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Jahfin wrote:

LIPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.

That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.

That is your opinion. As someone that remembers what the music scene was like back then, Nirvana was the shot in the arm the music world needed in those days or else would have been resigned to Michael Jackson and the lite-metal of Bon Jovi and Poison. Continue to deny it if you must but Nirvana forever changed the face of music in ways few other bands ever have. Of course they were only the pinnacle of a much larger community of musicians. Those I will take any day over "hair metal" or the current teen pop brigade that rule the airwaves.

And that is YOUR opinion. Just because Nirvana came along at a time when music sucked doesn't mean they were good. It just means they sucked less.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" knocked all that teenybopper metal off the charts right along with Michael Jackson's number spot at number one. Not only did Nirvana have a huge impact on music back then but so did the grunge movement as a whole. Cobain's death also left an indecipherable gap on music the music world that is undeniable though I'm sure many of you will try.

No offense.......... But the Spice Girls, Brittney, Christiana, J Lo, as well as many many others has filled the void of "CRAP".............. Nirvana was just a piece of the "Crap Puzzle"....................

ph4ever wrote:

IsleReef wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

IsleReef wrote:

ph4ever wrote:Heart a hair band????? Since when???

I would say their comeback in the mid 80's........ Not bashing Heart at all..... Ann Wilson happens to be the greatest female rock Goddess next to Pat Benatar..................... I love them both.........

Personally I wouldn't clasify Heart as a hair band not even with their "comeback". They didn't have that edge that the others you listed did. To me they are not even in the same category. Not that I don't like Heart mind you

Well please let me know of 80's band's you loved........ My true heart felt choices were Deep Purple, Whitesnake, Rainbow, Ozzy, G'n'R, Great White & oh......................... I'll throw the Black Crowes into the mix......

I was a huge G&R fan and I liked WhiteSnake, Motley Crue, Ratt, Poison, Great White. But you must realize I am older than you - I was listening to Deep Purple and Ozzy in the 70's and was a huge fan back then - same as Heart - started listening to them in the 70's as well. I personally don't think of bands that I listened to in the 70's to be hair bands. That's just my personal opinion right or wrong[/quote

I did not even mention my fav's as hair band's............ My true colors lie with Deep Purple, Dio, Whitesnake (early years's) The Doors, Ozzy, Bad Company, Bad Finger, etc............... We can go on & on & On & On...... Discussing/Battleing over bands is worst than discussing Bush/Edwards.....

IsleReef wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

LIPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.

That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.

That is your opinion. As someone that remembers what the music scene was like back then, Nirvana was the shot in the arm the music world needed in those days or else would have been resigned to Michael Jackson and the lite-metal of Bon Jovi and Poison. Continue to deny it if you must but Nirvana forever changed the face of music in ways few other bands ever have. Of course they were only the pinnacle of a much larger community of musicians. Those I will take any day over "hair metal" or the current teen pop brigade that rule the airwaves.

And that is YOUR opinion. Just because Nirvana came along at a time when music sucked doesn't mean they were good. It just means they sucked less.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" knocked all that teenybopper metal off the charts right along with Michael Jackson's number spot at number one. Not only did Nirvana have a huge impact on music back then but so did the grunge movement as a whole. Cobain's death also left an indecipherable gap on music the music world that is undeniable though I'm sure many of you will try.

No offense.......... But the Spice Girls, Brittney, Christiana, J Lo, as well as many many others has filled the void of "CRAP".............. Nirvana was just a piece of the "Crap Puzzle"....................

It may be your opinion that Nirvana were crap but there was way more to their music than any of the other aritsts you mention. Nirvana had a social conscious and the emotion in Cobain's lyrics spoke to an entire generation that were touched by Nirvana's music. I doubt very seriously that music historians will still be talking about the Spice Girls, Britney, etc. years from now other than as footnotes. Nirvana was so much more than that.

IsleReef wrote:No offense.......... But the Spice Girls, Brittney, Christiana, J Lo, as well as many many others has filled the void of "CRAP".............. Nirvana was just a piece of the "Crap Puzzle"....................

i'd prefer britney over grunge any day.at least she is good to look at.

IsleReef wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

IsleReef wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

IsleReef wrote:

ph4ever wrote:Heart a hair band????? Since when???

I would say their comeback in the mid 80's........ Not bashing Heart at all..... Ann Wilson happens to be the greatest female rock Goddess next to Pat Benatar..................... I love them both.........

Personally I wouldn't clasify Heart as a hair band not even with their "comeback". They didn't have that edge that the others you listed did. To me they are not even in the same category. Not that I don't like Heart mind you

Well please let me know of 80's band's you loved........ My true heart felt choices were Deep Purple, Whitesnake, Rainbow, Ozzy, G'n'R, Great White & oh......................... I'll throw the Black Crowes into the mix......

