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Having not followed this story, I thought I heard the husband has already had a child with another woman.


That being said, this case has made both my wife and I to file a living will. While I am sure the parents do not want to give up under any circumstances, I believe that they need to let their daughter go.

"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead"

...........nuf said

Schiavo Parents Seek Divorce for Daughter

By VICKIE CHACHERE
Associated Press Writer

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- Terri Schiavo's parents asked a judge Monday to allow the severely brain-damaged woman to divorce her husband, accusing him of adultery and not acting in his wife's best interests.

It was one of a flurry of 11 motions filed by Bob and Mary Schindler, who have less than three weeks to find a way to keep their daughter alive.

Michael Schiavo says his wife, who has spent 15 years in what doctors call a vegetative state, once told him she would never want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents have fought his efforts but Pinellas Circuit Court Judge George Greer ruled that Schiavo can have her feeding tube removed on March 18.

The Schindlers' attorney, David Gibbs, said Greer had indicated he will not hear the divorce request and five of the other motions filed Monday, but that only means that the matters are now on their way to being appealed.

Appearing at a rally in Jacksonville, the Schindlers called on Gov. Jeb Bush to look into the circumstances that led to their daughter's 1990 collapse and asked Attorney General Charlie Crist to investigate whether Terri Schiavo's civil rights have been violated.

"We have filed divorce proceedings because of (Michael Schiavo's) total disregard for Terri as his wife," Bob Schindler said. "He is married to Terri, but he is living with another woman and he has two children by her. It has become quite obvious that his priorities are not in Terri's best interest."

"Remaining married to him is an embarrassment," Gibbs said.

Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, called the new motions little more than an attempt to clog the case with further delays. Felos has said even if Michael Schiavo were to divorce his wife, any new guardian would be obligated to remove Terri Schiavo's feeding tube because the court has ruled it is her wish not to be kept alive artificially.





"I think everyone knows the parents are going to try anything, including throwing in the kitchen sink, to frustrate the court's final judgment and Terri's wishes," Felos said.

Other motions by the Schindlers ask that some news reporters be allowed to see Terri Schiavo's interactions with her parents, since they contend she responds to them; that they be allowed to take pictures with her before she dies and that those photographs not become Michael Schiavo's property, as a current court order now requires; that she be allowed to die at home; and that they be allowed to bury her rather than the cremation her husband has planned.

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Bocanut wrote:Now the parents are attempting to move for a divorce. Good Lord!!!!!!!!!


Now who's the scum bags?

True. I think the parents are being very selfish in this situation. Sure, they don't want to give up hope...but even the slightest reality check would be nice

Sam wrote:Again I ask of you who is next..........Stephen Hawking, perhaps?

Is he in a vegitative state on life support?

Last I knew, he was consious AND mobile...

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Again I ask of you who is next..........Stephen Hawking, perhaps?

Is he in a vegitative state on life support?

Last I knew, he was consious AND mobile...

Tell us,.... is he up and walking around? Tell us us just how mobile he actually is without that motorized chair and special care he recieves.

Tell us just how self sufficient he is....

You seem so eager to kill off anyone that is defficient ..... tell us would you kill him off??? Are you saying you only let him live only because he is concious??? If he were unconcious would you feel differently???

Tell us what basis you will decide on who lives and who dies. Where will it end? Will you only allow "blonde hair blue eyed people" to live? Perhaps only people with certain genetic markers...? Anyone in longterm care facility that is in a coma?

Perhaps that would make you most happy....I do not know...

It can easily come down to that......Melodramatic? Extremist views? Tell that to the "Undesirables" in Nazi Germany.....like the Atomic Genie once that door is open......

Tell us who you want to starve to death next.........

oops

Sam wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Again I ask of you who is next..........Stephen Hawking, perhaps?

Is he in a vegitative state on life support?

Last I knew, he was consious AND mobile...

Tell us,.... is he up and walking around? Tell us us just how mobile he actually is without that motorized chair and special care he recieves.

Tell us just how self sufficient he is....

You seem so eager to kill off anyone that is defficient ..... tell us would you kill him off??? Are you saying you only let him live only because he is concious??? If he were unconcious would you feel differently???

Tell us what basis you will decide on who lives and who dies. Where will it end? Will you only allow "blonde hair blue eyed people" to live? Perhaps only people with certain genetic markers...? Anyone in longterm care facility that is in a coma?

