And since we got 9 tickets obviously someone isn't with us. We considered breaking it up into 2's or 4's on the purchase but were afraid we wouldn't even get close to getting everyone in. Like I said, we had 9 that were trying and only 2 of us got anything at all! If they limited to 4 then 5 of us wouldn't have gotten anything since noone else even drew in line above 20th.

There just really is not a solution and the irritation is at Ticketmaster with the way they handle it and the scalpers having thousands of tickets.

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