Liberals Complaint Department

[TheSecretsInTheCrust]

It basically says that gays are worthy of death.

So then it's okay to kill the next gay I see? cool.

I think that people are not angry against gays. They are angry that guys are attacking a part of their lives that is believed to be sacred. I am disappointed in the couple of states that limited rights to common partners. That is flat wrong...but I believe that guys can be given life partner rights (equal to the rights of marriage) without a document that says Marriage on it.

[buffettbride]

And to not allow our goverment to make laws that support or advocate one religion's views. The Bible is clearly anti-gay. But for our goverment to make a law so obviously in support of the Bible's teachings is, IMHO, wrong.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Last I can remember, our country is based on the United States Constitution, not the Bible.

Congress did not make the law. Ballot initiatives were drafted and the people overwhelming decided that these ballot initiatives reflect their views.


It's called democracy.

It's also called unconstitutional.

I don't know enough about the ballot initiatives to know if it was overwhelming or not.

Whether it's called marriage or civil union, doesn't really matter to me. There should be equal, legalized recognition of both types of relationships. I'm not asking a religious organization to call it "marriage". I'm asking the states to recognize it as a civil union.

[PHBeerman]

And to not allow our goverment to make laws that support or advocate one religion's views. The Bible is clearly anti-gay. But for our goverment to make a law so obviously in support of the Bible's teachings is, IMHO, wrong.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Last I can remember, our country is based on the United States Constitution, not the Bible.

Congress did not make the law. Ballot initiatives were drafted and the people overwhelming decided that these ballot initiatives reflect their views.


It's called democracy.

It's also called unconstitutional.

For citizens to vote on initiatives?

[ph4ever]

you do realize that you are quoting the Old Testament? While I can't quote scripture for scripture without my Bible here isn't there a very specific reason there is an Old and New Testament?

Let me preface this by saying that I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic, high school and grammer school. I was in choir and and altar boy. And yes, I even considered becoming a priest when I was very young. I went to school and had VERY INTENSIVE bible studies. Reasons such as the bible being anti-gay were one of MANY reasons I am not a practicing Catholic anymore.

I am not a political expert by any means, but I do know the bible.

Here is a new testament quote for you:
"For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness,: full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Rom. 1:23-32

It basically says that gays are worthy of death.

Yes but it is not your or my "duty" to judge or condemn anyone to death because of their actions. Period. That is God's and only God's judgement. That is the point I'm trying to make. As Christians it is our duty to inform those of their errors, pray for them and love them regardless. Not to condemn them.

And to not allow our goverment to make laws that support or advocate one religion's views. The Bible is clearly anti-gay. But for our goverment to make a law so obviously in support of the Bible's teachings is, IMHO, wrong.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Last I can remember, our country is based on the United States Constitution, not the Bible.

Let's get one thing straight here Mallory. You need to read back and you will find out that I am by far means not anti gay. What I have been saying all along is that it's NOT Christians place to judge or condem the gay population. Some of my best oldest and dearest friends are gay in fact.

[ph4ever]

you do realize that you are quoting the Old Testament? While I can't quote scripture for scripture without my Bible here isn't there a very specific reason there is an Old and New Testament?

Let me preface this by saying that I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic, high school and grammer school. I was in choir and and altar boy. And yes, I even considered becoming a priest when I was very young. I went to school and had VERY INTENSIVE bible studies. Reasons such as the bible being anti-gay were one of MANY reasons I am not a practicing Catholic anymore.

I am not a political expert by any means, but I do know the bible.

Here is a new testament quote for you:
"For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness,: full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Rom. 1:23-32

It basically says that gays are worthy of death.

Yes but it is not your or my "duty" to judge or condemn anyone to death because of their actions. Period. That is God's and only God's judgement. That is the point I'm trying to make. As Christians it is our duty to inform those of their errors, pray for them and love them regardless. Not to condemn them.

