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rednekkPH wrote:

buffettbride wrote:Why does American always have to equal English?

Because it is the individual's responsibility to learn to function as a productive member of soceity, not society's responsibility to change to fit a few people who posess no drive or ambition to be productive.

Very well said FRANK!

Supertrooper and Coconuts. I understand what you are saying. I had only started that thought to get others ideas. Not TOTALLY saying it is right or my only opinion.

It's a fine line here that's for sure. I just get sick of seeing people abuse the system. Tired of lame parents blaming schools. Schools and other things bowing down to "you are being racist" statement, etc...

tommcat327 wrote:

phtnt wrote:most people give me a hard time because I don't vote. I'm glad you guy's respect my right to not have an opinion on which crooked politician holds office.

we dont really respect your opinion tim,we just realize it's worthless

I'm glad we can agree!!!

12vmanRick wrote:Supertrooper and Coconuts. I understand what you are saying. I had only started that thought to get others ideas. Not TOTALLY saying it is right or my only opinion.

It's a fine line here that's for sure. I just get sick of seeing people abuse the system. Tired of lame parents blaming schools. Schools and other things bowing down to "you are being racist" statement, etc...

I know, and I do agree with you, but I know I have enough advantages from being smart and pretty that I shouldn't get extra legal consideration as well.

And most of the faults of schools do lie with the parents, although there is a lot of eurocentric junk in history books. But you know who's on the textbook selection committee- the parents.

going back to the food stamp issue.i think they should be eliminated completely,along with welfare.then all these bleeding heart liberals who support it so much can just give them their own money.and so can the politicians who support it.let those of us who dont support it keep our money for ourselves.i never chose to give any part of my pay to other people,they didnt do any of my job

Coconuts wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:Supertrooper and Coconuts. I understand what you are saying. I had only started that thought to get others ideas. Not TOTALLY saying it is right or my only opinion.

It's a fine line here that's for sure. I just get sick of seeing people abuse the system. Tired of lame parents blaming schools. Schools and other things bowing down to "you are being racist" statement, etc...

I know, and I do agree with you, but I know I have enough advantages from being smart and pretty that I shouldn't get extra legal consideration as well.

And most of the faults of schools do lie with the parents, although there is a lot of eurocentric junk in history books. But you know who's on the textbook selection committee- the parents.

Please send picture to prove your pretty portion of your statement The verdict is still out on the smart part

LIPH wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:voting should not be a right, it should be a privilege earned by educating oneself about the issues.

Then you need to amend the Constitution because that's where the RIGHT to vote comes from. How many politicians, who get elected in part because ill-informed people vote for them, would be in favor of that amendment?

Actually the constitution left voting rights up to the states. Until crooked lawyers got involved.

12vmanRick wrote:

Coconuts wrote:I know, and I do agree with you, but I know I have enough advantages from being smart and pretty that I shouldn't get extra legal consideration as well.

Please send picture to prove your pretty portion of your statement The verdict is still out on the smart part

I can vouch for that. How many times do I have to say it? Trust me, I'm a lawyer.

live2ski wrote:

LIPH wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:voting should not be a right, it should be a privilege earned by educating oneself about the issues.

Then you need to amend the Constitution because that's where the RIGHT to vote comes from. How many politicians, who get elected in part because ill-informed people vote for them, would be in favor of that amendment?

Actually the constitution left voting rights up to the states. Until crooked lawyers got involved.

The 15th Amendment gave blacks the right to vote. The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote.

LIPH wrote:

live2ski wrote:

LIPH wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:voting should not be a right, it should be a privilege earned by educating oneself about the issues.

Then you need to amend the Constitution because that's where the RIGHT to vote comes from. How many politicians, who get elected in part because ill-informed people vote for them, would be in favor of that amendment?

Actually the constitution left voting rights up to the states. Until crooked lawyers got involved.

The 15th Amendment gave blacks the right to vote. The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote.

I am talking about the constitution in it's original form. You know when we were considered a Republic.

So you wouldn't have a problem if only white men were allowed to vote? Because that's how it was under the original Constitution.

live2ski wrote:

LIPH wrote:

live2ski wrote:

LIPH wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:voting should not be a right, it should be a privilege earned by educating oneself about the issues.

Then you need to amend the Constitution because that's where the RIGHT to vote comes from. How many politicians, who get elected in part because ill-informed people vote for them, would be in favor of that amendment?

Actually the constitution left voting rights up to the states. Until crooked lawyers got involved.

The 15th Amendment gave blacks the right to vote. The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote.

I am talking about the constitution in it's original form. You know when we were considered a Republic.

When did we stop being a republic?

LIPH wrote:So you wouldn't have a problem if only white men were allowed to vote? Because that's how it was under the original Constitution.

