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Posted: March 3, 2005 7:42 am
by BestWurst
Sam,
You will not win here.
First, it seems that when "someone” so much as passes gas, these regulars sniff deeply. No offense, just something I seemed to notice, and yes, people can be the most condescending arrogant people when they want to be, which is basically when they hide behind a computer. So relax Sam.
Ok, now back on track to the Shiavo affair. All too often people speak about something before they enlighten themselves with the facts. I myself like to get the facts out there. Simply hugging someone for the sake of hugs, well, that sounds like such fun, but when you do this, you never know when you’re hugging the devil and trust me, he is in the hug line.
Ok, the “facts” may never be known here, but what each of you have failed to mention (one fella started but I only came in because he didn’t finish) is that yes, Michael Schiavo would not allow Terri to get “help”. Some of you “ripped” her parents harshly for wanting to keep her alive, if you knew some of the facts, you would be embarrassed (or should be) for what you said.
Here is how I heard it (just something to think about)
Michael AND TERRI, were awarded millions (about 12 I think) from a lawsuit (I believe from suing the doctors, would have to check the records) They did not receive about 70% of that because the court found Terri 70% responsible for her condition (Due to her self-vomiting that “they say” gave her the heart attack that put her in her condition) so figure about 3 million went to Michael…and….err….Terri?
Now Michael fought hard, he stated he needed this money to give Terri the best care he could give her. He “loved her”. He knew that rehab would be BIG BUCKS!. He (they) won the settlement. They (he) got the money.
Michael then shut Terri’s “rehab” down. Notes were left for the nurses to keep the TV off, the radio off, no attention was given to her in anyway unless it was something Michael couldn’t prevent (By the way, that girl that was in the coma for 20 years, and came out last month? Reports came out that she had knowledge of events that happened AFTER she went into that coma, why?, the radio and TV were on! I don’t know if this is true, but it was reported.)
Ok, so Michael at times being “heard through the hospital walls” (fact) saying “When’s the b**** gonna die” and many other lovely caring sediments, is only NOW (after the Money is gone) saying that Terri told him that she didn’t want to live in a state similar to the one she is in now. No proof of this, no living will, just something he claims she said. But why didn’t he suggest that in court? When he (they) were going for the money?? Curious.
The parents, who in the past, have suggested Michael was “in it for the money” have offered Michael, in the past, the opportunity to just keep the money and let them have Terri. He wouldn’t allow it. They just want Terri. They say, leave us, let us rehab her or at least try…no said Michael.
Question!
Why does Michael want her to die? Why did he want her alive while money was coming in and she couldn’t talk? There are some that think she has dirt on Michael and possibly…POSSIBLY! The story of her condition may have been attributed to something more. He has reportedly been a bastard to her during their married life, many statements have been made about that, and possibly reasons why she began the anorexia in the first place. But lets move on…
Jeb Bush (who one of you trashed earlier because, well, I can see no other reason other than “Bush bashing”) Was enlightened to some of this speculation and decided to try to clear it up before she was put to death and the facts to be buried with her. BAD MAN! Isn’t he? But I guess if Jimmy Buffett stepped in and did this for Terri you would all be out cleaning highways and holding signs…don’t lie, you now you would have, and that’s disgusting.
Ok, so its easy to just push this into an argument of having a living will, or to attack each others Great Uncle, or whatever you are all doing now with this thread. May I suggest a little reading of the facts may be in order?. Leave her poor parents (and Jeb) alone and ask yourself how YOU would be if you were bedridden and your caretaker decided not to cut your finger nails, clean your body, get feminine hygiene, have your teeth cleaned so they fall out, and on and on and on…for 15 years!, THEN! We decided to take your food away.
If you don’t know what you’re commenting about, please think about whether or not you should comment. Her parents have NOT been able to test her 15 years OR help her! That comment someone made about them was ignorant, gross, and way out of line.
P.S.
I have had family members in Florida be under care of others…I KNOW Florida really well. I have “horror stories, ”DON’T think these accusations are not possible.
Posted: March 3, 2005 8:56 am
by captainjoe
BestWurst wrote:
Here is how I heard it (just something to think about)
That line represents that you only heard one version of it. That, right there, indicates that you are trying to pass off your "version" as fact. Nice try.
