Buffett to Perform During Vote for Change Tour

[IsleReef]

The only thing that John Kerry has in common with Jimmy Buffet are John's "Flip Flops"........ I hate it when Jimmy as well as other artists think that they are some super power come election time & worst yet are the candidates USING them for their own gain....... I only hope that Jimmy's fans are smart enough to see through the lies and venom that the democratic party is spewing........ There is only one choice and that is Bush/Cheney in 2004................... Considering the world we live in since 9/11, we need a true leader and if you like it or not, it is George Bush.....

[Ragtopnewbie]

I think it's scary that we have a President that spent 462 days onvacation in 2001. It's also scary he's never had anything published

Its also scary that he can't even pronounce important words during public speeches.... what an embarassment

"Resort" is a strong word - I welcome any politician who puts a little music into his campaign to lighten it up a little and get people excited. There is nothing Bush EVER did or said to get me excited - I am ready for a change GO KERRY!!!!

[Ragtopnewbie]

ENRON ENRON ENRON.....say it with me.... I'm sorry - I forget - who was really good friends with those crooks - Oh thats right - Our TRUTHFUL HONEST President
Once again - ANYONE who had as much money and they felt very passionate about the environment, education, and crime - there is no doubt about it

[tryin' to reason]

Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton - say it with me.
Oops, ANOTHER overcharge to the U.S.
They must know somebody in a high public office...

[Parrot Monkey]

My brother (who is an huge Springsteen fan) went literally insane today when he found out the he would be coming to a city just an hour away from where we live. I believe R.E.M. and John Fogerty will be performing with the boss. James Taylor and the Dixie Chicks are going to be there another night (I think separate tickets are need to see both nights, as far as I know). The family is planing to get tickets for Bruce, R.E.M. and Fogerty, as it is on a Friday, which is always a good thing.

It’s too bad Jimmy appears to disappearing from the roster. I would wet myself if I got to see him perform with Bruce.

[icefins26]

Well, I kind of like that Jimmy is performing but I think it's pathetic John Kerry has to resort to the entertainment industry to promote himself. I mean come on if he has to promote himself through successful entertainers and not his successful-self, then he shouldn't be our next president of the United States...and that's not the only reason.

Kerry is scary!

BUSH '04!

I would like to know how Kerry has resorted to the entertainment business to promote himself? From what I see and what DsilCaribe
has written this is put on by a different organization, not John Kerry or any of his campaign officials.
I personally think the Vote for Change Tour is a fantastic idea. I hope this brings more American citizens to the voting booth on election day and at the same time to support who they believe will be a great leader for the United States.

Excuse me while I go throw up

[fleshandbone]

I hate it when Jimmy as well as other artists think that they are some super power come election time

This point of view comes up again and again in political discussions. Every American citizen has the right to express his or her opinion. Expressing those opinions is done using many forums, formats and platforms. In the early days of the American Republic, David Crockett used his fame as a frontiersman (and hero of pulp fiction) to get elected to Congress. Today, you may express your political opinion by campaigning door to door, by volunteering for a campaign or advocacy group and licking envelopes, by contributing money, by telling your friends and neighbors your opinion, by standing on a street corner and making a speech, by posting on blogs and boards, by running for office. Just like us, the artists of Change the Vote are expressing their opinions. I don’t think any of them are trying to be a “super power.” They may have a bigger stage but they aren’t doing anything the rest of us don’t have an opportunity to do. There are many that oppose their opinions that have other stages, forums or formats. That’s the nature of democracy. If you want a bigger stage/platform/forum, go for it. It’s the American way. As for their opinions, you can take it or leave it. As for Jimmy Buffett, he has shown that he is more than a singer/musician. He is well read, an author, a businessman, an activist for environmental causes, a patron of the arts, etc. I think his opinion deserves to be heard.

[Key Lime Lee]

Excuse me while I go throw up

Suppose that's easier than attempting to engage in an intelligent exchange.

