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Posted: July 8, 2004 2:26 pm
by Jahfin
As influential as Frank Sinatra may have been in helping create what we now know as "popular music" I picked Elvis Presley because he was the vehicle that changed everything. I say vehicle because that's exactly what he was, it took putting a white face on what was formerly known as "race music" to make it as successful and accepted by the masses as it was. In accounting for his influence I also include not only the variety of music he covered but also how Colonel Tom Parker handled his career. The Beatles simply would not exist if not for Elvis Presley. A quick glance at their early records and the songs they covered will quickly reveal just how profound an influence Elvis and other rockabilly stars of the day such as Carl Perkins and Jerry Lee Lewis had on them.
Posted: July 8, 2004 3:13 pm
by DeactiveCarib
Jahfin wrote:As influential as Frank Sinatra may have been in helping create what we now know as "popular music" I picked Elvis Presley because he was the vehicle that changed everything. I say vehicle because that's exactly what he was, it took putting a white face on what was formerly known as "race music" to make it as successful and accepted by the masses as it was. In accounting for his influence I also include not only the variety of music he covered but also how Colonel Tom Parker handled his career. The Beatles simply would not exist if not for Elvis Presley. A quick glance at their early records and the songs they covered will quickly reveal just how profound an influence Elvis and other rockabilly stars of the day such as Carl Perkins and Jerry Lee Lewis had on them.
Good points Jahfin, i agree with you
Posted: July 8, 2004 4:14 pm
by The Lost Manatee
I had to pick Elvis given that all of the Beatles gave him credit as being a major influence on them. Since they felt he had a greater influence over music then they did, who am I to argue.
Posted: July 8, 2004 4:27 pm
by 12vmanRick
I was trying to find out who was the country music artist with the most #1's after seeing that Alabama had 41 #1's. I accidentally stumbled across this link
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/ind ... id=38&pg=1
Look how many things in which the Beatles hold records
Posted: July 8, 2004 4:29 pm
by land_shark3
ragtopW wrote:land_shark3 wrote:I went with Elvis b/c he helped bring both Soul and Rock to the mainstream.
thanks that was better said than my black-white thing.
but you said what I also meant
Just no Elvis christmas music OK?
I knew what you were saying. I was just trying to be a little more PC.
Posted: July 8, 2004 4:33 pm
by land_shark3
12vmanRick wrote:I was trying to find out who was the country music artist with the most #1's after seeing that Alabama had 41 #1's. I accidentally stumbled across this link
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/ind ... id=38&pg=1
Look how many things in which the Beatles hold records
What is a "Raï" artist?
A "Canto-Pop Male Artist" just sounds dirty.
Posted: July 8, 2004 4:48 pm
by Gypsy In The Palace
Dang! Nobdy's voting for Jimmy?
Posted: July 8, 2004 4:56 pm
by Key Lime Lee
Jimmy's influence may have yet to express itself... depending on the future Jimmy's legacy may be his ability to thrive outside of what is perceived as the traditional distribution channels.
Posted: July 8, 2004 5:49 pm
by DeactiveCarib
12vmanRick wrote:I was trying to find out who was the country music artist with the most #1's after seeing that Alabama had 41 #1's. I accidentally stumbled across this link
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/ind ... id=38&pg=1
Look how many things in which the Beatles hold records
I believe George Strait has the most #1s, over 50, and has more #1s than any other recording artist for their genre
Posted: July 8, 2004 6:08 pm
by PHBeerman
I have to say the Beatles. Their invasion changed music for good. I wanted to say JB but hey, I'm a realist!!
Posted: July 8, 2004 6:10 pm
by 12vmanRick
DsilCaribe wrote:12vmanRick wrote:I was trying to find out who was the country music artist with the most #1's after seeing that Alabama had 41 #1's. I accidentally stumbled across this link
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/ind ... id=38&pg=1
Look how many things in which the Beatles hold records
I believe George Strait has the most #1s, over 50, and has more #1s than any other recording artist for their genre
I am surely not doubting you but I have been looking for this info all day and can not find anything definite.
