BuffettNews.com

Sam wrote:One: Key Lime Lee blatantantly accused me of starting the insults here...........

Sam wrote:I refer you to the past and previous post as evidence and I refer you to Key Kime Lee's post accysing me of starting this.

Sam, the melodrama is hilarious. I assume you're referring to this?

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote: Who tossed out the first insults in an otherwise civil conversation???

You.

Woof. Quite the blazing condemnation on my part. And here I thought I was answering a direct question from you.

Sam wrote:Their business and only a fool or an idiot would claim there are no far reaching repercussions to come from this case....

How can there be far-reaching reprecussions? What exactly is it you think the courts are going to decide?

Sam - it's ALREADY LEGAL to take someone off life support. They can't make it MORE LEGAL.

Therefore, if she's taken off of life support, nothing changes from a legal stand point.

The ONLY QUESTION ON THE TABLE in this case is who has the authority to make the decision to pull the plug in the absense of a living will.

Ahoy! me thinks this thread hear needs more jacking! AARRRRGH!

Just a quick note here before turning in for the night.

Sam-I truly do appreciate and respect your passion on this subject, despite disagreeing with you in many ways.

Though I know you are not including me in your comments about "them", I do acknowledge that the conversation between husband and wife may not have taken place, and I do acknowledge the possibility that this may not be what she wanted. This is, in that regard, the sad reality for those who face this sort of tragedy without written documentation of intention.

I don't know what the husband's motives are, or, for that matter, what her parents motives are. If, as someone suggested much earlier today, the parents offered to let him keep the money if he turned over authority and he said no, I would find that reassuring that is is not about money, but I don't know.

So yes, many of us may be imposing our own values to how we view this case, as we do so often in life when faced with a lack of tangible evidence.

I do know where the law stands, and that is clear, in my opinion, and in that sense this will not be a groundbreaking case. If there is any ground to be broken here, it may be in case law regarding who has the legal right to make the decision.

As I think I said before, I don't always know where I would draw the line, but I am very clear on this one, even if I do not know every last detail of this case, because I support the law as it currently exists. That is why I get so upset with government interfering in this kind of personal matter.

I appreciate and respect your passion, and would guess that much of it comes from the most difficult situations your family has faced of late.

And I wish that those of us that would choose to continue respectful dialogue could do so without threads being hijacked-there are so many places on buffettnews to have fun that it is disappointing that some good serious conversation deteriorated so rapidly and so totally.

Lee YOU THOUGHT???

Please let us know when it comes time to starve you to death....

Sam wrote:Lee YOU THOUGHT???

Please let us know when it comes time to starve you to death....

Dude, that doesn't even make any sense.

Hey! Look over there! It's a cloud!

Sam wrote:Four Play;
My apologies to you and I do feel you were attacking or insulting with them! Yes I did miss your questions I will go find them and try to answer them though I will not disagree with the answers provided so far.
I am not dodging or avoiding you and I do feel you deserve an answer and I respect your views as you respect mine.

I dug them up for you...page 6 I think. Thanks!

Four Play wrote:Sam -

In my post last night I tried to answer the questions about where I draw the line. Let me know if I missed any pressing questions, and I'll give them some serious thought. In return I'd like to ask a few questions of you.

Where do you draw the line?
What level of support should be given to keep someone in a vegetative state?
How long should the support be given?
Who should have authority to remove artificial support in the absence of a living will?
Who should be responsible for the financial cost - the husband? parents? insurance? tax money?

I am truly sorry for your losses. At this point I'm just trying to understand your position a little better.

Key Lime Lee wrote:It's inaccurate to suggest that if they are allowed to remove the feeding tube from Terry Shaivo that it sets a dangerous precedent or starts us down a slipperly slope. That's just not true.

Why?

Because this is not a precedent-setting case by any means. It's perfectly legal to remove folks from life support and yet the sky has not fallen and Hawking is not a candidate for euthanasia.

The incessant mention of Hawking as an example of how far euthanasia could go if we let Shaivo die is dramatic, but not realistic. It's a baseless and irrational suggestion.

Really, the biggest issue in this case is not even about euthanasia... it's about who has the right to make decisions about continuing or abandoning life support in the absense of a living will.

As such, the whole dicussion about the ethics of euthanasia, while interesting, is actually irrelevant to this case.

Well, when your best argument is to stampede the weak-minded in the herd in hopes of getting one or two to fall behind and then cut them down... more things get done in the name of ignorance and fear than enlightenment and courage...

and again I say: pull the plug, pull the tube, spike the painkiller IV, and write it off as a way of granting some small scrap of dignity to an otherwise ugly mess.

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Lee YOU THOUGHT???

Please let us know when it comes time to starve you to death....

Dude, that doesn't even make any sense.

it's Sam's effort at trying to insult you for insults he halluci, er, perceived. Maybe we could all chip in and buy Sam a couple quaaludes and let this thread calm down.


By the way? Anyone hear the big news out of Canada? CBC was talking about 4 junior (little time-in-grade) Mounties getting killed this morning before I came into work.

All I can say is WOW!!! I got up early, jumped on here and read this whole thing in one sitting. I had seen the thread before and never clicked on it. Just not that interested in the subject. The whole case is none of my business. Having said that, what a great read. Never got how KLL lied or insulted anyone. Can someone point it out? Ah, who cares? This is good stuff.
For the record, I would have yanked to tube a long time ago.

they sure are making soap boxes sturdier theses days aren't they?

have we ever figured out who BestWurst is?

CaribbnSoul wrote:have we ever figured out who BestWurst is?

there's a poll on another thread. A pool poll or poll poll - whichever

CaribbnSoul wrote:have we ever figured out who BestWurst is?

someone Sam recruited to avoid being the only one in the thread jumping up and down and screaming at KLL?

Hey Connie, what are you wearing?

Damnit, apparently I missed one hell of a night here last night.

How's your head, Troy?

rednekkPH wrote:Damnit, apparently I missed one hell of a night here last night.

How's your head, Troy?

Not bad. But let me tell you the 4:30 alarm telling me to get my ass to the gym really sucked.

PHBeerman wrote:Hey Connie, what are you wearing?

whatever I could find to throw on - let me see.....


jeans, tennis shoes, socks, yep - I did put on panties today, bra's there and a top

PHBeerman wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:

ph4ever wrote:unless he's put on weight since Nissan. Oh but there is the other size issue OF WHICH I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IN EITHER CASE

Hmmmm.. I can not comment.

I am glad you are obeying that gag order.

First it was shortcomings now it's gagging. Come clean, which is it?

LIPH wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:

ph4ever wrote:unless he's put on weight since Nissan. Oh but there is the other size issue OF WHICH I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IN EITHER CASE

Hmmmm.. I can not comment.

I am glad you are obeying that gag order.

First it was shortcomings now it's gagging. Come clean, which is it?

no gagging here I think Penny said she dosn't gag either