THIS is how I feel about it...

bumper · Post by **bumper** » November 19, 2004 11:53 am

a1aara wrote:What are "core moral values" and who get's the final say?

which level do you speak of?

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » November 19, 2004 11:53 am

bumper wrote:
HUH????? you've been reading to much again. The very nature of a free society is choice, to chose to or not and there are many levels of choice from individual, family, group and so on.

I know... reading is BAD. Don't read Locke or Hobbes. Must watch more TV for my opinions.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » November 19, 2004 11:54 am

PHBeerman wrote:
a1aara wrote:What are "core moral values" and who get's the final say?
I would say the final say goes to the majority of those that care enough to get involved.

So Nazi Germany was a-okay with you as long as it was a majorty.

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 19, 2004 11:55 am

Key Lime Lee wrote:
bumper wrote:
HUH????? you've been reading to much again. The very nature of a free society is choice, to chose to or not and there are many levels of choice from individual, family, group and so on.
I know... reading is BAD. Don't read Locke or Hobbes. Must watch more TV for my opinions.

That is what got us to this point in the first place. If nobody was watching on monday this thread would not exist.

bumper · Post by **bumper** » November 19, 2004 11:55 am

jollymon345 wrote:The only people who are making this a race issue are the same people who probably blame everyone of the problems on race. This has nothing to do with race. Was it inappropriate for the spot that it was in? Maybe. Was it indecent? Hell No! Was it racist? Hell No! The reason that Owens was used was because if you ask everybody who is not from Philly or Dallas(or not a huge Philly or Dallas fan) to name 5 players from both teams the only 2 names that would be on every list is Owens and McNabb and Owens was the one who agreed to do it. Is it racist that the 2 most known players on both those teams are black? That just happens to be the way that it is. If anybody feels they need to lower themselves to use the race card than I have no respect for them at all.

Not racist, racial sterotype, huge difference

bumper · Post by **bumper** » November 19, 2004 11:57 am

Key Lime Lee wrote:
bumper wrote:
HUH????? you've been reading to much again. The very nature of a free society is choice, to chose to or not and there are many levels of choice from individual, family, group and so on.
I know... reading is BAD. Don't read Locke or Hobbes. Must watch more TV for my opinions.

thought so

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » November 19, 2004 11:58 am

PHBeerman wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:
bumper wrote:
HUH????? you've been reading to much again. The very nature of a free society is choice, to chose to or not and there are many levels of choice from individual, family, group and so on.
I know... reading is BAD. Don't read Locke or Hobbes. Must watch more TV for my opinions.
That is what got us to this point in the first place. If nobody was watching on monday this thread would not exist.

I'm surprised your bretheren in the "Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil" cult even own TVs.

captainjoe · Post by **captainjoe** » November 19, 2004 12:01 pm

This is all due to the conservative feeling that is sweeping the nation after the election. I think we all need to chill out and not get so tensed up after something like this. This was no big deal. What happens to the people who want to see this or to the people that do not mind seeing this type of tv? Why are their rights not as important as someone who does not like this?

But what should I know, I am just a liberal and we all know that means I am dumb and without "core moral values"

Elrod · Post by **Elrod** » November 19, 2004 12:01 pm

Just be sure to return the books before the due date if you live in Michigan.

CNN wrote:Library offenders could go to jail

BAY CITY, Michigan (AP) -- Keeping library books too long could soon land some readers in jail.

Frustrated librarians want the worst offenders to face criminal charges and up to 90 days behind bars.

semitruths · Post by **semitruths** » November 19, 2004 12:02 pm

a1aara wrote:What are "core moral values" and who get's the final say?

In my house I get the final say (more or less).

As the parent it's my responsibility to provide my children with the ability to 'reason' out the stuff they see on TV (and in life) .. to decide what is right and what is wrong ... to decide what is hype and what is real ... to decide what is rediculous. Me and my son enjoyed watching 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show' together when he was 13 .... but we talked also about the rediculous nature of it (except the spaceship part at the end ... that wass real!!)