Posted: July 8, 2004 6:18 pm
by Jahfin
Record sales are no indication of an artists influence, the impact they have on other artists are. Look at Garth Brooks for instance. He did everything in his power a few years ago to break existing sales records, all he did was prove that greed was the foundation for his motivation.
Posted: July 8, 2004 6:25 pm
by PHBeerman
Lowering CD prices is being greedy?? Go figure. Ask those in country music now what Garth Brooks' influence was and I believe that they would all have positive words to say. It is kind of like Wayne Gretzky in Hockey.
Posted: July 8, 2004 6:31 pm
by Jahfin
PHBeerman wrote:Lowering CD prices is being greedy?? Go figure. Ask those in country music now what Garth Brooks' influence was and I believe that they would all have positive words to say. It is kind of like Wayne Gretzky in Hockey.
I'm not referring to reducing sales prices I'm referring to the tatics he resorted to when constantly repackaging his live CD through Wal-Mart a few years ago in order to break existing sales records. He also wanted to receive royalties for sales of his used CDs that he had already received royalties on for their initial sales. All of that is beside the point anyway, the point I was making was that sales figures are no indication of an artist's influence and I was using Garth as an example.
Posted: July 8, 2004 6:35 pm
by PHBeerman
Jahfin wrote:PHBeerman wrote:Lowering CD prices is being greedy?? Go figure. Ask those in country music now what Garth Brooks' influence was and I believe that they would all have positive words to say. It is kind of like Wayne Gretzky in Hockey.
I'm not referring to reducing sales prices I'm referring to the tatics he resorted to when constantly repackaging his live CD through Wal-Mart a few years ago in order to break existing sales records. He also wanted to receive royalties for sales of his used CDs that he had already received royalties on for their initial sales. All of that is beside the point anyway, the point I was making was that sales figures are no indication of an artist's influence and I was using Garth as an example.
I agree that sales do not indicate genius. There are alot of bands out there that are just horrible and they have sold a crap load of records. However, I am saying that sometimes people sell Garth Brooks short when it comes to the contribution he made to country music.
Posted: July 8, 2004 6:43 pm
by Jahfin
PHBeerman wrote:Jahfin wrote:PHBeerman wrote:Lowering CD prices is being greedy?? Go figure. Ask those in country music now what Garth Brooks' influence was and I believe that they would all have positive words to say. It is kind of like Wayne Gretzky in Hockey.
I'm not referring to reducing sales prices I'm referring to the tatics he resorted to when constantly repackaging his live CD through Wal-Mart a few years ago in order to break existing sales records. He also wanted to receive royalties for sales of his used CDs that he had already received royalties on for their initial sales. All of that is beside the point anyway, the point I was making was that sales figures are no indication of an artist's influence and I was using Garth as an example.
I agree that sales do not indicate genius. There are alot of bands out there that are just horrible and they have sold a crap load of records. However, I am saying that sometimes people sell Garth Brooks short when it comes to the contribution he made to country music.
I'm not sure what Garth Brooks contributed to country music other than his own watered down brand of "arena country". When it comes to country artists from the late 80s I'll stick to my Steve Earle, Dwight Yoakam, Lyle Lovett and Nanci Griffith records instead. Garth was just never my cup of tea.
Posted: July 8, 2004 6:49 pm
by PHBeerman
Jahfin wrote:PHBeerman wrote:I agree that sales do not indicate genius. There are alot of bands out there that are just horrible and they have sold a crap load of records. However, I am saying that sometimes people sell Garth Brooks short when it comes to the contribution he made to country music.
I'm not sure what Garth Brooks contributed to country music other than his own watered down brand of "arena country". When it comes to country artists from the late 80s I'll stick to my Steve Earle, Dwight Yoakam, Lyle Lovett and Nanci Griffith records instead. Garth was just never my cup of tea.
