Posted By Anonymous
Albatross - I think you raise a good point (I guess I'm just happy no one is taking off my head for a moment !). Who do you think approves that ?. Sorry to say, but I think - The promoter, M'ville Tequila, Corona and yes, Bubba himself. Many of the first row tickets are reserved for him, or so I've heard. They end up in the hands of scalpers and they are the ones which go for the big bucks. Thanks for not calling me names for expressing an opinion. I'd swear I'm a Jerry Springer site, not one for Parrotheads.
I MISSED OUT...THANKS TICKETMASTER!!!!!!
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Posted By Anonymous
Mr. Scott - Thanks. I KNOW many really true Parrotheads agree with us and I guess I'm wasting my breath trying to get some of these so called Parrotheads to see the light. As I've said before they fail to see the value of Ticket Brokers and misplace their frustrations in not being able to get tickets on the heads of scalpers. They are a SERVICE (IF you want to avail yourself of that service) and with them, you can always get tickets, for more or less. Without them, you are in TB jail. I notice "the Woman gone crazy" (MRS. Captain Tony) is apparently not on tonight. She's probably passed out by now or her McDonald's shift has started. I suspect she'll be making more personal attacks when the hang-over ceases in the morning. I guess she has appointed herself the Queen of this site and won't hesistate to take anyone's head off if they disagree with her opinions. See you down front, buddy.
Mr. Scott - Thanks. I KNOW many really true Parrotheads agree with us and I guess I'm wasting my breath trying to get some of these so called Parrotheads to see the light. As I've said before they fail to see the value of Ticket Brokers and misplace their frustrations in not being able to get tickets on the heads of scalpers. They are a SERVICE (IF you want to avail yourself of that service) and with them, you can always get tickets, for more or less. Without them, you are in TB jail. I notice "the Woman gone crazy" (MRS. Captain Tony) is apparently not on tonight. She's probably passed out by now or her McDonald's shift has started. I suspect she'll be making more personal attacks when the hang-over ceases in the morning. I guess she has appointed herself the Queen of this site and won't hesistate to take anyone's head off if they disagree with her opinions. See you down front, buddy.
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Posted By Mr. Scott
Anon! - You tell 'em! Are you headed to any shows in California? I think the best show so far was the Tampa show! Jimmy really loved the ref doll our club gave him! Our bi- monthly meeting was the night before the show, and we had about 700 people there! if anyone out there would like to join the largest parrothead club in the universe, just e-mail me, and I will send you the info!
My fin is up!
Anon! - You tell 'em! Are you headed to any shows in California? I think the best show so far was the Tampa show! Jimmy really loved the ref doll our club gave him! Our bi- monthly meeting was the night before the show, and we had about 700 people there! if anyone out there would like to join the largest parrothead club in the universe, just e-mail me, and I will send you the info!
My fin is up!
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Posted By Anonymous
Mr. Scott -The ref doll - great idea. He must have enjoyed that ! Can I join your club, even if I live in CA ? If so, let me know...and I'm in. I'm seeing the Oakland show on the 15th (from 4 rows from the stage on the floor, which I bought from a Broker at a not too outrageous price (Sorry, Capt.) In fact, the total I paid, is less than the face value of the tickets I had for the MGM show last September. I was trying to go to the San Jose show too but we're leaving for Negril,Jamaica that morning (made a big mistaka). Take care and thanks for adding some reality to this conversation.
Mr. Scott -The ref doll - great idea. He must have enjoyed that ! Can I join your club, even if I live in CA ? If so, let me know...and I'm in. I'm seeing the Oakland show on the 15th (from 4 rows from the stage on the floor, which I bought from a Broker at a not too outrageous price (Sorry, Capt.) In fact, the total I paid, is less than the face value of the tickets I had for the MGM show last September. I was trying to go to the San Jose show too but we're leaving for Negril,Jamaica that morning (made a big mistaka). Take care and thanks for adding some reality to this conversation.
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Posted By Mr. Scott
Anytime Anon! Yea, you can join our club, just send me your address when you get around to it, and I'll mail the info before the next high tide! It was in the 80's here today! The Buffett tunes were blastin'! As usual! Spend the money, I say, 'cause ya might not be here tomorrow. I'll be right there in the 4th row with ya 'cause I'll be listening in!
"Spending those renegade peso's..."
