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Elrod wrote:

Sam wrote:WHY didn't he make those statements 15 years ago? That is my major problem with him recalling an alledged one time conversation, and coming forward after all that time.

You continue to raise this same doubt of yours without acknowledging the possibility that for eight years he prayed, believed or hoped that she might get better.

carolinagirl wrote:We don't put retarded people to death by starvation. I don't think it's a matter of "will she return to her former quality of life?" She won't. But she IS alive, and she doesn't deserve to die. She is permanently brain-damaged, but so are some other people in nursing homes. If she is alive but simply cannot feed herself, and we have the technology to feed her, as we have for 15 years, she should be allowed to live at whatever state of life she has. Some autistic people cannot react to other people in the way we would expect them to, but they have a right to live the lives they have.

DonnaKayDunbar wrote:That statement was made several times, in front of several people...

The courts have agreed that this was Terri's wish.

I also find it interesting that Mr. Schiavo visits Terri most frequently. Not her parents.

Sam wrote:
How many one time conversations can you accurately recall that are beyond 8 years old?

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:sam, would you be debating this case so strenuously if everything was exactly the same but husband claimed JS wanted to live and the parents were suing to end her life?

rednekkPH wrote:

Sam wrote:
How many one time conversations can you accurately recall that are beyond 8 years old?

About what to have for dinner? None.

About whether or not my wife wanted to die with dignity or be kept alive as an empty shell...you can be damn sure I'd remember that one.

Sam wrote:They knew each other and were married for how long ??? If her wishes were so strong, I am sure she would have said it more than once....that is IF she said it...

Sam wrote:IF (God forbid) you and your family were involved in the same type situation would you wait over 8 years to bring up that one time conversation?

Sam wrote:IF (God forbid) you and your family were involved in the same type situation would you wait over 8 years to bring up that one time conversation?

carolinagirl wrote:We don't put retarded people to death by starvation. I don't think it's a matter of "will she return to her former quality of life?" She won't. But she IS alive, and she doesn't deserve to die. She is permanently brain-damaged, but so are some other people in nursing homes. If she is alive but simply cannot feed herself, and we have the technology to feed her, as we have for 15 years, she should be allowed to live at whatever state of life she has. Some autistic people cannot react to other people in the way we would expect them to, but they have a right to live the lives they have.

Wino you know wrote:

carolinagirl wrote:We don't put retarded people to death by starvation. I don't think it's a matter of "will she return to her former quality of life?" She won't. But she IS alive, and she doesn't deserve to die. She is permanently brain-damaged, but so are some other people in nursing homes. If she is alive but simply cannot feed herself, and we have the technology to feed her, as we have for 15 years, she should be allowed to live at whatever state of life she has. Some autistic people cannot react to other people in the way we would expect them to, but they have a right to live the lives they have.

Thanks for saying what I no longer have the strength to say, C.G.
It's YOU that apparently is the voice of reason in this case.
As I said before, if the Iraqi P.O.W.s (who KILL our soldiers every day) were being starved, the soldiers running the prison camps would be given the firing squad, much to the joy of many "compassionate" liberals.

ALSO, as I said yesterday-this judge who ruled in this case is a Clinton appointee, which meant Terry never ever had a chance, because as we all know, it's the liberal judges who are the final authority in this country.
Somehow, thanks to a bunch of liberal activist judges over the years, it's the judiciary that is the most powerful branch of government.

Wino you know wrote: Thanks for saying what I no longer have the strength to say, C.G.
It's YOU that apparently is the voice of reason in this case.
As I said before, if the Iraqi P.O.W.s (who KILL our soldiers every day) were being starved, the soldiers running the prison camps would be given the firing squad, much to the joy of many "compassionate" liberals.

ALSO, as I said yesterday-this judge who ruled in this case is a Clinton appointee, which meant Terry never ever had a chance, because as we all know, it's the liberal judges who are the final authority in this country.
Somehow, thanks to a bunch of liberal activist judges over the years, it's the judiciary that is the most powerful branch of government.

Longtime colleagues describe Whittemore, 52, as thoughtful, fair and down-to-earth, not the least flamboyant.