Perhaps that would make you most happy....I do not know...

It can easily come down to that......Melodramatic? Extremist views? Tell that to the "Undesirables" in Nazi Germany.....like the Atomic Genie once that door is open......

Tell us who you want to starve to death next.........

hahahah! your melodramatic passages brighten my day the most... Thanks for the laugh!

Hawking is conscious and alert. Terry Schaivo is not. If you can't tell the difference than you've done too many drugs.

ParrotheadGator wrote:

Bocanut wrote:Now the parents are attempting to move for a divorce. Good Lord!!!!!!!!!


Now who's the scum bags?

True. I think the parents are being very selfish in this situation. Sure, they don't want to give up hope...but even the slightest reality check would be nice

Do you have any children ? What would you do to save their life? Woul you consider yourself selfish for wanting to give them every chance you could?

Note that the article says she alledgedly only told him ONE time. No witnesses....no one else ever heard her say it.......

Michael Schiavo says his wife, who has spent 15 years in what doctors call a vegetative state, once told him she would never want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents have fought his efforts but Pinellas Circuit Court Judge George Greer ruled that Schiavo can have her feeding tube removed on March 18.

Seems pretty thin to me with the money involved....

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Again I ask of you who is next..........Stephen Hawking, perhaps?

Is he in a vegitative state on life support?

Last I knew, he was consious AND mobile...

Tell us,.... is he up and walking around? Tell us us just how mobile he actually is without that motorized chair and special care he recieves.

Tell us just how self sufficient he is....

You seem so eager to kill off anyone that is defficient ..... tell us would you kill him off??? Are you saying you only let him live only because he is concious??? If he were unconcious would you feel differently???

Tell us what basis you will decide on who lives and who dies. Where will it end? Will you only allow "blonde hair blue eyed people" to live? Perhaps only people with certain genetic markers...? Anyone in longterm care facility that is in a coma?

Perhaps that would make you most happy....I do not know...

It can easily come down to that......Melodramatic? Extremist views? Tell that to the "Undesirables" in Nazi Germany.....like the Atomic Genie once that door is open......

Tell us who you want to starve to death next.........

hahahah! your melodramatic passages brighten my day the most... Thanks for the laugh!

Hawking is conscious and alert. Terry Schaivo is not. If you can't tell the difference than you've done too many drugs.

Melodramatic? Tell me when you have had 3 sibblings and a parent on life support ... until then....as someone else said something about walking in others shoes.....So go ahead and laugh your A$$ off....I would expect nothing less from you.

I notice you fail to answer my questions on where you would end it! That says it all.....

Sam wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Again I ask of you who is next..........Stephen Hawking, perhaps?

Is he in a vegitative state on life support?

Last I knew, he was consious AND mobile...

Tell us,.... is he up and walking around? Tell us us just how mobile he actually is without that motorized chair and special care he recieves.

Tell us just how self sufficient he is....

You seem so eager to kill off anyone that is defficient ..... tell us would you kill him off??? Are you saying you only let him live only because he is concious??? If he were unconcious would you feel differently???

Tell us what basis you will decide on who lives and who dies. Where will it end? Will you only allow "blonde hair blue eyed people" to live? Perhaps only people with certain genetic markers...? Anyone in longterm care facility that is in a coma?

Perhaps that would make you most happy....I do not know...

It can easily come down to that......Melodramatic? Extremist views? Tell that to the "Undesirables" in Nazi Germany.....like the Atomic Genie once that door is open......

Tell us who you want to starve to death next.........

hahahah! your melodramatic passages brighten my day the most... Thanks for the laugh!

Hawking is conscious and alert. Terry Schaivo is not. If you can't tell the difference than you've done too many drugs.

Melodramatic? Tell me when you have had 3 sibblings and a parent on life support ... until then....as someone else said something about walking in others shoes.....So go ahead and laugh your A$$ off....I would expect nothing less from you.

I notice you fail to answer my questions on where you would end it! That says it all.....

Alright then.
If you are not being melodramatic (I'll give you the benefit here based on what you've described as YOUR personal experiences with this subject),
then how about just admitting that you are TERRIBLY SENSITIVE to this question and are really not OPEN TO DEBATE.
That's doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

I am suggesting this because the questions you have raised in a few earlier posts just sound too far-flung to be included in this discussion.
They don't come off as relevant, and that's why others are dodging them, if not belittling them.
I am sorry for your difficult past experiences with this issue.

