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Posted: October 6, 2004 4:35 pm
by Jahfin
rednekkPH wrote:Jahfin wrote:IsleReef wrote:Jahfin wrote:IsleReef wrote:Jahfin wrote:
I've also seen you celebrate the death of Kurt Cobain on this board and mentioned in another thread how it wouldn't have hurt your feelings any if Clapton had been on the copter that took Stevie Ray Vaughan's life (or to quote you exactly ("not that i wish clapton had died but if one of them had to go i wish they hadnt switched.") which is pretty much saying the same thing. These are some of the most cold blooded things I've ever read on a message board anywhere. You seem to forget that the people behind the Vote For Change tour have the right to protest the war and urge people to vote for Kerry. I may not agree with all of their views myself but I wholeheartedly agree with their right to take part in this tour and speak their minds.
Sorry, but the greatest sound ever to come from any member of Nirvana was "Bang".......................... What a great finale!!!!!!!!!
I can't say I agree with you there, I just don't see Cobain's death as something to be celebrated.
Okay, nothing to celebrate......... But no big loss to the music community..... I am 36 years old and found Nirvana nothing but annoying and he & his wife should of and she should of been a responsible parental couple for the sake of their child...... Since his death, Courtney Love has been a terrible drug addict mother...... I am no angel, but there are things I have and will never do again since being a parent........ Their whole situation is just sad......
I'm not sure how anyone that lived through the late 80s and early 90s could say that Nirvana didn't have an impact on the music community because they most certainly did.
I don't believe he said that Nirvana had no impact. He just said their demise was not a big loss to the industry. There is a difference.
Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.
Posted: October 6, 2004 4:38 pm
by rednekkPH
Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.
That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.
Posted: October 6, 2004 4:44 pm
by IsleReef
I always saw Nirvana as a whole very arrogant........... I remember one year at the MTV music awards where they were just arrogant disgusting slobs preaching and shouting over each other their political views....... Yes they were a changing factor in the music scene..... For the better? NO!!!!!!! As a musician, I really have no respect for their music....... But this is coming from someone who is 36 years old........... For a different generation, I respect your opinion....... After all, I always loved Jim Morrison, but there are plenty who didn't........
Posted: October 6, 2004 4:48 pm
by buffettbride
rednekkPH wrote:Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.
That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.
We were mourning the loss of HAIR BANDS!!!
Posted: October 6, 2004 4:49 pm
by Jahfin
rednekkPH wrote:Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.
That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.
That is your opinion. As someone that remembers what the music scene was like back then, Nirvana was the shot in the arm the music world needed in those days or else would have been resigned to Michael Jackson and the lite-metal of Bon Jovi and Poison. Continue to deny it if you must but Nirvana forever changed the face of music in ways few other bands ever have. Of course they were only the pinnacle of a much larger community of musicians. Those I will take any day over "hair metal" or the current teen pop brigade that rule the airwaves.
Posted: October 6, 2004 4:53 pm
by LIPH
Jahfin wrote:rednekkPH wrote:Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.
That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.
That is your opinion. As someone that remembers what the music scene was like back then, Nirvana was the shot in the arm the music world needed in those days or else would have been resigned to Michael Jackson and the lite-metal of Bon Jovi and Poison. Continue to deny it if you must but Nirvana forever changed the face of music in ways few other bands ever have. Of course they were only the pinnacle of a much larger community of musicians. Those I will take any day over "hair metal" or the current teen pop brigade that rule the airwaves.
And that is
YOUR opinion. Just because Nirvana came along at a time when music sucked doesn't mean they were good. It just means they sucked less.
Posted: October 6, 2004 4:53 pm
by IsleReef
buffettbride wrote:rednekkPH wrote:Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.
That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.
We were mourning the loss of HAIR BANDS!!!
Bon Jovi, WhiteSnake, Skid Row, Motley Crue, Ratt, Poison, Slaughter, Heart, Vixen, Great White, White Lion......... Etc. Etc. Etc................
Posted: October 6, 2004 4:56 pm
by tommcat327
LIPH wrote:And that is YOUR opinion. Just because Nirvana came along at a time when music sucked doesn't mean they were good. It just means they sucked less.
and it is my opinion that they sucked more.as bad as they were i'll take bon jovi over nirvana or any grunge band any day of the week.
Posted: October 6, 2004 4:57 pm
by buffettbride
<--------------------------Really liked POISON.
<---------Wore little neon green and black striped tiny tank tops
<--------------------------Seen them in concert about 5-6 times
<--------------------------Not afraid to admit it.
Actually, I was really upset when "Smells Like Teen Spirit" bumped "Armageddon It" by Def Leopard off the #1 spot in the Hard 30 on MTV.
