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No our news is the same. But thankfully I have friends who I correspond with who are serving in Iraq. That way I can get the truth.Ermie wrote:I guess different sides of the world get different perspectives and feed back.Iraqis running up and hugging our troops in mass and playing baseball for the first time is no delusion, it just doesn't make the 6 o'clock news cause death tolls and conspiracies get better ratings.
Amen brother Troy!PHBeerman wrote:No our news is the same. But thankfully I have friends who I correspond with who are serving in Iraq. That way I can get the truth.Ermie wrote:I guess different sides of the world get different perspectives and feed back.Iraqis running up and hugging our troops in mass and playing baseball for the first time is no delusion, it just doesn't make the 6 o'clock news cause death tolls and conspiracies get better ratings.
nycparrothead wrote:Although, I'm sure I won't convince Troy, I used to think that being gay was a choice until I realized that one of my friends in college was gay. I watched the kid cry on many occasions asking why he was so screwed up and why he couldn't just be normal. A genetic defect, maybe. But it certainly isn't a choice they make, that I'm sure of.Ermie wrote:Can we be so sure??? What happened to tolerating differences and not imposing our views on others?I guess when I understood right from wrong.
Now I'm worried - agreement is becoming a habit!!! PHBeerman wrote:No our news is the same. But thankfully I have friends who I correspond with who are serving in Iraq. That way I can get the truth.Ermie wrote:I guess different sides of the world get different perspectives and feed back.Iraqis running up and hugging our troops in mass and playing baseball for the first time is no delusion, it just doesn't make the 6 o'clock news cause death tolls and conspiracies get better ratings.
Isn't truth relative - we all see things how we want them to be.No our news is the same. But thankfully I have friends who I correspond with who are serving in Iraq. That way I can get the truth.
You should be worried!Ermie wrote:
Truth is relative to a point, sure. But I'll believe what the troops tell me over what Dan Rather tells me any day of the week.Ermie wrote:Isn't truth relative - we all see things how we want them to be.
So long as I don't turn into a monkey!!!nycparrothead wrote:You should be worried!Ermie wrote:
Wait a minute... US?? Are you including Australia? Because I am pretty sure George W. Bush was just re-elected as the president of the U.S.A. Not the U.S.A. and Australia or various other countries.Ermie wrote:I've woken to a nightmare!!!
I can't believe you guys have landed us with another 4 years of Dubya!!! More aggression and wars we don't need!
I agree 100%...it's NOT a choice. I don't remember wondering at age 4 or 8 or 10 or 15 if I wanted to be homosexual or heterosexual. The torture and internal struggle that many gays live with is not because they choose to have a homosexual lifestyle, in my opinion, of course.nycparrothead wrote:Although, I'm sure I won't convince Troy, I used to think that being gay was a choice until I realized that one of my friends in college was gay. I watched the kid cry on many occasions asking why he was so screwed up and why he couldn't just be normal. A genetic defect, maybe. But it certainly isn't a choice they make, that I'm sure of.Ermie wrote:Can we be so sure??? What happened to tolerating differences and not imposing our views on others?I guess when I understood right from wrong.
It's been known to happen to other! Hell! Look at what Troy has become!Ermie wrote:So long as I don't turn into a monkey!!!nycparrothead wrote:You should be worried!Ermie wrote:
Dan Rather!nycparrothead wrote:Truth is relative to a point, sure. But I'll believe what the troops tell me over what Dan Rather tells me any day of the week.Ermie wrote:Isn't truth relative - we all see things how we want them to be.
Ugh! what advise did you give him?nycparrothead wrote:Although, I'm sure I won't convince Troy, I used to think that being gay was a choice until I realized that one of my friends in college was gay. I watched the kid cry on many occasions asking why he was so screwed up and why he couldn't just be normal. A genetic defect, maybe. But it certainly isn't a choice they make, that I'm sure of.Ermie wrote:Can we be so sure??? What happened to tolerating differences and not imposing our views on others?I guess when I understood right from wrong.
Always use lubricant.PHBeerman wrote:what advise did you give him?nycparrothead wrote:Although, I'm sure I won't convince Troy, I used to think that being gay was a choice until I realized that one of my friends in college was gay. I watched the kid cry on many occasions asking why he was so screwed up and why he couldn't just be normal. A genetic defect, maybe. But it certainly isn't a choice they make, that I'm sure of.Ermie wrote:Can we be so sure??? What happened to tolerating differences and not imposing our views on others?I guess when I understood right from wrong.