Anytime Anon! Yea, you can join our club, just send me your address when you get around to it, and I'll mail the info before the next high tide! It was in the 80's here today! The Buffett tunes were blastin'! As usual! Spend the money, I say, 'cause ya might not be here tomorrow. I'll be right there in the 4th row with ya 'cause I'll be listening in!
"Spending those renegade peso's..."
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Posted By Burgh Bird
Touche, Anon. Perhaps my last line was a tad strong. But I felt I had to defend capt.toni, who I have had the pleasure of conversing on-line with on many occasions, and have never seen signs of the monster that you are bringing out in her. Rereading your posts and hers, I don't think I see her personally attacking you until she felt she had to defend herself from you. Regardless, as I said, I may not know all the "facts" on brokering. But I have seen 2 different television reports on ticket brokers. One had a hired temp with a hidden camera. A company hires people willing to stand in line, and jam the phone lines on on-sale days. Each of the 200 or so "employees" buy the maximum amount of tickets (around here, that's
and the tickets are then in the hands of the "service" who does sell them for way more than face value. If there are 3 or 4 of these types of companies out there, that comes to about 10,000 tickets. In a venue that holds 20,000, that's half of the available seats NOT available to me, Joe Q. Public. (Granted, it probaly isn't quite that many, but still...) Whether or not I can afford to buy from this "service", why should I promote them, and allow them to continually screw the people who just want a ticket? My point is simlpy this, whether or not we can afford to pay extra for a ticket from a broker, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO! And if this continues, prices across the board will go up, and eventually it will come to that. I realize that I won't convince you differently, but I hope you can understand why I and the others of my opinion, feel the way we do. And just for the record, capt.toni is not a burger-slinging, beer-drinking redneck as you proport her to be. She is truly a very kind and gentle woman, of strong opinion. I believe she deserves an apology, as I afforded one to you. We're all Parrotheads here- can't we all just get along?
Touche, Anon. Perhaps my last line was a tad strong. But I felt I had to defend capt.toni, who I have had the pleasure of conversing on-line with on many occasions, and have never seen signs of the monster that you are bringing out in her. Rereading your posts and hers, I don't think I see her personally attacking you until she felt she had to defend herself from you. Regardless, as I said, I may not know all the "facts" on brokering. But I have seen 2 different television reports on ticket brokers. One had a hired temp with a hidden camera. A company hires people willing to stand in line, and jam the phone lines on on-sale days. Each of the 200 or so "employees" buy the maximum amount of tickets (around here, that's
and the tickets are then in the hands of the "service" who does sell them for way more than face value. If there are 3 or 4 of these types of companies out there, that comes to about 10,000 tickets. In a venue that holds 20,000, that's half of the available seats NOT available to me, Joe Q. Public. (Granted, it probaly isn't quite that many, but still...) Whether or not I can afford to buy from this "service", why should I promote them, and allow them to continually screw the people who just want a ticket? My point is simlpy this, whether or not we can afford to pay extra for a ticket from a broker, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO! And if this continues, prices across the board will go up, and eventually it will come to that. I realize that I won't convince you differently, but I hope you can understand why I and the others of my opinion, feel the way we do. And just for the record, capt.toni is not a burger-slinging, beer-drinking redneck as you proport her to be. She is truly a very kind and gentle woman, of strong opinion. I believe she deserves an apology, as I afforded one to you. We're all Parrotheads here- can't we all just get along?-
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Posted By Anonymous
Burgh - I thank you for your comments. I appreciate your point of view and I hope you can see mine too. We'll probably never agree, but that's OK. The main thing I can't get through my thick skull is why tickets are different than anything else in this world - you name it, cars, stocks, real estate, beanie babies, etc. The early bird always gets the worm and then turns around and sells that worm for a profit. How do you think most IPO's work ? It's the American way as Mr. Scott points out. The company you work for likely does the same thing. I don't mind paying for the service and, as I've said before, life is a lot easier if you all don't worry about getting tickets on the first day. You will usually lose (as you have found out), with or without scalpers. Scalping IS illegal is some states and you STILL can't get tickets in those states. Sure...some scalping still happens there I'm sure but I honestly don't think to the extent you describe with scalpers getting something like half the tickets. I suspect it is very, very limited because regulators do in fact police this and you still get skunked more often than not. It is not that you have to pay more for people who are screwing you. Sometimes you pay less or a fair mark-up given the time it takes them to get the tickets. Buffett tickets in Oakland on www.ebay.com are a good