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 19, 2004 12:02 pm

Key Lime Lee wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
a1aara wrote:What are "core moral values" and who get's the final say?
I would say the final say goes to the majority of those that care enough to get involved.
So Nazi Germany was a-okay with you as long as it was a majorty.

Ok Lee you are going to extremes here. But, I will respond. Up to a point, Germans believed that Hitler's ideas did fit them. They made the choice at first. Then Hitler went over the edge and payed the price. The Germans made this choice in a free election in 1932. If the Germans could have seen into the future their choice may have been different.

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 19, 2004 12:03 pm

Key Lime Lee wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:
bumper wrote:
HUH????? you've been reading to much again. The very nature of a free society is choice, to chose to or not and there are many levels of choice from individual, family, group and so on.
I know... reading is BAD. Don't read Locke or Hobbes. Must watch more TV for my opinions.
That is what got us to this point in the first place. If nobody was watching on monday this thread would not exist.
I'm surprised your bretheren in the "Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil" cult even own TVs.

Do your cult members?

CaribbnSoul · Post by **CaribbnSoul** » November 19, 2004 12:03 pm

Well, I for one was highly offended by the MNF skit. It was a total shock to see that on prime time TV. I haven't been that disappointed in a network like that in a long time.......I mean, how are they going to have a skit like that and not put Eva Longoria in it??? She is so much hotter! I think they should have tried to get away with a quick ass shot....NYPD Blue used to

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » November 19, 2004 12:07 pm

PHBeerman wrote:
Do your cult members?

Of course... with Cinemax and the Playboy channel and all the p*** we can get our hands on. Kinda hard to be a godless heathenistic anarchist without a TV.

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 19, 2004 12:08 pm

Key Lime Lee wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:
I'm surprised your bretheren in the "Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil" cult even own TVs.
Do your cult members?
Of course... with Cinemax and the Playboy channel and all the p*** we can get our hands on. Kinda hard to be a godless heathenistic anarchist without a TV.

Does your welfare check pay for that too?

bumper · Post by **bumper** » November 19, 2004 12:09 pm

captainjoe wrote:This is all due to the conservative feeling that is sweeping the nation after the election. I think we all need to chill out and not get so tensed up after something like this. This was no big deal. What happens to the people who want to see this or to the people that do not mind seeing this type of tv? Why are their rights not as important as someone who does not like this?

But what should I know, I am just a liberal and we all know that means I am dumb and without "core moral values"

Would you be saying the same if Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Bill Cosby, Tiger Woods, oh wait he married a cracker, made the case instead, not on moral grounds but on sterotypical grounds?

Mr Play · Post by **Mr Play** » November 19, 2004 12:09 pm

PHBeerman wrote:
buffettbride wrote:wFPs.
Less the conservative part.

Maybe conservative isn't the right word - how about concerned? I just mean that I see myself as being accountable for raising my children. With that comes the responsibility to monitor and control what they watch.

Even with that mindset, this wasn't that big a deal to me - that's all I was trying to say.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » November 19, 2004 12:10 pm

PHBeerman wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
a1aara wrote:What are "core moral values" and who get's the final say?
I would say the final say goes to the majority of those that care enough to get involved.
So Nazi Germany was a-okay with you as long as it was a majorty.
Ok Lee you are going to extremes here. But, I will respond. Up to a point, Germans believed that Hitler's ideas did fit them. They made the choice at first. Then Hitler went over the edge and payed the price. The Germans made this choice in a free election in 1932. If the Germans could have seen into the future their choice may have been different.

And what if you had a nation where 51% of the people believed it was okay to exterminate Jews? If that's the core moral value shared by the majority, then you would be okay with a country like that?

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » November 19, 2004 12:11 pm

PHBeerman wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:
I'm surprised your bretheren in the "Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil" cult even own TVs.
Do your cult members?
Of course... with Cinemax and the Playboy channel and all the p*** we can get our hands on. Kinda hard to be a godless heathenistic anarchist without a TV.
Does your welfare check pay for that too?

Of course.

a1aara · Post by **a1aara** » November 19, 2004 12:11 pm

I'm still waiting for an answer to what "core moral values" are?

I agree with semitruths on this one.