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pair8head · Post by **pair8head** » December 20, 2004 11:23 am

mexcooker12 wrote:
CaptainP wrote:
mexcooker12 wrote: Needless to say I still like the rotation of Johnson, Mussina, Pavano, Wright, Brown
3 starters aged 39 or olders, 2 of which looked their age last year (Moose, Brown), 2 who are coming off of 1 good year following careers of disappointment & underachieving (Wright, Pavano). Johnson is still great, but for how long?

Johnson is 41, Mussina is 36, Pavano is 29, Wright is 28, and Brown is 39.

Compare that with Schilling is 38, Wells is 41, wakefield is 38, arroyo is 27 and clement is 30.

Combined the Sox rotation is 1 year older than the Yanks. Granted Wakefield throws a knuckleball so he could probably pitch till he's 50. The one thing in common about these guys is that they are workhorses, Johnson, Mussina, Wells and Schilling are all able to pitch a lot of innings.

I dont see any reason why the Yankees cant get at least 2 solid years from Johnson, he hasnt really showed any signs of letting up.

Wait til that 47 acre back gives out again.

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » December 20, 2004 11:48 am

mexcooker12 wrote: Johnson is 41, Mussina is 36, Pavano is 29, Wright is 28, and Brown is 39.

Compare that with Schilling is 38, Wells is 41, wakefield is 38, arroyo is 27 and clement is 30.

Combined the Sox rotation is 1 year older than the Yanks. Granted Wakefield throws a knuckleball so he could probably pitch till he's 50. The one thing in common about these guys is that they are workhorses, Johnson, Mussina, Wells and Schilling are all able to pitch a lot of innings.

I dont see any reason why the Yankees cant get at least 2 solid years from Johnson, he hasnt really showed any signs of letting up.

Missed my point. Wasn't defending the Sox rotation, just saying the Yanks better temper their expectations...

Over the last 3 years, the three "old guys", Johnson, Mussina, and Brown have combined to miss 62 starts!!!! That's when they were all on different teams. The combined effect of having Brad Halsey pitch that often could be devistating!

As for Pavano and Wright, both are coming off of very good seasons. Prior to 2004, however, Pavano was a career 39-48 with an ERA near 5.00.
He has never had a winning season.
Wright (who also has a history of arm problems), came into last season at 37-37, but hadn't finished above .500 since 1997!!! Even WITH last year, his career ERA is over 5.00.

tequilatom · Post by **tequilatom** » December 20, 2004 6:35 pm

mexcooker12 wrote:I also believe Beltre could be a mistake for the M's. He has only had one good year in the 5 years he has played ball and coincedently was the year he was due up for a new contract. I think hes still real young (25-26?) so maybe those first 4 years could be chalked up to youth, but a lot of baseball experts dont think this is a great deal. Also Sexson has proven to be very injury prone. We'll see how it all works out.

THE RED SOX OFFERED 60 MILLION, HE WANTED 14 MILLION A YEAR . THE PLAN WAS TO SIGN BELTRE,RENTERIA,AND J.D. DREW.THAT IS IF THEY COULD MOVE MANNY.I GUESS YOU COULD MOVE MUELLER TO 2ND.MYSELF I KEEP MANNY.I THINK HE'S THE BEST RIGHT HANDED HITTER IN BASEBALL.

BottleofRum · Post by **BottleofRum** » December 20, 2004 11:35 pm

Red Sox trade Dave Roberts to SD for Jay Payton and Ramon Vazquez, a minor leage player and cash.

Even though he played very little Dave Roberts will always be a legend in Boston

parrothead338 · Post by **parrothead338** » December 21, 2004 2:20 am

Roberts doesn't steal that base then Boston most likely does not win the ALCS and obviously doesn't win the World Series.

Thank you so much Dave Roberts!!!!

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » December 21, 2004 9:53 am

Orlando Cabrera, the free-agent shortstop who helped the Red Sox win their first World Series in 86 years, has agreed to a four-year, $32 million contract with the Angels, the Sporting News has learned.

I'm glad Boston got Matty Clement! He's an awesome dude. I'm happy to see him going to a quality team.

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » December 21, 2004 9:57 am

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3264344

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

RAGTOP · Post by **RAGTOP** » December 21, 2004 10:16 am

iuparrothead wrote:http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3264344

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

poor guy, it's a damn shame, A DAMN SHAME!

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » December 21, 2004 10:55 am

iuparrothead wrote: I'm glad Boston got Matty Clement! He's an awesome dude. I'm happy to see him going to a quality team.

ANd leaving a bad one???

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » December 21, 2004 11:02 am

CaptainP wrote:
iuparrothead wrote: I'm glad Boston got Matty Clement! He's an awesome dude. I'm happy to see him going to a quality team.
ANd leaving a bad one???