example. Check for yourself now to see I'm not making this up and scalping is perfectly legal in CA. It is like socialism vs. capitalism and a free market economy. If you want to pay more for the great seats someone else was lucky enough to get, that seems fair to me. They went through the time and expense of getting them and I didn't. That is worth something to me and, I believe, most serious Parrotheads. Anyway, we CAN all get along and I sincerely appreciate a more reasonable discussion on this topic, so thanks. I DO understand your points, I just think they don't mesh with with today's society and economy, that's all. I'm certainly not attacking you for making your points (as I was attacked). You are welcome to make your points and I enjoy discussing them with you. Minds never expand unless they are challenged. In terms of Josette (Capt. Toni), I'll extend the olive branch in the interest of Parrothead harmony. It is OK to attack my views, not me personally for thinking the way I do about a certain topic. For the record, I apologize to any Parrothead I've offended with my comments - I love you guys as I stated in one of my early postings. Please though, let's not load the guns if someone disagrees with you. I seem to recall some pretty nasty comments towards anyone (and not just me) with an opinion supporting ticket brokering. I do support it and many fellow Parrotheads do as well. You don't and many Parrotheads agree with you. OK, fair enough. My only reason of beginning this posting was to say we're not all on the same page here. If you read through all of the postings, you'll see a pretty strong and offensive posture towards anyone who actually likes ticket brokers and scalping. I just want to say some of us come from a different angle on that. Enough said. You take care and have a good night. I appreciate you writing back.
Burgh - I thank you for your comments. I appreciate your point of view and I hope you can see mine too. We'll probably never agree, but that's OK. The main thing I can't get through my thick skull is why tickets are different than anything else in this world - you name it, cars, stocks, real estate, beanie babies, etc. The early bird always gets the worm and then turns around and sells that worm for a profit. How do you think most IPO's work ? It's the American way as Mr. Scott points out. The company you work for likely does the same thing. I don't mind paying for the service and, as I've said before, life is a lot easier if you all don't worry about getting tickets on the first day. You will usually lose (as you have found out), with or without scalpers. Scalping IS illegal is some states and you STILL can't get tickets in those states. Sure...some scalping still happens there I'm sure but I honestly don't think to the extent you describe with scalpers getting something like half the tickets. I suspect it is very, very limited because regulators do in fact police this and you still get skunked more often than not. It is not that you have to pay more for people who are screwing you. Sometimes you pay less or a fair mark-up given the time it takes them to get the tickets. Buffett tickets in Oakland on www.ebay.com are a good example. Check for yourself now to see I'm not making this up and scalping is perfectly legal in CA. It is like socialism vs. capitalism and a free market economy. If you want to pay more for the great seats someone else was lucky enough to get, that seems fair to me. They went through the time and expense of getting them and I didn't. That is worth something to me and, I believe, most serious Parrotheads. Anyway, we CAN all get along and I sincerely appreciate a more reasonable discussion on this topic, so thanks. I DO understand your points, I just think they don't mesh with with today's society and economy, that's all. I'm certainly not attacking you for making your points (as I was attacked). You are welcome to make your points and I enjoy discussing them with you. Minds never expand unless they are challenged. In terms of Josette (Capt. Toni), I'll extend the olive branch in the interest of Parrothead harmony. It is OK to attack my views, not me personally for thinking the way I do about a certain topic. For the record, I apologize to any Parrothead I've offended with my comments - I love you guys as I stated in one of my early postings. Please though, let's not load the guns if someone disagrees with you. I seem to recall some pretty nasty comments towards anyone (and not just me) with an opinion supporting ticket brokering. I do support it and many fellow Parrotheads do as well. You don't and many Parrotheads agree with you. OK, fair enough. My only reason of beginning this posting was to say we're not all on the same page here. If you read through all of the postings, you'll see a pretty strong and offensive posture towards anyone who actually likes ticket brokers and scalping. I just want to say some of us come from a different angle on that. Enough said. You take care and have a good night. I appreciate you writing back.
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Posted By Anonymous
Albatross - I'll try to stop by the Hilton and appreciate your offer. I read this was THE spot to be. I'll buy if I can get there. We're having a little pre-party at my house before but I'll try to make it. That is amazing about what your Corona distributor said. That is different, though, than what most people think of scalping to be. That is organized by the promoters. A question (and probably a sensitive one): Do you think Buffett approves of this ? I can't imagine he doesn't know of this, especially given his close association with Corona and M'ville tequila.