To each their own. I have always enjoyed the passion he puts into his music.
Posted: July 8, 2004 7:15 pm
by DeactiveCarib
Jahfin wrote:
I'm not sure what Garth Brooks contributed to country music other than his own watered down brand of "arena country". When it comes to country artists from the late 80s I'll stick to my Steve Earle, Dwight Yoakam, Lyle Lovett and Nanci Griffith records instead. Garth was just never my cup of tea.
Jahfin, let me clairify something for you since you are "not sure" about what Garth contributed. He did one of the greatest things for contemporary country musicians, which is open up the door for nearly all of today's country stars. He did this for people such as Toby Keith and Jo Dee Mesina by letting them tour with him when they were no names, and also Trisha Yearwood, Chris Cagle, and many others have all noted that without garth they would still be playing in bars, and all of these artists' styles were influenced by garth. This information came from reading many different articles about Garth (myself being a big garth fan), and by watching different CMT programs, in particular "Garth Brooks: Inside the Fame". As you said earlier this evening,
Jahfin wrote:Next time before you go jumping down my throat about something at least get your facts straight
. This time you jumped down Garth's throat by calling him greedy. You cannot prove this. I know for a fact that he donates very very large sums of money to childrens charities, and also is a dedicated father and left his multi-million dollar job as being the top selling solo artist of all time (plus a great and experimental performer) to be with his children. How could you ever call someone that does that greedy? The fact that you call him greedy shows that you ignorant on the subject. Once again,
Jahfin wrote:at least get your facts straight
.
Posted: July 8, 2004 10:16 pm
by Jahfin
DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:
I'm not sure what Garth Brooks contributed to country music other than his own watered down brand of "arena country". When it comes to country artists from the late 80s I'll stick to my Steve Earle, Dwight Yoakam, Lyle Lovett and Nanci Griffith records instead. Garth was just never my cup of tea.
Jahfin, let me clairify something for you since you are "not sure" about what Garth contributed. He did one of the greatest things for contemporary country musicians, which is open up the door for nearly all of today's country stars. He did this for people such as Toby Keith and Jo Dee Mesina by letting them tour with him when they were no names, and also Trisha Yearwood, Chris Cagle, and many others have all noted that without garth they would still be playing in bars, and all of these artists' styles were influenced by garth. This information came from reading many different articles about Garth (myself being a big garth fan), and by watching different CMT programs, in particular "Garth Brooks: Inside the Fame". As you said earlier this evening,
Jahfin wrote:Next time before you go jumping down my throat about something at least get your facts straight
. This time you jumped down Garth's throat by calling him greedy. You cannot prove this. I know for a fact that he donates very very large sums of money to childrens charities, and also is a dedicated father and left his multi-million dollar job as being the top selling solo artist of all time (plus a great and experimental performer) to be with his children. How could you ever call someone that does that greedy? The fact that you call him greedy shows that you ignorant on the subject. Once again,
Jahfin wrote:at least get your facts straight
.
Just to clarify to those that have not been following this thread, other than the first quote, those other quotes do not come from this thread at all but were pulled from elsewhere on this board and therefore have no place here. As for the artists you cite as Garth opening the door for, you made my point for me. He helped make the market safe for mediocre watered down country music artists such as himself that appeal to the masses that like his brand of arena country. Like I said, the "Hootie" of country music. That's not a distinction I'd be very proud of myself. I'll take the geniune article such as Steve Earle (the "anti-Garth"), Merle Haggard or Hank III over Garth any day of the week. Was he influential? Most definitely, but not necessarily in a good way.