[smacky]

Barely 52% of eligible voters even bother going to the polls. Isn’t that pathetic? So any move made to get more voters out should be encouraged. And these performers are choosing the candidate they want to support. If Lee Greenwood and Dennis Miller staged a big concert for Bush (besides being awful), they would be perfectly justified in doing it. (I can’t think of a full roster of Republican performers…)

And brother, you have GOT to believe Jimmy is savvy enough to take care of himself. He’s not being used by ANYONE. If he chooses to play a show, or endorse a candidate, he’s just using some of those constitutional rights we have.

(Okay, I’ll cave and add that if flag burning was still the “hot button” topic, Bush would be pushing for THAT amendment, rather than gay marriage, which is (and should remain) an issue decided in and by each state. Like gun laws, which Republicans are happy to allow each state to formulate.)

[IsleReef]

I think it's scary that we have a President that spent 462 days onvacation in 2001. It's also scary he's never had anything published

Its also scary that he can't even pronounce important words during public speeches.... what an embarassment

"Resort" is a strong word - I welcome any politician who puts a little music into his campaign to lighten it up a little and get people excited. There is nothing Bush EVER did or said to get me excited - I am ready for a change GO KERRY!!!!

Well here are some FACTS..................

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain
about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the
worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: President Bush
didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by
terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333
per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,
58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never
attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times
by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
Over 2,900 lives lost on 9/11.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated
two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear
inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, captured a
terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers,
an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing
another terrorist attack at home. Worst president in history? Come on!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
Florida!!!!

Wake Up and who gives a s%*t about Clinton's big book of pathetic lies....

[IsleReef]

Well, I kind of like that Jimmy is performing but I think it's pathetic John Kerry has to resort to the entertainment industry to promote himself. I mean come on if he has to promote himself through successful entertainers and not his successful-self, then he shouldn't be our next president of the United States...and that's not the only reason.

Kerry is scary!

BUSH '04!

I would like to know how Kerry has resorted to the entertainment business to promote himself? From what I see and what DsilCaribe
has written this is put on by a different organization, not John Kerry or any of his campaign officials.
I personally think the Vote for Change Tour is a fantastic idea. I hope this brings more American citizens to the voting booth on election day and at the same time to support who they believe will be a great leader for the United States.

Excuse me while I go throw up

Don't go throwing up just yet....... All this stupid poliltical crap happened with Jimmy alienating a large group of his fans 4 years ago as I am sure it will in another 4 years...... It's not worth getting the blood pressure up over and letting some of these left wing bleeding heart liberals getting the better of you....... Trust me.... To me, the only good to ever come from the democrats & Bill Clinton was getting Fleetwood Mac to come out of retirement.......

[smacky]

Yawn, yawn, yawn.

Assuming we're reasonably intelligent, most of us didn't get our political views handed to us 10 minutes ago. Meaning? No one is going to be turned to the other side by a list of any kind. And terms like "Bleeding heart liberals" and "Right wing nutjob" just make any argument or debate absolutely pointless. By using them, you've alienated the very people you're preaching to. Unless the point of this is to backslap others that share your point of view, which is what rallies (like the concerts being planned) are for.

Both sides (and every person in history, including members of this board) have things in their past that can be used against them. Let’s look at drug use: Clinton admitted to trying marijuana (but didn’t inhale ), while George W. did COCAINE while Reagan was waging his war on drugs. See? Everyone’s got skeletons.

[IsleReef]

I think it's scary that we have a President that spent 462 days onvacation in 2001. It's also scary he's never had anything published

Its also scary that he can't even pronounce important words during public speeches.... what an embarassment

"Resort" is a strong word - I welcome any politician who puts a little music into his campaign to lighten it up a little and get people excited. There is nothing Bush EVER did or said to get me excited - I am ready for a change GO KERRY!!!!

I think you are a big wuss considering what scares you......
Watch out now.....................Boo!!!!
Don't be scared, everything will be alright........ YOU BIG BABY

[Key Lime Lee]

Well here are some FACTS..................

Actually most of those are opinions based loosely on an interpretation (or, in some cases a misinterpretation) of the "facts". And as clever as you probably think they are, they're largely irrelevant.

Chances are that if you're copying and pasting your political views, they're not as well thought out as they should be.

[IsleReef]

Well here are some FACTS..................