See previous correspondence on this - and usbecause we end up in the mess as well!!iuparrothead wrote:Wait a minute... US?? Are you including Australia? Because I am pretty sure George W. Bush was just re-elected as the president of the U.S.A. Not the U.S.A. and Australia or various other countries.Ermie wrote:I've woken to a nightmare!!!
I can't believe you guys have landed us with another 4 years of Dubya!!! More aggression and wars we don't need!
So are you saying that you didn't mind when Saddam Hussein was practicing genocide on the citizens of Iraq? Call me crazy, but that's the most heinous form of aggression I can imagine. Is it not okay for the US to play a leadership role in liberating Iraq? But was it okay to take a leadership role in liberating the Balkans from Slobodan Milosevic when Bill Clinton was president?
nycparrothead wrote:Always use lubricant.PHBeerman wrote:what advise did you give him?nycparrothead wrote:Although, I'm sure I won't convince Troy, I used to think that being gay was a choice until I realized that one of my friends in college was gay. I watched the kid cry on many occasions asking why he was so screwed up and why he couldn't just be normal. A genetic defect, maybe. But it certainly isn't a choice they make, that I'm sure of.Ermie wrote:Can we be so sure??? What happened to tolerating differences and not imposing our views on others?I guess when I understood right from wrong.
Unfortunately no... our news is not the same as international news reporting on the U.S. It's not quite as distorted as Al Jazeera, but the international news slanders the U.S. regularly.PHBeerman wrote:No our news is the same. But thankfully I have friends who I correspond with who are serving in Iraq. That way I can get the truth.Ermie wrote:I guess different sides of the world get different perspectives and feed back.Iraqis running up and hugging our troops in mass and playing baseball for the first time is no delusion, it just doesn't make the 6 o'clock news cause death tolls and conspiracies get better ratings.
Why not "quit" receiving?nycparrothead wrote:PHBeerman wrote:what advise did you give him?nycparrothead wrote:Although, I'm sure I won't convince Troy, I used to think that being gay was a choice until I realized that one of my friends in college was gay. I watched the kid cry on many occasions asking why he was so screwed up and why he couldn't just be normal. A genetic defect, maybe. But it certainly isn't a choice they make, that I'm sure of.Ermie wrote:Can we be so sure??? What happened to tolerating differences and not imposing our views on others?I guess when I understood right from wrong.
Always use lubricant.
But do your leaders not choose to willingly? George Bush does not go to Australia and force your troops onto ships and aircraft... obviously your leaders find some merit in liberating Iraq.Ermie wrote:See previous correspondence on this - and usbecause we end up in the mess as well!!iuparrothead wrote:Wait a minute... US?? Are you including Australia? Because I am pretty sure George W. Bush was just re-elected as the president of the U.S.A. Not the U.S.A. and Australia or various other countries.Ermie wrote:I've woken to a nightmare!!!
I can't believe you guys have landed us with another 4 years of Dubya!!! More aggression and wars we don't need!
So are you saying that you didn't mind when Saddam Hussein was practicing genocide on the citizens of Iraq? Call me crazy, but that's the most heinous form of aggression I can imagine. Is it not okay for the US to play a leadership role in liberating Iraq? But was it okay to take a leadership role in liberating the Balkans from Slobodan Milosevic when Bill Clinton was president?
We do get different perspectives - our government likes the same news as your government - I guess that's why I try to get the news from other countries as well as ours.iuparrothead wrote:Unfortunately no... our news is not the same as international news reporting on the U.S. It's not quite as distorted as Al Jazeera, but the international news slanders the U.S. regularly.PHBeerman wrote:No our news is the same. But thankfully I have friends who I correspond with who are serving in Iraq. That way I can get the truth.Ermie wrote:I guess different sides of the world get different perspectives and feed back.Iraqis running up and hugging our troops in mass and playing baseball for the first time is no delusion, it just doesn't make the 6 o'clock news cause death tolls and conspiracies get better ratings.
Maybe I'll mention to your wife that you think that's a good idea.PHBeerman wrote:Why not "quit" receiving?nycparrothead wrote:PHBeerman wrote: what advise did you give him?
Always use lubricant.