And to not allow our goverment to make laws that support or advocate one religion's views. The Bible is clearly anti-gay. But for our goverment to make a law so obviously in support of the Bible's teachings is, IMHO, wrong.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Last I can remember, our country is based on the United States Constitution, not the Bible.

Let's get one thing straight here Mallory. You need to read back and you will find out that I am by far means not anti gay. What I have been saying all along is that it's NOT Christians place to judge or condem the gay population. Some of my best oldest and dearest friends are gay in fact.

[iuparrothead]

Lee,
Respectfully, I don't believe he lied. He may have said things that many people did not agree with and/or did not want to hear. Sometimes when your in charge you need to make decisions that are not popular, but necessary. When Clinton looked into the camera and claimed "I did not have sex with that woman"....that was a flagarant... blatant lie. I feel that the Democratic Party is not in touch with the majority of America. That may account for losing the Electorial vote, the popular vote, seats in the Senate and the House and several state Governor and represenative seats.

Right on Glenn. I genuinely believe the intelligence the President was given was misinterpreted. He chose to be aggressive and jump on the likelihood that intelligence was right... he presumed, and he was wrong. We find out now that almost everything was false. It's a shame. But I genuinely believe there is a distinct difference between Clinton's lies and Bush's misrepresentations.

[buffettbride]

you do realize that you are quoting the Old Testament? While I can't quote scripture for scripture without my Bible here isn't there a very specific reason there is an Old and New Testament?

Let me preface this by saying that I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic, high school and grammer school. I was in choir and and altar boy. And yes, I even considered becoming a priest when I was very young. I went to school and had VERY INTENSIVE bible studies. Reasons such as the bible being anti-gay were one of MANY reasons I am not a practicing Catholic anymore.

I am not a political expert by any means, but I do know the bible.

Here is a new testament quote for you:
"For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness,: full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Rom. 1:23-32

It basically says that gays are worthy of death.

Yes but it is not your or my "duty" to judge or condemn anyone to death because of their actions. Period. That is God's and only God's judgement. That is the point I'm trying to make. As Christians it is our duty to inform those of their errors, pray for them and love them regardless. Not to condemn them.

And to not allow our goverment to make laws that support or advocate one religion's views. The Bible is clearly anti-gay. But for our goverment to make a law so obviously in support of the Bible's teachings is, IMHO, wrong.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Last I can remember, our country is based on the United States Constitution, not the Bible.

Let's get one thing straight here Mallory. You need to read back and you will find out that I am by far means not anti gay. What I have been saying all along is that it's NOT Christians place to judge or condem the gay population. Some of my best oldest and dearest friends are gay in fact.

Oh Connie..I was trying to support your statement further. I agree that it's God's job to judge. I'm all about God judging.

[bravedave]

It's called democracy.

It's also called unconstitutional.

For citizens to vote on initiatives?

No, silly Beerman, It's unconstitutional for anybody to deprive anyone of equal protection or due process.

[RAGTOP]

Lee,
Respectfully, I don't believe he lied. He may have said things that many people did not agree with and/or did not want to hear. Sometimes when your in charge you need to make decisions that are not popular, but necessary. When Clinton looked into the camera and claimed "I did not have sex with that woman"....that was a flagarant... blatant lie. I feel that the Democratic Party is not in touch with the majority of America. That may account for losing the Electorial vote, the popular vote, seats in the Senate and the House and several state Governor and represenative seats.

Right on Glenn. I genuinely believe the intelligence the President was given was misinterpreted. He chose to be aggressive and jump on the likelihood that intelligence was right... he presumed, and he was wrong. We find out now that almost everything was false. It's a shame. But I genuinely believe there is a distinct difference between Clinton's lies and Bush's misrepresentations.

exactly!

[ph4ever]

you do realize that you are quoting the Old Testament? While I can't quote scripture for scripture without my Bible here isn't there a very specific reason there is an Old and New Testament?