In fact, you may have read the inside scoop about Mac and Finger's departure from the reefers. They said he was "owned" by M'ville tequila. Interesting ! If he DOES know and approve of this(as I imagine he must), that puts a whole new wrinkle in this deal. Many people are very outspoken and against scalping (though not ALL Of us, for the record !). I'd be curious as to comments from that side if Jimmy himself was part of the scalping process. Comments ?
Albatross - I'll try to stop by the Hilton and appreciate your offer. I read this was THE spot to be. I'll buy if I can get there. We're having a little pre-party at my house before but I'll try to make it. That is amazing about what your Corona distributor said. That is different, though, than what most people think of scalping to be. That is organized by the promoters. A question (and probably a sensitive one): Do you think Buffett approves of this ? I can't imagine he doesn't know of this, especially given his close association with Corona and M'ville tequila.
In fact, you may have read the inside scoop about Mac and Finger's departure from the reefers. They said he was "owned" by M'ville tequila. Interesting ! If he DOES know and approve of this(as I imagine he must), that puts a whole new wrinkle in this deal. Many people are very outspoken and against scalping (though not ALL Of us, for the record !). I'd be curious as to comments from that side if Jimmy himself was part of the scalping process. Comments ?
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Posted By Anonymous
Albatross - I can't imagine it either which puts a whole new major spin on this scalping thing. If Seagrams (owners of M'ville Tequila) and Corona have that tickets are held back for scalpers in the sponsorship contracts as they most certainly MUST, they has to mean Jimmy in one form or another gets some compensation or another out of this scalping deal (and is most certainly aware of it). Does anyone out there believe he isn't compensated directly by Corona and Seagrams ? If so, do you think he is unaware that scalping is an integral part of the contract ? Does the revenue generated from this - which must be huge - not find it's way back into his pocket to some extent ? Very difficult to believe if one understands business and more specifically, if you understand Jimmy's "music machine". It was widely published that he earned $54 million last year on tour. Of course, I doubt that includes sponsorship provisions and cut-backs from the sponsors.
So, the question of the moment is to all of you very vocal Anti-Scalpers (of late, Josette - MRS. Capt. Toni, Caribbean Soul, Well Duh, CrbnSol and Burgh Bird)is are you going to hold to your principals now ? Caribbean Soul states you folks could generally easily pay for scalped tickets but REFUSE to do so on principal. Here's my bet: your principals will start to erode very quickly in light of this new information. How fast can you back-peddle if the man himself is involved in your toils ? If you were really based on principal, I would think tonight there would be huge bon-fires of Buffett CD's and a kind of burning of the draft cards type of deal with Buffett tickets for upcoming shows. Do you really intend to support to a man, or at least an organization, which sets up and conducts scalping activities ?
Well, I can tell you what Mr. Scott and I are going to do, as we've been the ones here getting abused on this topic. We're going to continue to buy his CD's, play them too loud and often, buy good tickets - from scalpers if we have to - and have just a blast at his concerts from up-front.
We never had a problem with the concept of scalping or ticket brokering in the first place, as well documented above. You folks did. Now, it would have seem you have a difficult decision to make: PRINCIPAL OR MUSIC. What is it ? (P.S. I saw that the Monkyees have reunited for a tour - I'm not kidding - maybe that is an alternative given Buffett is now out if you stick to your principals!)...
Albatross - I can't imagine it either which puts a whole new major spin on this scalping thing. If Seagrams (owners of M'ville Tequila) and Corona have that tickets are held back for scalpers in the sponsorship contracts as they most certainly MUST, they has to mean Jimmy in one form or another gets some compensation or another out of this scalping deal (and is most certainly aware of it). Does anyone out there believe he isn't compensated directly by Corona and Seagrams ? If so, do you think he is unaware that scalping is an integral part of the contract ? Does the revenue generated from this - which must be huge - not find it's way back into his pocket to some extent ? Very difficult to believe if one understands business and more specifically, if you understand Jimmy's "music machine". It was widely published that he earned $54 million last year on tour. Of course, I doubt that includes sponsorship provisions and cut-backs from the sponsors.