WATCH IT!!!

LaTda · Post by **LaTda** » December 21, 2004 11:20 am

Damn, Pedro dissed the wee one, he's going to hell for that one!

Anyway, what's the deal with the Johnson trade? I heard there may be a holdup to the deal by LA?

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » December 21, 2004 11:34 am

LaTda wrote:Damn, Pedro dissed the wee one, he's going to hell for that one!

Anyway, what's the deal with the Johnson trade? I heard there may be a holdup to the deal by LA?

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3266616

Just waiting for approval...

LaTda · Post by **LaTda** » December 21, 2004 11:58 am

iuparrothead wrote:
LaTda wrote:Damn, Pedro dissed the wee one, he's going to hell for that one!

Anyway, what's the deal with the Johnson trade? I heard there may be a holdup to the deal by LA?
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3266616

Just waiting for approval...

~ thanks, I had only caught the teaser & didn't have time for the story to play out..

parrothead338 · Post by **parrothead338** » December 21, 2004 12:49 pm

iuparrothead wrote:Orlando Cabrera, the free-agent shortstop who helped the Red Sox win their first World Series in 86 years, has agreed to a four-year, $32 million contract with the Angels, the Sporting News has learned.

I'm glad Boston got Matty Clement! He's an awesome dude. I'm happy to see him going to a quality team.

I am glad he is coming because I now have an excuse to grow a nasty-ass goatee

As for the Johnson trade... last time I heard that MLB just had to aprove the trade it had to do with ARod coming to Boston. Thank the dear Lord that trade never went down

TheSecretsInTheCrust · December 21, 2004 1:09 pm

Welcome home San Diego native Dave Roberts....

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » December 21, 2004 1:16 pm

parrothead338 wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:I'm glad Boston got Matty Clement! He's an awesome dude. I'm happy to see him going to a quality team.
I am glad he is coming because I now have an excuse to grow a nasty-ass goatee

Hey! Matty has a very well-groomed goatee!

parrothead338 · Post by **parrothead338** » December 21, 2004 1:21 pm

iuparrothead wrote:
parrothead338 wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:I'm glad Boston got Matty Clement! He's an awesome dude. I'm happy to see him going to a quality team.
I am glad he is coming because I now have an excuse to grow a nasty-ass goatee
Hey! Matty has a very well-groomed goatee!

I'll make sure to groom it every morning haha

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » December 21, 2004 5:08 pm

WTF!?!?

Beltran may get $105 million deal

New York Post
The Post's George King reports that signing Carlos Beltran could cost the Yankees $105 million over seven years. The Yankees plan to meet with Beltran's agent today.

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » December 21, 2004 5:40 pm

The Yankees' pitching staff will crash and burn in 2005:
Randy Johnson is 41 and has a bad knee
Kevin Brown is 39 and has a bad head
Mike Mussina is 36 and had the highest ERA of his career last year
Carl Pavano, even with his 18-8 record in 2004, has a losing record for his career and has only won 57 games in 7 years
Jaret Wright won a total of 20 games in his first 2 years but won only 32 more in the next 6 years (15 of them last year)
Tom Gordon is 37 and was overused (a career high in appearances) last year
Mariano Rivera is 35 and was overused (also a career high in appearances) last year

tequilatom · Post by **tequilatom** » December 21, 2004 8:27 pm

iuparrothead wrote:WTF!?!?

Beltran may get $105 million deal

New York Post
The Post's George King reports that signing Carlos Beltran could cost the Yankees $105 million over seven years. The Yankees plan to meet with Beltran's agent today.

I HEARD HIS AGENT WAS AKING FOR 200 MILLION FOR TEN YEARS.YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE MILLIOAIRES YOU WANT.YOU ONLY CAN PLAY 9.I RATHER HAVE A BUNCH OF HARD NOSE PLAYERS THAT PLAY HARD NIGHT AFTER NIGHT.MONEY HELPS BUT A TEAM OF GUYS THAT AREN'T INDIVIDUALS WILL GO A LOT FURTHER.MUSSINA CAN BE HIT,PAVANO HAD ONE GOOD YEAR.AS A MATTER OF FACT MY BROTHER PITCH AGAINST HIM IN LEGION BALL AND BEAT HIM TWICE.AND AS FOR JOHNSON GREAT PITCHER.BUT HE IS 42 WITH BACK PROBLEMS.ALSO THROUGH IN THAT YOUR 8TH AND 9TH HITTERS IN THE AL ARE BETTER THAT THE NL.HERE'S A RUMER I JUST HEARD WITCH I LIKE AS A METS FAN.SOSA GOING TO KC , MIKE SWEENEY TO THE METS AND CLIFF FLOYD TO THE CUBS.PULL THE TRIGGER METS.