I have no doubt that Garth (and many other performers for that matter) have donated money to charity, that doesn't change the fact that he resorted to deceptive marketing tactics in order to break previous sales records set by other artists just so he could have his name in some record book somewhere. Here's an excerpt from an article that addresses that very subject:
http://www.ironminds.com/impression/arc ... /rant.html
One symbol of the season is the unprecedented sales goal of Garth Brooks: He wants to sell a million copies of his double live album the first day (Nov. 17) it is available. Keep in mind that no one has ever sold that much in a week, but the marketer, er, singer has never missed a sales goal yet. But here's my question: why? What does selling a million pieces of anything in a day have to do with music? Is Wal-Mart going to put a sign out front, a la McDonald's, trumpeting "Over One Million Sold"? If Brooks wants to get into the Guinness Book of World Records and sell more records than the Beatles, this is how to do it. Release a record which has six different covers. Which explains why he is so tied in with Wal-Mart, whose late owner, Sam Walton, was the richest man in America for a time. Greed, not art, is the motivating factor.
Posted: July 9, 2004 12:29 am
by captainjoe
Jahfin wrote:DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:
I'm not sure what Garth Brooks contributed to country music other than his own watered down brand of "arena country". When it comes to country artists from the late 80s I'll stick to my Steve Earle, Dwight Yoakam, Lyle Lovett and Nanci Griffith records instead. Garth was just never my cup of tea.
Jahfin, let me clairify something for you since you are "not sure" about what Garth contributed. He did one of the greatest things for contemporary country musicians, which is open up the door for nearly all of today's country stars. He did this for people such as Toby Keith and Jo Dee Mesina by letting them tour with him when they were no names, and also Trisha Yearwood, Chris Cagle, and many others have all noted that without garth they would still be playing in bars, and all of these artists' styles were influenced by garth. This information came from reading many different articles about Garth (myself being a big garth fan), and by watching different CMT programs, in particular "Garth Brooks: Inside the Fame". As you said earlier this evening,
Jahfin wrote:Next time before you go jumping down my throat about something at least get your facts straight
. This time you jumped down Garth's throat by calling him greedy. You cannot prove this. I know for a fact that he donates very very large sums of money to childrens charities, and also is a dedicated father and left his multi-million dollar job as being the top selling solo artist of all time (plus a great and experimental performer) to be with his children. How could you ever call someone that does that greedy? The fact that you call him greedy shows that you ignorant on the subject. Once again,
Jahfin wrote:at least get your facts straight
.
Just to clarify to those that have not been following this thread, other than the first quote, those other quotes do not come from this thread at all but were pulled from elsewhere on this board and therefore have no place here. As for the artists you cite as Garth opening the door for, you made my point for me. He helped make the market safe for mediocre watered down country music artists such as himself that appeal to the masses that like his brand of arena country. Like I said, the "Hootie" of country music. That's not a distinction I'd be very proud of myself. I'll take the geniune article such as Steve Earle (the "anti-Garth"), Merle Haggard or Hank III over Garth any day of the week. Was he influential? Most definitely, but not necessarily in a good way.
I have no doubt that Garth (and many other performers for that matter) have donated money to charity, that doesn't change the fact that he resorted to deceptive marketing tactics in order to break previous sales records set by other artists just so he could have his name in some record book somewhere. Here's an excerpt from an article that addresses that very subject:
http://www.ironminds.com/impression/arc ... /rant.html
One symbol of the season is the unprecedented sales goal of Garth Brooks: He wants to sell a million copies of his double live album the first day (Nov. 17) it is available. Keep in mind that no one has ever sold that much in a week, but the marketer, er, singer has never missed a sales goal yet. But here's my question: why? What does selling a million pieces of anything in a day have to do with music? Is Wal-Mart going to put a sign out front, a la McDonald's, trumpeting "Over One Million Sold"? If Brooks wants to get into the Guinness Book of World Records and sell more records than the Beatles, this is how to do it. Release a record which has six different covers. Which explains why he is so tied in with Wal-Mart, whose late owner, Sam Walton, was the richest man in America for a time. Greed, not art, is the motivating factor.
Very well said Jahfin! IMHP, the Beatles were overrated. When the Beatles came out, "Rock and Roll" had been around for a while. Rock and Roll was in its infancy when Elvis came into the picture. You must be a big influence on music, if the music you helped create is still around 60 years later.