Let me preface this by saying that I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic, high school and grammer school. I was in choir and and altar boy. And yes, I even considered becoming a priest when I was very young. I went to school and had VERY INTENSIVE bible studies. Reasons such as the bible being anti-gay were one of MANY reasons I am not a practicing Catholic anymore.

I am not a political expert by any means, but I do know the bible.

Here is a new testament quote for you:
"For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness,: full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Rom. 1:23-32

It basically says that gays are worthy of death.

Yes but it is not your or my "duty" to judge or condemn anyone to death because of their actions. Period. That is God's and only God's judgement. That is the point I'm trying to make. As Christians it is our duty to inform those of their errors, pray for them and love them regardless. Not to condemn them.

And to not allow our goverment to make laws that support or advocate one religion's views. The Bible is clearly anti-gay. But for our goverment to make a law so obviously in support of the Bible's teachings is, IMHO, wrong.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Last I can remember, our country is based on the United States Constitution, not the Bible.

Let's get one thing straight here Mallory. You need to read back and you will find out that I am by far means not anti gay. What I have been saying all along is that it's NOT Christians place to judge or condem the gay population. Some of my best oldest and dearest friends are gay in fact.

Oh Connie..I was trying to support your statement further. I agree that it's God's job to judge. I'm all about God judging.

ok my bad. I thought you were thinking that because I was in favor of the Bible's teachings that ment I was anti gay.

[UAHparrothead]

I'm going to say this and then I am leaving this one alone, God does not hate the sinner, but the sin. Does that Bible speak against the homosexual lifestyle? yes Does it also say to love one another has Christ loved us? yes Does the Bible deny salvation to homosexuals? no You can quote scripture all day long, but that is the bottom line. Love each other as Christ loved us. That is the Great Commandment. I do not hate anyone, but I do disagree with that type of lifestyle, but I do not cast the first stone because I am not without sin.

[bravedave]

I genuinely believe there is a distinct difference between Clinton's lies and Bush's misrepresentations.

Yeah, Clinton can pronounce and spell "lies"

[iuparrothead]

Lee,
Respectfully, I don't believe he lied. He may have said things that many people did not agree with and/or did not want to hear. Sometimes when your in charge you need to make decisions that are not popular, but necessary. When Clinton looked into the camera and claimed "I did not have sex with that woman"....that was a flagarant... blatant lie. I feel that the Democratic Party is not in touch with the majority of America. That may account for losing the Electorial vote, the popular vote, seats in the Senate and the House and several state Governor and represenative seats.

Right on Glenn. I genuinely believe the intelligence the President was given was misinterpreted. He chose to be aggressive and jump on the likelihood that intelligence was right... he presumed, and he was wrong. We find out now that almost everything was false. It's a shame. But I genuinely believe there is a distinct difference between Clinton's lies and Bush's misrepresentations.

exactly!

Oh, and also related to Glenn's statment... the Democratic party needs to shift their priorities for who they are going to endorse for the presidency in 2008 if they have a chance! I stated it before in another thread... but they seriously need to get back towards the middle instead of so way left with dudes like Kerry and (puke) Edwards. The need to look outside the elitist club at the top and find a candidate that connects better with middle America, but still holds to Democrat policies and ideals. (see Evan Bayh, IN)

[buffettbride]

Let me preface this by saying that I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic, high school and grammer school. I was in choir and and altar boy. And yes, I even considered becoming a priest when I was very young. I went to school and had VERY INTENSIVE bible studies. Reasons such as the bible being anti-gay were one of MANY reasons I am not a practicing Catholic anymore.

I am not a political expert by any means, but I do know the bible.

Here is a new testament quote for you:
"For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness,: full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Rom. 1:23-32

It basically says that gays are worthy of death.

Yes but it is not your or my "duty" to judge or condemn anyone to death because of their actions. Period. That is God's and only God's judgement. That is the point I'm trying to make. As Christians it is our duty to inform those of their errors, pray for them and love them regardless. Not to condemn them.

