Please pray for Terri Schiavo

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » March 8, 2005 2:54 pm

Elrod wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
Elrod wrote:Now if we could just get some legislation enacted to reduce the retail price of beer and liquor....
I would support that.
So there's support for this in two time zones, I'd count that as half the country.

Make that 3/4 of the country...

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » March 8, 2005 2:56 pm

Elrod wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
Elrod wrote:Now if we could just get some legislation enacted to reduce the retail price of beer and liquor....
I would support that.
So there's support for this in two time zones, I'd count that as half the country.

Good thing I am in the Mountain Time Zone. I doubt Salt Lake City would be much support.

Elrod · Post by **Elrod** » March 8, 2005 2:59 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
Elrod wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
Elrod wrote:Now if we could just get some legislation enacted to reduce the retail price of beer and liquor....
I would support that.
So there's support for this in two time zones, I'd count that as half the country.
Make that 3/4 of the country...

This should be enacted in record time!

Sam · Post by **Sam** » March 8, 2005 3:08 pm

I read the article Connie provided.

I do question some of the details of it, I admit that is me and my choice. just as it is one's choice to do so.

The person writing the article, clearly states they are his observations and opinions, in the opening statement and has no personal knowledge of either family involved.

All we are doing here is much the same.....voicing opinions and feelings.

I would like to remind people of the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take.
What does it say in there about "...do no harm...."?

I also want to remind you killing her is permanent. Not all doctors are perfect and are ever 100% correct. They are human.... If you want to starve someone to death so be it. Does the person feel pain? Who can really tell us? They can give us best guesses is all.

You want to kill her so badly, well it is your concious and self to live with.
If you cannot admit the possibility of not knowing or even understand the questioning of the husband's motive....or that the doctors could be wrong.
If she is not inside, she cannot be suffering or in pain can she?
What if she is inside? Then she has been for 15 years and her husband only finnally decided after 8 years to recall a one time conversation and to bring it up.Okies some have no problem with that...some do have a problem with that. I know I have a problem with it.

Then we have what the Pope said....I wonder if anyone really noticed what the Pope said....
*************************************************************
Connie, You are flata$$ed wrong about your earlier post and response to me. No need for me to go back over it, just as there is no need for me to restate my views. They have been said several times and miscontrued several times.

I had no insults with anyone and had several exchanges with several people before the insults started. How people percieve things in this medium i sup to them....

That seems to happen ALOT in here and perhaps this sort of medium in general as it seems to happen all over the internet.
People do not have the visual clues or the inflection ones has when actually talking with someone in real life.

FWIW, I never said cliques were bad or good. I only said there was a clique here. Thank you for finally admitting the clique is alive and well here. Do I have a clique? Maybe/maybe not.... my friends are eclectic and diverse. I associate with whomever. Maybe you will try to tell me I am in many cliques. Go for it...I really don't care....the people are my friends is all I can and will say. I am most happy to know that if you are correct! Everyone needs to belong to something!

I do thank all of the people that supported and offered prayers and Phinpower in the tragic events that occured in that last trip around the Sun for me and my family. They and their thoughts and kind words are not forgotten.

*************************************************************
Nice to meet you Stuart

BestWurst.... Come on down!!!! You have an open invite to as well. To show how shallow and non insulting some of the people in here can be and are, did you notice they started a thread and betting you were me?
Yet I am the one that is accused of casting the first stone...???

It seems simply because we oppose the view of the majority and apparently in here that is never a good thing to do...because some people... Ow well, that is there choice to decide. Meanwhile enjoy the individuals and the various good people.

Not everyone in here is like that. There are many good people in here. Not everyone has the same view and sometimes people misread and misunderstand more often than others. Do you find it the least bit ironic how often some people accuse others of telling people how to think or that they have the only thoughts on an issue?

I did not come in here insulting. I did not come in here looking for any arguements. I just posted my views. Just as you and everyone else has done. Yet a few in here have accused me and you of what??? Don't let'em get you down.

Stay safe and Keep the Faith!

creeky · Post by **creeky** » March 8, 2005 3:12 pm

I would like to just post .... as a TOTALLY impartial person, as I live in another country and have no idea who it is you are talking about, but have the basics of the discussion ...

This is a TOTALLY moral argument. It is along the lines of where Abortion should be legal or not that we are having here in Australia at the moment.

As it is a MORAL issue - you will have people either side of the fence - and that is their right.

No amount of posts... words........ arguments..... insults....... persuasion will make someone change their moral stance .....

Thats just how it is ...

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » March 8, 2005 3:15 pm

Sam there have been several people that contributed to that website and on that site you will find a copy of the Guardian Ad Litem report. The Guardian represents Terri as appointed by the courts. I have been doing quite a bit of research on this and the Guardian Ad Litem report is most interesting.