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:17 am
by BestWurst
captainjoe wrote:BestWurst wrote:
Here is how I heard it (just something to think about)
That line represents that you only heard one version of it. That, right there, indicates that you are trying to pass off your "version" as fact. Nice try.
Wow.
that is quite a leap.
That's clearly NOT what i said. But you know that.
but i will briefly reply...
Better to hear one version and report it as such for the purpose of thought, than to be completely ignorant on the topic and toss out an uneducated opinion in a public forum.
No one really knows the truth but Michael (and God if you believe in that sort of thing).
No offense but, i clearly stated it was what i "heard" as to avoid a comment like this. You however...felt compelled i suppose.
You should try to stay on topic.
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:19 am
by CaribbnSoul
captainjoe wrote:BestWurst wrote:
Here is how I heard it (just something to think about)
That line represents that you only heard one version of it. That, right there, indicates that you are trying to pass off your "version" as fact. Nice try.
I agree...
Also...lets say for instance that what the husband did/said is true. That he was/is an ass, is in it for the money...that really makes no difference. The bottom line is that no one should have to live like that. She is no more than a piece of furniture hooked up to electronics in her current state. I know that sounds harsh, but thats really what she is. Let her out of that life..let her go on peacefully to whatever is next after this life....its embarrassing to any kind of legacy she would like people to remember her by.
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:25 am
by SMLCHNG
BestWurst wrote:You should try to stay on topic.
And we should ALL try to do that, and keep the personal comments to each other to a minimum.
Thanks.
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:28 am
by ph4ever
Best I just have this question for you. Who are you?? On your first post you come here and speak with authority about the people here so either you are a long time lurker or a regular poster that dosn't have the balls to post your opinion under your real name.
Personally I have been following this case for over a year now. At first I was behind the parents 100% then the more I learned about the case I came to realize that she's never ever going to regain any type of life as we know it back. She reminds me of my grandmother right before she passed away from Alzheimer's. Very little there yet ever rare now and then a spark will shine and then quickly fade away.
Should her husband have allowed her parents to try to rehap her? Probably so - it would have been the nice thing to do however the law is on his side in this. When you consider the countless people who lived together in the past who had a partner ill or pass away and the law didn't afford the remaining partner any rights and they were shunned from the hospital/funeral home by the family it clearly indicates a drastic need for changes in the laws of many states.
Could Terri possibly recover and face a life in a non vegative state? Well miracles do happen but the prognosis for this is extremely doubtful.
Since I don't know you I don't know if you are a parent. I don't believe Sam is a parent either. I am a parent. My son means more to me than life itself. I would die or kill for my son. But I would never ever leave him in this state for 15 years nor would he want me to. If I ever would be faced with such a gut wrenching decision to make such as this I would make this decision. And I'm no stranger to this decision being made - I've been there in the room with my aunt and my cousin's wife when they made the decision to turn off his life support so I do know what I speak of. The Terri her parents knew will never come back.
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:28 am
by PHBeerman
SMLCHNG wrote:BestWurst wrote:You should try to stay on topic.
And we should ALL try to do that, and keep the personal comments to each other to a minimum.
Thanks.
If Shane was here could I still make fun of him?
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:29 am
by Gulfbreeze
SMLCHNG wrote:BestWurst wrote:You should try to stay on topic.
And we should ALL try to do that, and keep the personal comments to each other to a minimum.
Thanks.
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:33 am
by RinglingRingling
captainjoe wrote:Is it just me, or is Sam really Ann Coulter in real life?
Ann has better legs.
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:38 am
by RinglingRingling
Four Play wrote:Brown Eyed Girl wrote:You keep saying her husband will gain financially. Can you please post some info to that effect? Lord knows the money she was awarded ran out LONG ago...probably within the first year.
At least one article said the husband stands to gain $1 Million in insurance money when she dies, so I think that's where Sam is coming from. That's the tough part for me, is wondering about the husband's real motive. Even so, it doesn't change my position.
whether he gains the Mill or not doesn't mean that he will get to keep it. I would bet that he has a few bills coming out of this episode that will probably not be satisfied by throwing a million dollars at them.