And to not allow our goverment to make laws that support or advocate one religion's views. The Bible is clearly anti-gay. But for our goverment to make a law so obviously in support of the Bible's teachings is, IMHO, wrong.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Last I can remember, our country is based on the United States Constitution, not the Bible.

Let's get one thing straight here Mallory. You need to read back and you will find out that I am by far means not anti gay. What I have been saying all along is that it's NOT Christians place to judge or condem the gay population. Some of my best oldest and dearest friends are gay in fact.

Oh Connie..I was trying to support your statement further. I agree that it's God's job to judge. I'm all about God judging.

ok my bad. I thought you were thinking that because I was in favor of the Bible's teachings that ment I was anti gay.

Nope.

[PHBeerman]

It's called democracy.

It's also called unconstitutional.

For citizens to vote on initiatives?

No, silly Beerman, It's unconstitutional for anybody to deprive anyone of equal protection or due process.

That's funny I thought due process guaranteed

Right to a fair and public trial conducted in a competent manner
Right to be present at the trial
Right to an impartial jury
Right to be heard in one's own defense
Laws must be written so that a reasonable person can understand what is criminal behavior
Taxes may only be taken for public purposes
Property may be taken by the government only for public purposes
Owners of taken property must be fairly compensated

[Elrod]

And to not allow our goverment to make laws that support or advocate one religion's views. The Bible is clearly anti-gay. But for our goverment to make a law so obviously in support of the Bible's teachings is, IMHO, wrong.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Last I can remember, our country is based on the United States Constitution, not the Bible.

I wasn't around when either document was written, but I've been led to believe that the bible is older than the constitution.

Since the concept of marriage is defined in the bible, should our government be allowed to recognize it?

[TheSecretsInTheCrust]

I genuinely believe there is a distinct difference between Clinton's lies and Bush's misrepresentations.

Yeah, Clinton can pronounce and spell "lies"

ouch...after that biting comeback I'll retreat and go home

[GrannaC]

Granna C wrote:

Which is one of the reasons I voted for GWB.
_________________
If you are such a big supporter of W and the war in Iraq, why don't you enlist to fight W's war? Is it ok whenever someone else has to fight or to die?

Because the military won't take grandmothers as new recruits.

The men in my family, however, have stepped up to the plate. My father has a purple heart medal for his efforts in WWII. My brother died overseas during the Vietnam War. My husband is a Vietnam-era veteran. My first husband retired after 22 years in the Air Force. Hell, I'm practically a military groupie. You bet your a$$ I support our Commander-in-Chief and those who are brave enough to fight for our freedoms and our way of life.

[Cousin Baxter]

I love all this talk about a man and woman marriage is a natural one and a sacred institution. Whats so sacred about husbands and wives cheating on one another and that the American divorce rate is 51%? I have friends who are gay and straight and the funny thing is the straight ones who are in the "sacred marriage" cheat more on their spouses than those in the gay relationships and people tend to accept this behavior more than being gay.

[ph4ever]

Yes but it is not your or my "duty" to judge or condemn anyone to death because of their actions. Period. That is God's and only God's judgement. That is the point I'm trying to make. As Christians it is our duty to inform those of their errors, pray for them and love them regardless. Not to condemn them.

And to not allow our goverment to make laws that support or advocate one religion's views. The Bible is clearly anti-gay. But for our goverment to make a law so obviously in support of the Bible's teachings is, IMHO, wrong.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Last I can remember, our country is based on the United States Constitution, not the Bible.

Let's get one thing straight here Mallory. You need to read back and you will find out that I am by far means not anti gay. What I have been saying all along is that it's NOT Christians place to judge or condem the gay population. Some of my best oldest and dearest friends are gay in fact.

Oh Connie..I was trying to support your statement further. I agree that it's God's job to judge. I'm all about God judging.

ok my bad. I thought you were thinking that because I was in favor of the Bible's teachings that ment I was anti gay.

Nope.

sorry