I was a huge G&R fan and I liked WhiteSnake, Motley Crue, Ratt, Poison, Great White. But you must realize I am older than you - I was listening to Deep Purple and Ozzy in the 70's and was a huge fan back then - same as Heart - started listening to them in the 70's as well. I personally don't think of bands that I listened to in the 70's to be hair bands. That's just my personal opinion right or wrong

I did not even mention my fav's as hair band's............ My true colors lie with Deep Purple, Dio, Whitesnake (early years's) The Doors, Ozzy, Bad Company, Bad Finger, etc............... We can go on & on & On & On...... Discussing/Battleing over bands is worst than discussing Bush/Edwards.....

I am not battleing. I was just statiting my opinion. My musical taste is very varied. I may listen to the symphony and then throw in some Red Hot Chili Peppers and then some Hank Williams Jr....

Jahfin wrote:It may be your opinion that Nirvana were crap but there was way more to their music than any of the other aritsts you mention. Nirvana had a social conscious and the emotion in Cobain's lyrics spoke to an entire generation that were touched by Nirvana's music. I doubt very seriously that music historians will still be talking about the Spice Girls, Britney, etc. years from now other than as footnotes. Nirvana was so much more than that.

i dont know the numbers but i'd guess that britney has outsold nirvana in record sales.i'd say that means she touched more people than nirvana.
i wish she'd touch me

Jahfin wrote:

LIPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.

That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.

That is your opinion. As someone that remembers what the music scene was like back then, Nirvana was the shot in the arm the music world needed in those days or else would have been resigned to Michael Jackson and the lite-metal of Bon Jovi and Poison. Continue to deny it if you must but Nirvana forever changed the face of music in ways few other bands ever have. Of course they were only the pinnacle of a much larger community of musicians. Those I will take any day over "hair metal" or the current teen pop brigade that rule the airwaves.

And that is YOUR opinion. Just because Nirvana came along at a time when music sucked doesn't mean they were good. It just means they sucked less.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" knocked all that teenybopper metal off the charts right along with Michael Jackson's spot at number one. Not only did Nirvana have a huge impact on music back then but so did the grunge movement as a whole. Cobain's death also left an indecipherable gap on the music world that is undeniable though I'm sure many of you will try to say it didn't.

The part highlighted in red is what I meant when I said it was YOUR opinion. Did the music industry need a shot in the arm back then? Probably so. Was Nirvana that shot? Not in MY OPINION.

tommcat327 wrote:

Jahfin wrote:It may be your opinion that Nirvana were crap but there was way more to their music than any of the other aritsts you mention. Nirvana had a social conscious and the emotion in Cobain's lyrics spoke to an entire generation that were touched by Nirvana's music. I doubt very seriously that music historians will still be talking about the Spice Girls, Britney, etc. years from now other than as footnotes. Nirvana was so much more than that.

i dont know the numbers but i'd guess that britney has outsold nirvana in record sales.i'd say that means she touched more people than nirvana.
i wish she'd touch me

I'm sure you do.

tommcat327 wrote:

Jahfin wrote:It may be your opinion that Nirvana were crap but there was way more to their music than any of the other aritsts you mention. Nirvana had a social conscious and the emotion in Cobain's lyrics spoke to an entire generation that were touched by Nirvana's music. I doubt very seriously that music historians will still be talking about the Spice Girls, Britney, etc. years from now other than as footnotes. Nirvana was so much more than that.

i dont know the numbers but i'd guess that britney has outsold nirvana in record sales.i'd say that means she touched more people than nirvana.
i wish she'd touch me

Britney came along way after Nirvana and the impact they had on their audience on a visceral level isn't even comparable to that of Britney on ANY level. That's something that can even begin to be measured in record sales.

LIPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

LIPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote:Cobain's death was a huge loss not only to the industry but to the music community in general. I wasn't even a big fan of grunge myself but that whole form of music went through a period of mourning that it still hasn't fully recovered from yet.

That whole form of music WAS nothing but a long period of mourning.

That is your opinion. As someone that remembers what the music scene was like back then, Nirvana was the shot in the arm the music world needed in those days or else would have been resigned to Michael Jackson and the lite-metal of Bon Jovi and Poison. Continue to deny it if you must but Nirvana forever changed the face of music in ways few other bands ever have. Of course they were only the pinnacle of a much larger community of musicians. Those I will take any day over "hair metal" or the current teen pop brigade that rule the airwaves.

And that is YOUR opinion. Just because Nirvana came along at a time when music sucked doesn't mean they were good. It just means they sucked less.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" knocked all that teenybopper metal off the charts right along with Michael Jackson's spot at number one. Not only did Nirvana have a huge impact on music back then but so did the grunge movement as a whole. Cobain's death also left an indecipherable gap on the music world that is undeniable though I'm sure many of you will try to say it didn't.

The part highlighted in red is what I meant when I said it was YOUR opinion. Did the music industry need a shot in the arm back then? Probably so. Was Nirvana that shot? Not in MY OPINION.

