Name this country!

nycparrothead · Post by **nycparrothead** » May 18, 2004 6:46 pm

This should get everyone riled up!

CAN YOU NAME THIS COUNTRY?

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT.

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON
232 MISSILES.

500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.

IS THIS COUNTRY :

RUSSIA ? NO

CHINA ? NO

GREAT BRITAIN ? NO

FRANCE ? WRONG AGAIN

MUST BE USA ? STILL WRONG (SORT OF)

GIVE UP ?

THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.

Bob Roberts · Post by **Bob Roberts** » May 18, 2004 9:52 pm

Here is a link to a list of the 898 people that have died over oil under the Bush administration.

http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Details.aspx

Fins in Low Places · Post by **Fins in Low Places** » May 18, 2004 9:58 pm

A couple of points. In 2001, Bu$h proposed the closing of military bases in an attempt to save money to modernize the military, which is exactly what Clinton did. I also find it odd that this appeared in a Dec. 2003 story in USA Today, "Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld strongly opposes increasing the size of the military on the grounds that the services are not efficiently using the personnel they already have, and increasing the number of troops is enormously expensive." You would have thought that had Clinton ravaged our forces as the right wing has claimed, that Bu$h would answered with an increase.

Teknowaffle · Post by **Teknowaffle** » May 18, 2004 10:16 pm

Bob Roberts wrote:Here is a link to a list of the 898 people that have died over oil under the Bush administration.

Ok Mr. Anti War, if the war was over oil, why are prices over 2.50 a gallon. Seems to me that if we were trying to get thier oil, it would be cheap. We would be bathing in oil. Think before you insult our country.

Fins in Low Places · Post by **Fins in Low Places** » May 18, 2004 10:19 pm

It certainly wasn't a part of the "war on terror".

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » May 18, 2004 10:20 pm

Numbers posted on the internet are fun, but of little value. What would be more interesting are numbers attributed to facts and/or those numbers in context.

I mean, I'd be curious to see (assuming SOME of those numbers border on truthful) how many of the reductions were as a result of anti-ICBM treaties, military consolidation, and post-cold-war reductions. An interesting comparison would also be a comprehensive list of personel cuts, weapons program eliminations and funding cuts under Reagan and Bush I, since the years immediately following the Cold War saw a massive reduction in the military supported not by the Dems but by folks like (gasp!) Cheney.

I searched for the fun of it and while I find that passage all over the net, not once is it annotated to allow you to actually see the data. Makes me suspect when NO ONE has a source. It also makes me concerned that people in this country are so uncuroius that they believe every thing they get emailed.

But then, Bill Gates is going to send me $50 if I forward this post to all my friends....

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » May 18, 2004 10:22 pm

Key Lime Lee wrote:Numbers posted on the internet are fun, but of little value. What would be more interesting are numbers attributed to facts and/or those numbers in context.

I'm not attacking you, but I hardly find the amounts of dead soldiers to be "fun." Maybe that's just me.

nycparrothead · Post by **nycparrothead** » May 18, 2004 10:23 pm

I agree and disagree with everyone! I hate talking about this crap and don't know enough about it to put up a valid argument either way. I just love gettin' ya'll worked up!

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » May 18, 2004 10:24 pm

Ilph wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:Numbers posted on the internet are fun, but of little value. What would be more interesting are numbers attributed to facts and/or those numbers in context.
I'm not attacking you, but I hardly find the amounts of dead soldiers to be "fun." Maybe that's just me.

I'm referring to the numbers in the original post.

sailingagain · Post by **sailingagain** » May 18, 2004 10:29 pm

Somehow I knew Lee was going to post on this thread!!!

nycparrothead · Post by **nycparrothead** » May 18, 2004 10:47 pm

sailingagain wrote:Somehow I knew Lee was going to post on this thread!!!

Hehehehe... He was my inspiration for creating it!

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » May 18, 2004 10:58 pm

nycparrothead wrote:
sailingagain wrote:Somehow I knew Lee was going to post on this thread!!!
Hehehehe... He was my inspiration for creating it!

Nice.

creeky · Post by **creeky** » May 19, 2004 3:39 am

I knew for sure when I saw the "aircraft carriers" that counted out Australia ...

odd as it may sound, and for a country with the coastline we have, we do not have a single aircraft carrier in our Naval Fleet

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » May 19, 2004 3:58 am

Jenny:
Whatever happened to the H.M.A.S. Melbourne?
Or am I just OLD?

creeky · Post by **creeky** » May 19, 2004 4:40 am

Wino you know wrote:Jenny:
Whatever happened to the H.M.A.S. Melbourne?
Or am I just OLD?

It got de-commissioned in approx 1980 - 1981.

My brother was in service on it and the family was invited out for the last voyage.

So, my parents, my sister and myself, all went to sydney for the day and out on the Melbourne. We had a great day!! coming back in through the Sydney Heads on the main deck of the Melbourne was just AWESOME!!!

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » May 19, 2004 5:16 am

So I AM old!

But this should bring back some memories.
(Is THIS what Jimmy had in mind when he sang "Treat Her Like A Lady?")

creeky · Post by **creeky** » May 19, 2004 5:39 am

I was actually sitting on the front of the ship, legs dangling over the edge as we sailed back in to Sydney ...

as a 17-18yo, not sure what scenery I liked best - that on the ship or the Harbour

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » May 19, 2004 5:45 am

Well, when I sailed into Sydney Harbour in 1978 aboard the U.S.S. Oklahoma City as a SINGLE 26 year old, I remember not only the trip into the harbour as being beautiful, but the ~VERY~ beautiful sights I saw when I got off the ship as well.

Yes, MA'AM, I had one of the greatest times of my life! Many thanks to your fellow countrymen AND WOMEN!
but DAMN, I wish I would have stayed away from King's Cross

creeky · Post by **creeky** » May 19, 2004 6:48 am

Wino you know wrote:Well, when I sailed into Sydney Harbour in 1978 aboard the U.S.S. Oklahoma City as a SINGLE 26 year old, I remember not only the trip into the harbour as being beautiful, but the ~VERY~ beautiful sights I saw when I got off the ship as well.

Yes, MA'AM, I had one of the greatest times of my life! Many thanks to your fellow countrymen AND WOMEN!
but DAMN, I wish I would have stayed away from King's Cross

I was only 14 then

I think around that time, some US navy ships came in to Newcastle Harbour, and my family hosted some of them for Christmas dinner .... I remember being devastated when they had to leave, as I had the BIGGEST crush on them

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » May 19, 2004 7:34 am

And WE had the biggest crush on you ladies, Jenny.
I was there in MAY of 1978, so I wouldn't have been one of those young rakes you had over for dinner. However, in every port I visited (Sydney/Newcastle, Adelaide, Hobart, Melbourne, and Perth/Fremantle), they were ALL so gracious and hospitable to all of us, and did everything but adopt us. It may sound trivial to read about it in type, but when you have hundreds of people throwing their arms around you and welcoming you into their homes, practically GIVING you their homes, it's not something you soon forget.
How can I forget ANYPLACE where I'm at for a total of 32 days, and spend a grand total of $37.00?
Believe me, Jenny-I think about those days EVERY DAY!
To you, your countrymen AND WOMEN-THANK YOU!
and on the eighth day, God created the people of Australia