As far as the Pope goes please realize that not everyone considers the Pope to be final authority on moral issues.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » March 8, 2005 3:18 pm

creeky wrote:I would like to just post .... as a TOTALLY impartial person, as I live in another country and have no idea who it is you are talking about, but have the basics of the discussion ...

This is a TOTALLY moral argument. It is along the lines of where Abortion should be legal or not that we are having here in Australia at the moment.

As it is a MORAL issue - you will have people either side of the fence - and that is their right.

No amount of posts... words........ arguments..... insults....... persuasion will make someone change their moral stance .....

Thats just how it is ...

This is also a legal issue here in the states regarding guardianship over a person that has been declared in a vegative state where the majority of physicians treating her state there is no way this state will be reversed.

Sam · Post by **Sam** » March 8, 2005 3:20 pm

Elrod wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:Elrod, it hasn't been introduced yet . Scheduled to be introduced later today. Until it is introduced, there is no way to assign a bill number to it.
You sound like you're familiar with this process.

Now if we could just get some legislation enacted to reduce the retail price of beer and liquor....

Actually there was bill to reduce the taxes on beer or the "beer tax bill was to expire or something like that cause it affected the "lower class".

Guess who opposed the reduction of that tax? For starters M.A.D.

Sam · Post by **Sam** » March 8, 2005 3:39 pm

ph4ever wrote:Sam there have been several people that contributed to that website and on that site you will find a copy of the Guardian Ad Litem report. The Guardian represents Terri as appointed by the courts. I have been doing quite a bit of research on this and the Guardian Ad Litem report is most interesting.

As far as the Pope goes please realize that not everyone considers the Pope to be final authority on moral issues.

Connie, There are many people posting views and opines, in here and elsewhere, as I am sure you have noticed. Beyond the hi jack attempts...we have how many pages of opines?

That does not make anyones view or opine, any more or any less correct...just our views. One thing for sure killing her is permanent.

All consider Terri's situation to be tragic and some want to give her every chance at life. Apparently there are those that those that think terminating her life support, i.e. killing her by starving her to death, is perfectly acceptable and humane. That is their choice to decide.

As far as the Pope goes...I did not bring up what the Pope said.
Someone else did.
I am well aware many are not Catholic and have no faith or find meaning or care in what the Pope had/has to say or opined.

I CLEARLY stated I AM NOT Catholic, elsewhere.

If you don't like the mentioning of the Pope's commentarys or opines or whatever you want to call them...

The blog you used even mentioned/referenced what the Pope said....
Perhaps you missed the mention of that...I don't know.

How-so-ever, because some do not find meaning in the Pope's words, views, opines, does not change the fact, that there are many out there who do....

creeky · Post by **creeky** » March 8, 2005 3:40 pm

ph4ever wrote:
creeky wrote:I would like to just post .... as a TOTALLY impartial person, as I live in another country and have no idea who it is you are talking about, but have the basics of the discussion ...

This is a TOTALLY moral argument. It is along the lines of where Abortion should be legal or not that we are having here in Australia at the moment.

As it is a MORAL issue - you will have people either side of the fence - and that is their right.

No amount of posts... words........ arguments..... insults....... persuasion will make someone change their moral stance .....

Thats just how it is ...

This is also a legal issue here in the states regarding guardianship over a person that has been declared in a vegative state where the majority of physicians treating her state there is no way this state will be reversed.

I understand that - from bits I have read.

Most of the discussion here is moral based - all I was getting at - and no one will change peoples morals .....

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » March 8, 2005 3:49 pm

Sam wrote:
ph4ever wrote:Sam there have been several people that contributed to that website and on that site you will find a copy of the Guardian Ad Litem report. The Guardian represents Terri as appointed by the courts. I have been doing quite a bit of research on this and the Guardian Ad Litem report is most interesting.

As far as the Pope goes please realize that not everyone considers the Pope to be final authority on moral issues.
Connie, There are many people posting views and opines, in here and elsewhere, as I am sure you have noticed. Beyond the hi jack attempts...we have how many pages of opines?

That does not make anyones view or opine, any more or any less correct...just our views. One thing for sure killing her is permanent.

All consider Terri's situation to be tragic and some want to give her every chance at life. Apparently there are those that those that think terminating her life support, i.e. killing her by starving her to death, is perfectly acceptable and humane. That is their choice to decide.

As far as the Pope goes...I did not bring up what the Pope said.
Someone else did.
I am well aware many are not Catholic and have no faith or find meaning or care in what the Pope had/has to say or opined.

I CLEARLY stated I AM NOT Catholic, elsewhere.

If you don't like the mentioning of the Pope's commentarys or opines or whatever you want to call them...