Too, if he really wanted the money so badly, don't you think he could have arranged to have the plug for the life-support machinery fail a long time ago before the cost grew into the astronomical range?
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:39 am
by Elrod
BestWurst wrote:P.S.
I have had family members in Florida be under care of others…I KNOW Florida really well. I have “horror stories, ”DON’T think these accusations are not possible.
Welcome aboard BW.
You raise a question that I've not seen addressed in this thread. Who is going to take care of Terri when the Schindlers die or are unable to participate in her care everyday? Terry is 41, so it's a fair assumption that her parents are in their 60's.
Visiting a loved one in a nursing home is a labor of love, but definitely labor.
After hearing these stories, and knowing that the accusations are possible, would you want to leave a defenseless loved one in this situation?
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:43 am
by ph4ever
very good point E.
And it's not just Florida where you hear horror stories about nursing home abuse. Unfortunately I believe it's a nation wide problem that also needs to be addressed.
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:47 am
by PHBeerman
Yep did you ever see Happy Gilmore? That nursing home abuse was bad.
I am just trying to lighten up the talk here.
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:53 am
by CaribbnSoul
PHBeerman wrote:Yep did you ever see Happy Gilmore? That nursing home abuse was bad.
I am just trying to lighten up the talk here.
I like...........
BACON 
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:54 am
by BestWurst
[quote="ph4ever"]Best I just have this question for you. Who are you?? On your first post you come here and speak with authority about the people here so either you are a long time lurker or a regular poster that dosn't have the balls to post your opinion under your real name.
isnt this attack getting old?
come on, lets get away from going off topic and questioning someones posts per minute, its old, its hypocritcal, some of you to ask not to get personal and then you go and get personal.
btw, its a question at this point of righting the wrong in my opinion.
Also, if you can go 15 years without helping this woman...surely you can see it in your heart to try it her parents way for...a year or 3?
15 years was ok to do that to her? but you wont let her parents treat her humanely for...a freekin' DAY! come on!
What is Michael afraid of?
If you kill her and bury her...you will more than likely never find out the truth.
PS.
Maybe some people in here go with an alias at times because they are tired of the personal attacks when they state their own opinion on things that differ from the BN norm, the verbose few that set the tone that if you dont follow it they personally attack you for attacking personally.
Maybe they are doing it out of respect for their friends on here, they know some people but can compartmentalize when others cant seem to do that.
The human spirit may make them feel compelled to speak their mind but they still want to be able to go to a JB concert without getting pee'd on.
you know what I'm saying? just possiblities, im sure there are more reasons. Anyway, get past that, posting 100 times a day for 12 straight years is S-C-A-R-Y in my opinion! haha
Posted: March 3, 2005 9:59 am
by CaribbnSoul
Posted: March 3, 2005 10:04 am
by ph4ever
First of all Best I did not attack you. I said you didn't have the balls to post under your real name and you just confirmed my suspicions. I was never rude or mean to you. I didn't make it personal I made an observation.
The difference between me and you is that I hold strong to my convictions. Yea I make mistakes, yea I p*** people off but at least I have the balls to say what's on my mind and let everyone know it's me who's saying it. I have only met one person here on this board who has not forgiven me for my mistakes.
And still the fact of the matter is the LAW is in favor of her husband. You want to right a wrong - then maybe it would be best if you quit hideing behind a facade and do something in a positive light to raise public awareness and change the laws in your state. As far as changing people's minds here on a subject they have already formed an opinion on badgering them to death isn't the way to do it. You don't present a good debate. People's feelings are sometimes non debatable.
Posted: March 3, 2005 10:05 am
by RinglingRingling
BestWurst wrote:Sam,
You will not win here.
First, it seems that when "someone” so much as passes gas, these regulars sniff deeply. No offense, just something I seemed to notice, and yes, people can be the most condescending arrogant people when they want to be, which is basically when they hide behind a computer. So relax Sam.
Ok, now back on track to the Shiavo affair. All too often people speak about something before they enlighten themselves with the facts. I myself like to get the facts out there. Simply hugging someone for the sake of hugs, well, that sounds like such fun, but when you do this, you never know when you’re hugging the devil and trust me, he is in the hug line.