So, the question of the moment is to all of you very vocal Anti-Scalpers (of late, Josette - MRS. Capt. Toni, Caribbean Soul, Well Duh, CrbnSol and Burgh Bird)is are you going to hold to your principals now ? Caribbean Soul states you folks could generally easily pay for scalped tickets but REFUSE to do so on principal. Here's my bet: your principals will start to erode very quickly in light of this new information. How fast can you back-peddle if the man himself is involved in your toils ? If you were really based on principal, I would think tonight there would be huge bon-fires of Buffett CD's and a kind of burning of the draft cards type of deal with Buffett tickets for upcoming shows. Do you really intend to support to a man, or at least an organization, which sets up and conducts scalping activities ?
Well, I can tell you what Mr. Scott and I are going to do, as we've been the ones here getting abused on this topic. We're going to continue to buy his CD's, play them too loud and often, buy good tickets - from scalpers if we have to - and have just a blast at his concerts from up-front.
We never had a problem with the concept of scalping or ticket brokering in the first place, as well documented above. You folks did. Now, it would have seem you have a difficult decision to make: PRINCIPAL OR MUSIC. What is it ? (P.S. I saw that the Monkyees have reunited for a tour - I'm not kidding - maybe that is an alternative given Buffett is now out if you stick to your principals!)...
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Posted By Mr. Scott
Anon - I lit a spliff once with a hundred dollar bill, just for fun! Man, that was dumb! I coulda seen another Jimmy Buffett show with that $! Again, it's a free country, and I don't want anyone telling me how I can or can't spend my money. So, on that note, I'll fire up some hard earned dollars now(no, not $100.00's, but still green).
Anon - I lit a spliff once with a hundred dollar bill, just for fun! Man, that was dumb! I coulda seen another Jimmy Buffett show with that $! Again, it's a free country, and I don't want anyone telling me how I can or can't spend my money. So, on that note, I'll fire up some hard earned dollars now(no, not $100.00's, but still green).
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Posted By Anonymous
Mr.Scott - You carry on, my Man and I'll catch you later. You are right it is a free country, at least in some people's minds. I cannot wait to hear the response from those anti-scalpers on the idea Albatross raised about the promoters (and almost certainly Bubba himself) being involved - and probably running - the scalping trade (40% of the tickets at the Phoenix show). If I were them, I would damn well start boycotting the shows ! How can you listen to a man you is ripping you off. You can't and look at yourself in the mirror -- can't be done. That's good news to those Parrotheads like you and I who don't worry about scalping. Just think of all those front row seats you and I are going to be enjoying from now on. Guess those anti-scalpers are going to have to start listening to Yanni (I don't think he does that scalping thing does he ?!). I'm hitting the sack...Fins Up !
Mr.Scott - You carry on, my Man and I'll catch you later. You are right it is a free country, at least in some people's minds. I cannot wait to hear the response from those anti-scalpers on the idea Albatross raised about the promoters (and almost certainly Bubba himself) being involved - and probably running - the scalping trade (40% of the tickets at the Phoenix show). If I were them, I would damn well start boycotting the shows ! How can you listen to a man you is ripping you off. You can't and look at yourself in the mirror -- can't be done. That's good news to those Parrotheads like you and I who don't worry about scalping. Just think of all those front row seats you and I are going to be enjoying from now on. Guess those anti-scalpers are going to have to start listening to Yanni (I don't think he does that scalping thing does he ?!). I'm hitting the sack...Fins Up !
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Posted By Anonymous
Don't run for cover now Anti-Scalpers ! Don't hide in the weeds ! Those Parrotheads who like Ticket Brokering are awaiting your words of wisdom opposite the idea that Jimmy himself is very likely aware and involved in the scalping business (see above). Stealing your hard earned money. Don't blame it on the end-seller. They wouldn't be in business without some inside connections and without approval from all of the brass. If you follow his business dealings, as most of you probably do, you KNOW he is a smart business person. Do you think he is blind to the fact that promoters hold back 40% of the seats to sell to scalpers. No way is my thinking...the man is not stupid. You think he doesn't get any cut-back from that arrangement ? (Just think, Mr. Scott, tickets for pennies on the dollar. Front row, center seats at $5 (no scalping required)). It is going to be awesome year !