Actually most of those are opinions based loosely on an interpretation (or, in some cases a misinterpretation) of the "facts". And as clever as you probably think they are, they're largely irrelevant.

Chances are that if you're copying and pasting your political views, they're not as well thought out as they should be.

Like it or not, they are 100% documented facts....... The entire Clinton administration was a disgrace to our country and America...... Now we have a true leader who has to clean up a huge mess left behind, and who is doing an outstanding job...... (I do not need to cut and paste my proof.... I only copy it from where I originally have some of my written documents on my pc) Nice try................... Do I think I am clever? No. I do however have keen insight, street smarts and an incredible eye to see right through Bull S%#t.......................

[Key Lime Lee]

Like it or not, they are 100% documented facts.......

Hardly, but if you can't distinguish between interpretation and actual fact then there's very little anyone will be able to do to help you gain a perspective on reality.

I can play the same game you play using actual "facts" but it bears as much resemblance to reality as your meaningless word games....

George W. Bush spent 42% of his first 8 months in office on vacation. While vacationing in Texas, Bush was informed that Al Qaida was planning to use planes to attack the US. Bush did nothing, and on September 11, 2,752 people lost their lives when planes piloted by Al Quada terrorists attacked the US.

Face it: regardless of your political beliefs, it's people who can't actually argue the validity of the issues that are the problem in this country.


PS. It seems that people all over the internet have also copied and pasted from your personal docs, at least judging by the number of people who seem to have posted your "facts" word for word. Let me know when you have an original thought.

[RinglingRingling]

I think it's scary that we have a President that spent 462 days onvacation in 2001. It's also scary he's never had anything published

Its also scary that he can't even pronounce important words during public speeches.... what an embarassment

"Resort" is a strong word - I welcome any politician who puts a little music into his campaign to lighten it up a little and get people excited. There is nothing Bush EVER did or said to get me excited - I am ready for a change GO KERRY!!!!

Well here are some FACTS..................

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain
about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the
worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: President Bush
didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by
terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

And there was this funny thing called "The Axis", where Germany, Italy, and Japan were allied.. Declaration of war against one ally usually results in war being declared against all allies..

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333
per year.

Perhaps true, but if he had not defended South Korea, you know that half-wits like McCarthy would have gone ballistic over his being soft on "Komm-yew-nists", and either party would have gone to the UN to push this resistance to armed aggression.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,
58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Technically, no. Kennedy inherited this mess from Eisenhower, who inherited it from the French. Again, the right wing would have been foaming at the mouth had South Viet Nam fallen to the Communists while we did nothing.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never
attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
Over 2,900 lives lost on 9/11.



In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated
two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear
inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, captured a
terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers,
an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing
another terrorist attack at home. Worst president in history? Come on!

Liberated? Reduced to anarchy (in the case of Afghanistan), and certainly hasn't created the utopia he was selling when the fun in Iraq was being ramped up. The Taliban is back, gathering strength, and will probably end up having a stronger voice in any government in that country than we really would like, but we can always go back in and bomb... oh, wait, they are in the stone age already. Afghanistan is no better off today than it was under the Taliban.

We have inspectors in North Korea, but do they have full and complete access to all facilities? (I don't think so). We didn't exactly accept this approach in Iraq, but you do not see the US ramping up to take out the Koreans...
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

A bit of useless hyperbole here...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
Florida!!!!

actually, considering that hostilities are still occuring, and that banner declaring a formal end to hostilities was bull$h**, you might want to check this statement a bit before offering it again.

Wake Up and who gives a s%*t about Clinton's big book of pathetic lies....

Especially when there are so many new lies to investigate coming from the current Administration...

[Travelin'man]

Great discussion people! I wish there were more on BN as civil as this one!

[tryin' to reason]

Anybody got any BUFFETT news.....??

[MikeInNOLA]

I have many friends who agree that we disagree! Looks pretty much the same here. One thing to remember...the right to express our opinions is what made this country great....just remember your right to VOTE and use it!

Personally, I respect Jimmy for not pushing his political belief's down our throats (ala Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, etc, etc.). I would not go to a Kerry event just to see Buffett.

Of course, I would hope that Buffett would never stoop to endorsing candidates at a concert we pay money to see!