Ahh back to the racist accusations. Not what I said, nor implied. I am just saying that voting was not a right granted by the constitution in its original form.

live2ski wrote:

LIPH wrote:So you wouldn't have a problem if only white men were allowed to vote? Because that's how it was under the original Constitution.

Ahh back to the racist accusations. Not what I said, nor implied. I am just saying that voting was not a right granted by the constitution in its original form.

It isn't a racist accusation. I was responding to what you said, which was this -

live2ski wrote:I am talking about the constitution in it's original form.

Women and minorities couldn't vote under the Constitution in its original form. That's a fact, and amending the Constitution is what gave them the right to vote.

LIPH wrote:

live2ski wrote:

LIPH wrote:So you wouldn't have a problem if only white men were allowed to vote? Because that's how it was under the original Constitution.

Ahh back to the racist accusations. Not what I said, nor implied. I am just saying that voting was not a right granted by the constitution in its original form.

It isn't a racist accusation. I was responding to what you said, which was this -

live2ski wrote:I am talking about the constitution in it's original form.

Women and minorities couldn't vote under the Constitution in its original form. That's a fact, and amending the Constitution is what gave them the right to vote.

Can you read back further?? Never stated an opinion one way or another just tried to clear up a misconception that the constitution implicitly awarded voting rights. Which was your point.

tommcat327 wrote:going back to the food stamp issue. I think they should be eliminated completely, along with welfare. Then all these bleeding heart liberals who support it so much can just give them their own money. And so can the politicians who support it. Let those of us who don't support it keep our money for ourselves. I never chose to give any part of my pay to other people, they didnt do any of my job

I'm with you, tommcat! My idea: Come tax time, let the tax payers decide where their tax dollars should be spent! I vote for mine to go to education, police departments, fire departments and trash collectors! If you want to give your money to people so they can buy expensive jewelry, fancy manicures & hairdos and use your money to buy their food... So be it!

As far as voting goes... I have abstained from participating in several elections just because I didn't feel I had educated myself sufficiently to make an enlightened decision on how I should vote. On the other hand, in one election I encountered one particularly idiotic individual - found out which way they were voting - and then voted the opposite - just to cancel out their vote! (Hey, that approach is no worse than the "eenie meenie miney moe" approach used by the unenlightened!)

-=mw=-

LIPH wrote:

live2ski wrote:

LIPH wrote:So you wouldn't have a problem if only white men were allowed to vote? Because that's how it was under the original Constitution.

Ahh back to the racist accusations. Not what I said, nor implied. I am just saying that voting was not a right granted by the constitution in its original form.

It isn't a racist accusation. I was responding to what you said, which was this -

live2ski wrote:I am talking about the constitution in it's original form.

Women and minorities couldn't vote under the Constitution in its original form. That's a fact, and amending the Constitution is what gave them the right to vote.

In reality it never gave white males the right to vote. It was just a given and forbidden for others to vote. Also, most people do not understand that you do not have the RIGHT to vote for the president and that the electoral college votes for who is president and they have by proxy gone with a majority population vote. Hence, the Florida electoral college COULD HAVE given the election to Gore.

Margarita Will wrote:I vote for mine to go to education, police departments, fire departments and trash collectors!

Excellent. We don't need an army or anything.

live2ski wrote:Can you read back further?? Never stated an opinion one way or another just tried to clear up a misconception that the constitution implicitly awarded voting rights. Which was your point.

While the body of the original constitution doesn't specifically mention the voting rights of the people, they are implied throughout, unlike the right to free speech, assembly religion, the right to bear arms, and, well, the entire bill of rights, all of which were all added in amendments.

To suggest that the "original" constitution and not the amendments is the core of the rights granted to us is to completely misunderstand the founding fathers intention that the constitution be a work in progress.

Gees. . .I go to work and all hell breaks loose on the topic I started. After reading for roughly 45 minutes, I think I'm caught up. Here are my thoughts. I grew up having to use food stamps and attended a back woods public school that wasn't all that great. My PARENTS told me to go to school, study, and make something of myself. They motivated me to do my best. They also instilled in me the respect I have for my right to vote, or my priviledge to vote as I call it. I had excellent TEACHERS who worked tirelessly with the limited resources available to give me the best education possible. On my 18th birthday, the FIRST thing I did was register to vote. I love having the priviledge to decide we leads my country. I received three college degrees after many scholarships and student loans, which I'll be paying off for years to come. I work hard and make decent money. The job I have provides spays/neuters for pets of people on government assistance. We offer the surgery and all vaccinations, flea protection for a month, antibiotics, pain meds, and a nail trim for 10 bucks a pet. Often we get nothing. I deal with those that are working hard to scam the system on a daily basis. I believe the best way to help a man is to teach him to fish. That means, I'll help you, but you are going to learn how to do it for yourself. As for speaking English, that is the official language of our country. Anyone who comes here should learn to speak it. Did I miss anything?