Don't run for cover now Anti-Scalpers ! Don't hide in the weeds ! Those Parrotheads who like Ticket Brokering are awaiting your words of wisdom opposite the idea that Jimmy himself is very likely aware and involved in the scalping business (see above). Stealing your hard earned money. Don't blame it on the end-seller. They wouldn't be in business without some inside connections and without approval from all of the brass. If you follow his business dealings, as most of you probably do, you KNOW he is a smart business person. Do you think he is blind to the fact that promoters hold back 40% of the seats to sell to scalpers. No way is my thinking...the man is not stupid. You think he doesn't get any cut-back from that arrangement ? (Just think, Mr. Scott, tickets for pennies on the dollar. Front row, center seats at $5 (no scalping required)). It is going to be awesome year !
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Posted By AlbatrossFlyer
After reading the NY state attorney general's report on scalping and the info i've collected from various sources here's my take on how things happen...
corporate sponsor comes in and pays the artist a multi-million dollar fee to "sponsor" the artist's tour. with that sponsorship comes arena/stage branding ads, onsite merchandizing (booze/food etc.) tv/print media ads featuring the artist (ie sting's cellphone ad) private concerts for the company, AND a certain number of concert tickets for the prime seats at each show.
When the show comes to town the sponsor starts handing out the freebie tickets to major customers, dealers, employees. etc... now the feeding frenzy begins. the ticket brokers know the system and how the game is played. knowing the right contacts, they can scoop up the sponsor seats and then put them up for sale.
the distributor guy i talked to said he had recieved a block of 20 prime seats, he kept 8 since his wife and kids wanted to go and sold the rest to a broker. the broker came to him not the other way around.
the next scam which has implicated several promoters and arena management firms includes "insiders" manipulating the ticket sales computer systems to show seats sold which really aren't and then the insiders sell the tickets off book at a markup to the brokers. both the NY state attorney general and 60 minutes have investigated this scam.
while the artists aren't directly involved they know full well what's going on. the reason alot of them have come out against scalping is they're not getting a cut of the inflated ticket price.
from my take what's really needed is not anti-scalping laws but, a truth in seats law which would force disclosure of the actual number and location of the seats that are available for public purchase. the last olympics in sydney did this after their little scandal with only 400 tickets for the opening ceremonies were available to the public got out. the other 75,000 or so went to the olympics officials and corporate sponsors. also tighter controls to prevent the insider deals are needed.
After reading the NY state attorney general's report on scalping and the info i've collected from various sources here's my take on how things happen...
corporate sponsor comes in and pays the artist a multi-million dollar fee to "sponsor" the artist's tour. with that sponsorship comes arena/stage branding ads, onsite merchandizing (booze/food etc.) tv/print media ads featuring the artist (ie sting's cellphone ad) private concerts for the company, AND a certain number of concert tickets for the prime seats at each show.
When the show comes to town the sponsor starts handing out the freebie tickets to major customers, dealers, employees. etc... now the feeding frenzy begins. the ticket brokers know the system and how the game is played. knowing the right contacts, they can scoop up the sponsor seats and then put them up for sale.
the distributor guy i talked to said he had recieved a block of 20 prime seats, he kept 8 since his wife and kids wanted to go and sold the rest to a broker. the broker came to him not the other way around.
the next scam which has implicated several promoters and arena management firms includes "insiders" manipulating the ticket sales computer systems to show seats sold which really aren't and then the insiders sell the tickets off book at a markup to the brokers. both the NY state attorney general and 60 minutes have investigated this scam.
while the artists aren't directly involved they know full well what's going on. the reason alot of them have come out against scalping is they're not getting a cut of the inflated ticket price.
from my take what's really needed is not anti-scalping laws but, a truth in seats law which would force disclosure of the actual number and location of the seats that are available for public purchase. the last olympics in sydney did this after their little scandal with only 400 tickets for the opening ceremonies were available to the public got out. the other 75,000 or so went to the olympics officials and corporate sponsors. also tighter controls to prevent the insider deals are needed.
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Posted By Burgh Bird
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Wow- now that is interesting. I realized that promoters got in the action, I guess I just didn't realize how much. And let's just say, I'm not at all shocked about the ticket insiders and arena management(SFX?) holding some of the cards. Thanks for your diligent research. At least I know who to blame when I can't get tickets via normal means.
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Wow- now that is interesting. I realized that promoters got in the action, I guess I just didn't realize how much. And let's just say, I'm not at all shocked about the ticket insiders and arena management(SFX?) holding some of the cards. Thanks for your diligent research. At least I know who to blame when I can't get tickets via normal means.