Lightning Bolt wrote:

Sam wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Again I ask of you who is next..........Stephen Hawking, perhaps?

Is he in a vegitative state on life support?

Last I knew, he was consious AND mobile...

Tell us,.... is he up and walking around? Tell us us just how mobile he actually is without that motorized chair and special care he recieves.

Tell us just how self sufficient he is....

You seem so eager to kill off anyone that is defficient ..... tell us would you kill him off??? Are you saying you only let him live only because he is concious??? If he were unconcious would you feel differently???

Tell us what basis you will decide on who lives and who dies. Where will it end? Will you only allow "blonde hair blue eyed people" to live? Perhaps only people with certain genetic markers...? Anyone in longterm care facility that is in a coma?

Perhaps that would make you most happy....I do not know...

It can easily come down to that......Melodramatic? Extremist views? Tell that to the "Undesirables" in Nazi Germany.....like the Atomic Genie once that door is open......

Tell us who you want to starve to death next.........

hahahah! your melodramatic passages brighten my day the most... Thanks for the laugh!

Hawking is conscious and alert. Terry Schaivo is not. If you can't tell the difference than you've done too many drugs.

Melodramatic? Tell me when you have had 3 sibblings and a parent on life support ... until then....as someone else said something about walking in others shoes.....So go ahead and laugh your A$$ off....I would expect nothing less from you.

I notice you fail to answer my questions on where you would end it! That says it all.....

Alright then.
If you are not being melodramatic (I'll give you the benefit here based on what you've described as YOUR personal experiences with this subject),
then how about just admitting that you are TERRIBLY SENSITIVE to this question and are really not OPEN TO DEBATE.
That's doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

I am suggesting this because the questions you have raised in a few earlier posts just sound too far-flung to be included in this discussion.
They don't come off as relevant, and that's why others are dodging them, if not belittling them.
I am sorry for your difficult past experiences with this issue.

ONE> I can back up up everything I said about my family!

TWO> Let me know when you have went through it!

THREE>Unfortunately I have some first hand experience and knowledge, more than I ever wanted.

FOUR>overly sensitive? just where do you get off at? Tell us who the hell you want to starve to death next and WHERE you you will draw the line.
I see nothing unreasonable or overly sensitive in asking where you want to draw the line and say who lives and who dies and who you want to starve to death next!. Disturbing questions that you opined on now...Put up or shut up! Care to walk in my shoes? There is much more that I could say but I will not bother. I see it is useless to even try...

FIVE> What would you do to protect your child's life?

SIX> what is so hard or "overly sensitive" about these questions that all of you that are so eager to see a woman starve ro death refuse to answer? Would you be so eager and so willing to allow your child to starve to death?


SEVEN> Enjoy life while you can, you never know when your number is going to be called.....meanwhile keep starving people to death...quite a few of you seem to think it is humane and the right thing to do. I am most glad to know that I am not one of them.

Sam wrote:
Melodramatic? Tell me when you have had 3 sibblings and a parent on life support ...

And what does that have to do with your paranoia about the potential early demise of Mr. Hawking? Or the broad implication that I utterly fail to value life?

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:
Melodramatic? Tell me when you have had 3 sibblings and a parent on life support ...

And what does that have to do with your unnatural paranoia about the future demise of Steven Hawking????

You're a paranoid freak Sam, but I'll love you anyway.

I can do without your unwanted plastic love and your condesending attitude. The only person you might fool is yourself cause you damn sure don't fool me! Let me know when you been there and you want to get real and knock off the petty A$$ed insults and BS.

Let me know when you have buried 5 sibblings and your parents.....

Until then...........have a nice life and stay out of mine with your comments about me doing too many drugs and suffering paranoia or what the BLEEP ever, snide comments you have made about my life.
I will take my life with the losses and pain and all, over what passes for your plastic insulting existance.

Sam, knowing what you went thru with your family, I will understand if you can't or don't want to answer this question.

Would you have kept them on life support for 15 years if given that opportunity? I'm curious, since I really don't know anyone who has been in a situation like that, except for you, if you understand what I mean.

And even though Terri is their child, she is a grown woman. I wonder if people's feelings would be different if she were indeed a child?