Ok, the “facts” may never be known here, but what each of you have failed to mention (one fella started but I only came in because he didn’t finish) is that yes, Michael Schiavo would not allow Terri to get “help”. Some of you “ripped” her parents harshly for wanting to keep her alive, if you knew some of the facts, you would be embarrassed (or should be) for what you said.
Here is how I heard it (just something to think about)
Michael AND TERRI, were awarded millions (about 12 I think) from a lawsuit (I believe from suing the doctors, would have to check the records) They did not receive about 70% of that because the court found Terri 70% responsible for her condition (Due to her self-vomiting that “they say” gave her the heart attack that put her in her condition) so figure about 3 million went to Michael…and….err….Terri?
Now Michael fought hard, he stated he needed this money to give Terri the best care he could give her. He “loved her”. He knew that rehab would be BIG BUCKS!. He (they) won the settlement. They (he) got the money.
Michael then shut Terri’s “rehab” down. Notes were left for the nurses to keep the TV off, the radio off, no attention was given to her in anyway unless it was something Michael couldn’t prevent (By the way, that girl that was in the coma for 20 years, and came out last month? Reports came out that she had knowledge of events that happened AFTER she went into that coma, why?, the radio and TV were on! I don’t know if this is true, but it was reported.)
Ok, so Michael at times being “heard through the hospital walls” (fact) saying “When’s the b**** gonna die” and many other lovely caring sediments, is only NOW (after the Money is gone) saying that Terri told him that she didn’t want to live in a state similar to the one she is in now. No proof of this, no living will, just something he claims she said. But why didn’t he suggest that in court? When he (they) were going for the money?? Curious.
The parents, who in the past, have suggested Michael was “in it for the money” have offered Michael, in the past, the opportunity to just keep the money and let them have Terri. He wouldn’t allow it. They just want Terri. They say, leave us, let us rehab her or at least try…no said Michael.
Question!
Why does Michael want her to die? Why did he want her alive while money was coming in and she couldn’t talk? There are some that think she has dirt on Michael and possibly…POSSIBLY! The story of her condition may have been attributed to something more. He has reportedly been a bastard to her during their married life, many statements have been made about that, and possibly reasons why she began the anorexia in the first place. But lets move on…
supposition, or do you have solid proof that killing her now would keep her from talking about something?
Jeb Bush (who one of you trashed earlier because, well, I can see no other reason other than “Bush bashing”) Was enlightened to some of this speculation and decided to try to clear it up before she was put to death and the facts to be buried with her. BAD MAN! Isn’t he? But I guess if Jimmy Buffett stepped in and did this for Terri you would all be out cleaning highways and holding signs…don’t lie, you now you would have, and that’s disgusting.
Bush is not family, so until such time as Geo. I, or Babs is on life-support, he really doesn't have a dog in this fight. As for the second part, again you are engaging in supposition without supporting evidence.
Ok, so its easy to just push this into an argument of having a living will, or to attack each others Great Uncle, or whatever you are all doing now with this thread. May I suggest a little reading of the facts may be in order?. Leave her poor parents (and Jeb) alone and ask yourself how YOU would be if you were bedridden and your caretaker decided not to cut your finger nails, clean your body, get feminine hygiene, have your teeth cleaned so they fall out, and on and on and on…for 15 years!, THEN! We decided to take your food away.
you are right. From my point of view, after the first year of that kind of mistreatment, it would have been a lot more humane to kink the airhose or spike the IV with a fatal dose of morphine. Unfortunately, as BEG has said, advances in technology don't necessarily equate to a better quality of life, just a longer one.
If you don’t know what you’re commenting about, please think about whether or not you should comment. Her parents have NOT been able to test her 15 years OR help her! That comment someone made about them was ignorant, gross, and way out of line.
She was married, thus she was not their dependent. While they care deeply about her, their legal right to interfere ended when she said, "I do"
P.S.
I have had family members in Florida be under care of others…I KNOW Florida really well. I have “horror stories, ”DON’T think these accusations are not possible.
Posted: March 3, 2005 10:06 am
by ph4ever
it came into being shortly after Al Gore invented the internet
Posted: March 3, 2005 10:08 am
by rednekkPH
If you feel so strongly about your convictions, there should be no need to hide your identity when you express them. Anything less is just being a *****.