The blog you used even mentioned/referenced what the Pope said....
Perhaps you missed the mention of that...I don't know.

How-so-ever, because some do not find meaning in the Pope's words, views, opines, does not change the fact, that there are many out there who do....

Sam aparently my doing research and contributing to the discussion offends you in some manor.

I'm not just stating read the opinion of some everyday person like you and me off the street. The Guardian Ad Litem was appointed by the courts to research the 30,000 some odd pages of legal and medical papers regarding Teri and render his interpertations. Yes he is just a man but he is a very educated man appointed by the courts. His findings and report have a direct bearing on the case at hand.

As far as me overlooking the blog's mention of the Pope's statement. I am overlooking any religous aspect of this case right now and looking at the medical facts regarding the possibility of her ability to recover. I thought the Guardian Ad Litem report was interesting and thought someone else who might be doing some further research might want to take a look at it as all.

I'm posting interesting information I find as I find it. I hope that dosn't bother you.

mermaidindisguise · Post by **mermaidindisguise** » March 8, 2005 4:17 pm

I tried not to go on this thread - but you know what they say about curiosity....

It's just getting a little old with certain people saying that they only want to state their opinion and they are not throwing insults... but they are calling people who want to end someone's suffering "murderer's" and comparing people to Hitler. You can voice your opinion without offending others. Some of us agree to end the suffering.. some of us do not agree.

I have a great deal of empathy and I can put myself (as best as I can) in Terri's place - laying in a bed day after day... year after year.....not ever moving on my own. Not being able to function - yet maybe somehow aware of my surroundings. Not being able to love... hug someone.. kiss.... laugh.... go on vacation.... enjoy time with friends... I am feeling like it would be some kind of horrible state of limbo where I am not alive enough to do the things I love ... and not dead enough to be in heaven - which I'm thinking is not such a bad place. To be stuck in that state for 15 years is a punishment I would never want - nor want for anyone else. This holding on that so many people want for Terri - is it really a good thing.. to prolong someone from going to heaven - We are suppossed to embrace heaven - not keep someone suffering to avoid it. When Terri finally passes and goes to a better place I am willing to bet she will feel better than she does now - if she feels at all. I will never feel - or let someone make me feel guilty because I want someone to be free and at peace - 2 things that Terri Schiavo will never have as long as she is in a bed with tubes sticking out of her.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » March 8, 2005 4:22 pm

mermaidindisguise wrote:I tried not to go on this thread - but you know what they say about curiosity....

It's just getting a little old with certain people saying that they only want to state their opinion and they are not throwing insults... but they are calling people who want to end someone's suffering "murderer's" and comparing people to Hitler. You can voice your opinion without offending others. Some of us agree to end the suffering.. some of us do not agree.

I have a great deal of empathy and I can put myself (as best as I can) in Terri's place - laying in a bed day after day... year after year.....not ever moving on my own. Not being able to function - yet maybe somehow aware of my surroundings. Not being able to love... hug someone.. kiss.... laugh.... go on vacation.... enjoy time with friends... I am feeling like it would be some kind of horrible state of limbo where I am not alive enough to do the things I love ... and not dead enough to be in heaven - which I'm thinking is not such a bad place. To be stuck in that state for 15 years is a punishment I would never want - nor want for anyone else. This holding on that so many people want for Terri - is it really a good thing.. to prolong someone from going to heaven - We are suppossed to embrace heaven - not keep someone suffering to avoid it. When Terri finally passes and goes to a better place I am willing to bet she will feel better than she does now - if she feels at all. I will never feel - or let someone make me feel guilty because I want someone to be free and at peace - 2 things that Terri Schiavo will never have as long as she is in a bed with tubes sticking out of her.

mermaidindisguise · Post by **mermaidindisguise** » March 8, 2005 5:07 pm

you are my new hero......... lol
If we couldn't laugh... you know the rest!!

jxnparrothead · Post by **jxnparrothead** » March 8, 2005 5:14 pm

Wait a damn minute. Isn't that Phyllis Diller???

houston hal · Post by **houston hal** » March 8, 2005 5:14 pm

Don't tell but it's 157!

jxnparrothead · Post by **jxnparrothead** » March 8, 2005 5:20 pm

I guess this is the fast food joint of feeding tubes....

houston hal · Post by **houston hal** » March 8, 2005 5:25 pm

Maybe she can hook up with Hunter Thompson!

Mr Play · Post by **Mr Play** » March 8, 2005 5:25 pm

hal and jxn - your pictures are tasteless and inappropriate. Please remove them.

houston hal · Post by **houston hal** » March 8, 2005 5:29 pm

I find your name inappropriate. My child is offended by such filth!!!!

Remove this :

To each his own.

To dust to dust!