"He is a highly, highly regarded judge," said Tampa lawyer John Fitzgibbons. "He is highly intelligent and has just an excellent judicious temperament. He will allow all sides to state their position, to have their say."

Whittemore, appointed to the federal bench by President Clinton (search) in 1999, is not known to display any political leanings.

Fitzgibbons said those who have criticized previous rulings in the case will not have an easy time accusing Whittemore of bias.

Local Republicans back Greer
Accused of "murder" in the Schiavo case by U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay, the judge is defended at home.
By MICHAEL SANDLER, Times Staff Writer
Published March 22, 2005

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CLEARWATER - Many local Republicans shuddered last weekend when U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay accused a Pinellas judge of "murder" and "terrorism."

Such labels, troubling in any context, are particularly grating when they involve two members of the same political party.

"I was absolutely so disgusted with what he said," said County Commissioner Bob Stewart.

Pinellas County Property Appraiser Jim Smith, a former state legislator and Republican state committeeman, called DeLay's remarks "a disgrace."

Local Republicans had their own words for Judge George Greer, who, as presiding judge in the Terri Schiavo case, ordered the removal of her feeding tube on March 18.

Conscientious. Honest. Compassionate. A good Christian. An outstanding lawyer.

"Those folks that are saying anything bad about Judge Greer, they don't know him, and apparently they don't understand the law and the separation of powers," said state Rep. Everett Rice, R-Treasure Island, who stood behind Greer's decision last week in Tallahassee.

In Washington, Republican lawmakers worked through the weekend after Greer refused to let congressional subpoenas interfere with his order. Today would be Schiavo's fourth ful l day without nourishment.

Leading the way was DeLay, the House majority leader, who used inflammatory language while marshaling congressional Republicans to swiftly force a federal judge in Tampa to hear a request by Schiavo's parents to reinsert her feeding tube.

"Right now, murder is being committed against a defenseless American citizen in Florida," DeLay said.

He also said, "Schiavo's life is not slipping away - it is being violently wrenched from her body in an act of medical terrorism."

DeLay's office did not respond to requests for comment.

Greer, who declined to comment for this story, has been the subject of verba l attacks from religious and right-to-life groups since his ruling on Schiavo. He has als o received at least one death threat.

His Republican colleagues in Pinellas are saddened by DeLay's statements in the already emotional debate.

"I personally don't agree with Judge Greer's decision," said Ken Burke, Pinellas County Clerk of the Circuit Court and an active Republican. "But I respect the way he made it. I think those are inappropriate comments on DeLay's part."

"We need more judges like Judge Greer, not fewer," said Bruce McManus, a Largo probate lawyer who specializes in elder law.

McManus has found himself in a particularly difficult position. He's a member of groups that have been critical of Greer, such as the Southern Baptist Convention. But he also specializes in the area of law that Greer is interpreting.

McManus said Greer has done his best to make a tough decision, and called DeLay's comments "ridiculous."

"Judge Greer is an evangelical Christian man," McManus said. "He believes in the right to life as much as some of the people who are criticizing him so harshly. But he also believes in the rule of law, which he was sworn to uphold. To the best of his ability, that's what he is trying to do."

Rice is also a lawyer and last week opposed a bill in Tallahassee that would have blocked the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube.

"I can safely assume Judge Greer did the right thing in this case," Rice said. "And those people trying to vilify him about this are wrong. They are screaming and hollering for political gain. That's the only reason I can figure."

Rice said the comments have to hurt, but he knows the judge is taking them in stride.

"I think one of the most telling things about Judge Greer's integrity is that he could have dumped this case many times," Rice said. "He would not shirk his responsibility and he would not dump it on a fellow judge."

For Tony DiMatteo, the chairman of the Pinellas County Republican Executive Committee, the Schiavo case is "an emotional issue" that has brought out a variety of opinions in the party. DiMatteo has chosen to keep his to himself. He offered a few words from a former Republican president.

"Ronald Reagan had the 11th commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican," DiMatteo said. "I wish more would follow the commandment of Ronald Reagan."