Go back and look at the charts when "Teen Spirit" hit then come back and tell me they weren't the "shot" that ridded the airwaves of the teenybopper hair metal bands. The success of the Nevermind album and that single were unprecedented by a band like them at that time. Continue to deny it if you want to but history and the facts will prove you wrong.

for those like me that sometimes need to use the dictionary I thought I'd post this so you won't have to look it up like I did

visceral




vis·cer·al [ víssərəl ]

adjective

1. instinctual: proceeding from instinct rather than from reasoned thinking


2. emotional: characterized by or showing basic emotions


3. anatomy of internal organs: relating to or affecting one or more internal organs of the body


[Late 18th century]


vis·cer·al·ly adverb

Once again and no offense.................

Nirvana was the most untalented band I have ever heard in my life...... Kurt blowing his head off was a blessing to all music lovers across the globe......... "Bang"......... what a great sound to end a pathetic musical journey................. Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IsleReef wrote:Once again and no offense.................

Nirvana was the most untalented band I have ever heard in my life...... Kurt blowing his head off was a blessing to all music lovers across the globe......... "Bang"......... what a great sound to end a pathetic musical journey................. Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't see how you could possibly think no one would take offense to that statement. For so-called Buffett fans some of you seem pretty heartless and free of compassion to me. Kurt Cobain did more for music than you will ever know or ever even begin to understand and that's coming from someone that wasn't even a big fan of his but I recognize a significant contribution to music when I see it. I sincerely hope none of your loved ones ever take their own life, I doubt very seriously you'd be shouting "Bravo!" then.

Well, I am just happy and gratefull that no one I love and care about is, nor was a pathetic drug addict who was so selfish as to leave a drug addict wife and a newborn child behind.................. They are all one big sad story............. Nothing to be happy about........

IsleReef wrote:Well, I am just happy and gratefull that no one I love and care about is, nor was a pathetic drug addict who was so selfish as to leave a drug addict wife and a newborn child behind.................. They are all one big sad story............. Nothing to be happy about........

It is good to know your friends and family don't suffer from those sort of problems but my point is, I find it strange that some of you seem to find such perverse pleasure in other people's pain. And you have the nerve to call me nuts.

Nirvana was as fake and superficial as Kurt and Courtney's lives are (were) hollow and meaningingless. That shot in the arm was C & K's heroin. And in the end Kurt took the easy way out, just like he did with what some people still insist on passing off as music. 9 out of 10 people who thought Kurt "spoke to a generation" are waiting for Gilbert Gotfreid (sp) to do a "What the F*CK" moment about them

To both you gentlemen:

Both of you both appear to be spiritual people to me. Be it Christian, Muslim or whatever your spirituality is. Are either of you treating each other within the realms of your beliefs??

Both of you make valid points. At one time I did not like Nirvana. Now I do. I look at Cobain's writings something like a 20th century Poe. Does that make me a bad person, No. Does IsleReef's position that he does not make him a bad person, No. Maybe the way he is expressing his position is not the most pleasant. Jah - I have always given you kudos regarding your knowledge of music. There is no doubt that you are very knowledgeable and I do agree with some of what you have said. But this is not a music appreciation or music history class. Sometimes you just can't change a person's tastes or opinions and you just have to leave it at that.

So can we just all be nice to everyone and get along and just agree to disagree?? PLEASE

ph4ever wrote:To both you gentlemen:

Both of you both appear to be spiritual people to me. Be it Christian, Muslim or whatever your spirituality is. Are either of you treating each other within the realms of your beliefs??

Both of you make valid points. At one time I did not like Nirvana. Now I do. I look at Cobain's writings something like a 20th century Poe. Does that make me a bad person, No. Does IsleReef's position that he does not make him a bad person, No. Maybe the way he is expressing his position is not the most pleasant. Jah - I have always given you kudos regarding your knowledge of music. There is no doubt that you are very knowledgeable and I do agree with some of what you have said. But this is not a music appreciation or music history class. Sometimes you just can't change a person's tastes or opinions and you just have to leave it at that.

So can we just all be nice to everyone and get along and just agree to disagree?? PLEASE

i'm sorry, but i disagree to agree to disagree jk

DsilCaribe wrote:

ph4ever wrote:To both you gentlemen:

Both of you both appear to be spiritual people to me. Be it Christian, Muslim or whatever your spirituality is. Are either of you treating each other within the realms of your beliefs??

Both of you make valid points. At one time I did not like Nirvana. Now I do. I look at Cobain's writings something like a 20th century Poe. Does that make me a bad person, No. Does IsleReef's position that he does not make him a bad person, No. Maybe the way he is expressing his position is not the most pleasant. Jah - I have always given you kudos regarding your knowledge of music. There is no doubt that you are very knowledgeable and I do agree with some of what you have said. But this is not a music appreciation or music history class. Sometimes you just can't change a person's tastes or opinions and you just have to leave it at that.

So can we just all be nice to everyone and get along and just agree to disagree?? PLEASE

i'm sorry, but i disagree to agree to disagree jk

Well I disagree with your dissagreement to agree to disagree

All this talk about crappy music and no one has mentioned how bad popular country music is today?