I went thru a lot of this type discussion in college while dealing with head trauma clients. For me it has always come down to quality of life. If there is no quality of life, if I am a shell of what I once was, if I am merely existing, please pull the plug. I know my family feels the same as well...but it is indeed a personal choice and NEEDS to be discussed with those you love, as well as put in writing.

Sam wrote:Let me know when you have buried 5 sibblings and your parents.....

Until then...........have a nice life and stay out of mine with your comments about me doing too many drugs and suffering paranoia or what the BLEEP ever, snide comments you have made about my life.
I will take my life with the losses and pain and all, over what passes for your plastic insulting existance.

Let me know when you decide to get that chip surgically removed from your shoulder bubba...

I empathize with what you went through but I'm certainly not going to agree with everything you say from now on because you went through it...

Do you know me? Do you know my life? If not, then you've no right to assume anything about who I REALLY am.

I'm disagreeing with you about a complex ethical and moral issue, not questioning your sincerity or your moral being. Sorry if you're incapable of doing that or if you're unable to poke fun at yourself. That's your issue.

No one is denying your suffering Sam, but I'm not gonna pretend you're not acting like an a**hole because of it.

This is tough. I do not think this woman should be kept alive any longer. Where do I draw the line? It has to do with artificial support over an extended period of time. It's not that she is "undesirable"; it's that she can't survive on her own and she is in a vegetative state. The feeding tube is artificial support. Without it she will not survive. As I see it, removing the tube isn't murder; it's allowing her to die by natural causes.

And yes I do have some personal experience to go on. When my youngest son was born, he went on a ventilator for about a week. Without it he would have died, and we faced the question of "what if he doesn't improve". As a young adult I watched my grandfather struggle after several strokes, and he was on a feeding tube toward the end.

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Sam, knowing what you went thru with your family, I will understand if you can't or don't want to answer this question.

Would you have kept them on life support for 15 years if given that opportunity? I'm curious, since I really don't know anyone who has been in a situation like that, except for you, if you understand what I mean.

And even though Terri is their child, she is a grown woman. I wonder if people's feelings would be different if she were indeed a child?

I went thru a lot of this type discussion in college while dealing with head trauma clients. For me it has always come down to quality of life. If there is no quality of life, if I am a shell of what I once was, if I am merely existing, please pull the plug. I know my family feels the same as well...but it is indeed a personal choice and NEEDS to be discussed with those you love, as well as put in writing.

BEG,
I thank you for maintaining a civil attitude.... all of my sibblings were still my parents children...they always will be...no matter what.
When you are there and I hope you never are, I hope no one is ever placed inthat situation. However I am not naive enough to say it won't happen to anyone ever again.

Let me know when you choose to answer my questions then I will answer yours....I will say this much for now, please tell me how many parents you know of, would calmly and complacentlyand willingly, allow their child to starve to death.......

I have mixed oppinion on this. I would say the first step is that every other artifical support means should be removed. A DNR should be issued and she should not even receive anti-biotics for a cold. I am wondering if this has been done. Removing the feeding tube just makes me a bit uncomfortable. I don't favor euthenasia. But I think when a person has a terminal illness, or a certain pre-determined line is crossed medically, we should not be using extroadinary means to save a person. We create some of these messes by helping a person to live who should have not survived.

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Let me know when you have buried 5 sibblings and your parents.....

Until then...........have a nice life and stay out of mine with your comments about me doing too many drugs and suffering paranoia or what the BLEEP ever, snide comments you have made about my life.
I will take my life with the losses and pain and all, over what passes for your plastic insulting existance.

Let me know when you decide to get that chip surgically removed from your shoulder bubba...

I empathize with what you went through but I'm certainly not going to agree with everything you say from now on because you went through it...

Do you know me? Do you know my life? If not, then you've no right to assume anything about who I REALLY am.

I'm disagreeing with you about a complex ethical and moral issue, not questioning your sincerity or your moral being. Sorry if you're incapable of doing that or if you're unable to poke fun at yourself. That's your issue.

No one is denying your suffering Sam, but I'm not gonna pretend you're not acting like an a**hole because of it.

BLAH BLAH BLAH
As I said earlier, let me know when you care to get "REAL" or serious!

Do You know me or my family? Do you know anything of what we have
went through ? Yet you have no trouble making your own accusations
against me and my family.......

Who tossed out the first insults in an otherwise civil conversation???