Posted: October 6, 2004 4:58 pm
by ph4ever
Heart a hair band????? Since when???
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:00 pm
by IsleReef
tommcat327 wrote:LIPH wrote:And that is YOUR opinion. Just because Nirvana came along at a time when music sucked doesn't mean they were good. It just means they sucked less.
and it is my opinion that they sucked more.as bad as they were i'll take bon jovi over nirvana or any grunge band any day of the week.
100% in agreement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 80's "so called hairbands" were much more taleneted artists as well as performers......... Grunge just taught people that it was okay to wake up, not shower and smell like sh*t and go on with life and write another crappy song................
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:00 pm
by LIPH
Didn't the Wilson sisters have hair?
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:03 pm
by IsleReef
ph4ever wrote:Heart a hair band????? Since when???
I would say their comeback in the mid 80's........ Not bashing Heart at all..... Ann Wilson happens to be the greatest female rock Goddess next to Pat Benatar.....................
I love them both.........
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:03 pm
by ph4ever
LIPH wrote:Didn't the Wilson sisters have hair?
no they wore wigs
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:04 pm
by IsleReef
ph4ever wrote:LIPH wrote:Didn't the Wilson sisters have hair?
no they wore wigs
No way..................... Not buying that one.................
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:06 pm
by IsleReef
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:07 pm
by ph4ever
IsleReef wrote:ph4ever wrote:Heart a hair band????? Since when???
I would say their comeback in the mid 80's........ Not bashing Heart at all..... Ann Wilson happens to be the greatest female rock Goddess next to Pat Benatar.....................
I love them both.........
Personally I wouldn't clasify Heart as a hair band not even with their "comeback". They didn't have that edge that the others you listed did. To me they are not even in the same category. Not that I don't like Heart mind you
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:11 pm
by IsleReef
ph4ever wrote:IsleReef wrote:ph4ever wrote:Heart a hair band????? Since when???
I would say their comeback in the mid 80's........ Not bashing Heart at all..... Ann Wilson happens to be the greatest female rock Goddess next to Pat Benatar.....................
I love them both.........
Personally I wouldn't clasify Heart as a hair band not even with their "comeback". They didn't have that edge that the others you listed did. To me they are not even in the same category. Not that I don't like Heart mind you
Well please let me know of 80's band's you loved........ My true heart felt choices were Deep Purple, Whitesnake, Rainbow, Ozzy, G'n'R, Great White & oh......................... I'll throw the Black Crowes into the mix......
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:13 pm
by Jahfin
LIPH wrote:Jahfin wrote:rednekkPH wrote:Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.
That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.
That is your opinion. As someone that remembers what the music scene was like back then, Nirvana was the shot in the arm the music world needed in those days or else would have been resigned to Michael Jackson and the lite-metal of Bon Jovi and Poison. Continue to deny it if you must but Nirvana forever changed the face of music in ways few other bands ever have. Of course they were only the pinnacle of a much larger community of musicians. Those I will take any day over "hair metal" or the current teen pop brigade that rule the airwaves.
And that is
YOUR opinion. Just because Nirvana came along at a time when music sucked doesn't mean they were good. It just means they sucked less.
That's not an opinion, that's a fact. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" knocked all that teenybopper metal off the charts right along with Michael Jackson's spot at number one. Not only did Nirvana have a huge impact on music back then but so did the grunge movement as a whole. Cobain's death also left an indecipherable gap on the music world that is undeniable though I'm sure many of you will try to say it didn't.
Posted: October 6, 2004 5:17 pm
by ph4ever
IsleReef wrote:ph4ever wrote:IsleReef wrote:ph4ever wrote:Heart a hair band????? Since when???
I would say their comeback in the mid 80's........ Not bashing Heart at all..... Ann Wilson happens to be the greatest female rock Goddess next to Pat Benatar.....................
I love them both.........
Personally I wouldn't clasify Heart as a hair band not even with their "comeback". They didn't have that edge that the others you listed did. To me they are not even in the same category. Not that I don't like Heart mind you
Well please let me know of 80's band's you loved........ My true heart felt choices were Deep Purple, Whitesnake, Rainbow, Ozzy, G'n'R, Great White & oh......................... I'll throw the Black Crowes into the mix......
I was a huge G&R fan and I liked WhiteSnake, Motley Crue, Ratt, Poison, Great White. But you must realize I am older than you - I was listening to Deep Purple and Ozzy in the 70's and was a huge fan back then - same as Heart - started listening to them in the 70's as well. I personally don't think of bands that I listened to in the 70's to be hair bands. That's just my personal opinion right or wrong