Lawmakers Widen Schiavo Right-To-Die Fight

[AlbatrossFlyer]

being the cynic that i am, there's money to be made off of her. although the malpractice settlement is shot, can anyone say make-for-tv movie, books etc. ?????

if the husband stays married to her, he gets the pot of gold and not the parents.

if the parents are successful in their attempt to force the termination of the husband's involvement, they get the gold.

but the key is no gold till she's dead.

therefore i'm betting if the parents are successful trying to terminate the husband's involvment in the case, after an appropriate amount of time they will see the light and recognize the hopelessness of their daughter's position and stop the feeding. bring on the gold.

[AlbatrossFlyer]

it's Bloomberg

oh yeah, BLOOMBERG!
my bad.

Normally I'd agree with you-running as a republican in NY is surely political suicide, however, given the immense popularity of Rudy Guiliani as mayor of NYC, going as a republican in THAT particular election wasn't exactly the dumbest thing Bloomberg could have done either.

Alright, I'm back,
and it is heartening to see that most people (including this judge, for one) can relate to this sad matter with objectivity based on medical intelligence
and constitutional consistency. I applaud the resounding judgement in the face of unprecedented interference by the Federal government.
The appeals court is likely to concur.

Meanwhile, somewhat sadly, others on this thread continue to rant in hyperbole and innuendo with NO RESPECT to professional medical intelligence,
understanding of constitutional law or even current events concerning political leaders and their respective histories.
(Wino, Guiliani's approval rating had never been lower just prior to 9/11. His ongoing affair with a staff aide was considered an embarrassment.
The popularity he now enjoys is greatly the benefit of his brave , though brief, leadership in the wake of the tragedy).

Get with the real facts, people, the real facts...

killed his run for the US senate, now held by hillary.....

[ph4ever]

wino - appreciate your comments but I am still curious as to how true is it that she will even know she is starving? Is there documentation on this? I am not an expert - and I understand the parents could take care of her - but once again - for how long? and if not starvation than how are they supposed to do this? If she would have collapsed in her home - alone... and no one found her - the heart failure would have killed her. I am sadly thinking that she would have been better off that way.

I don't think the husband would run off to Europe - I am actually hoping he takes no money. I am more leery of the parents - do you not think they are being a little bit selfish?

Didn't someone in California offer the husband money to keep the tube in and he turn that down?

[PHBeerman]

being the cynic that i am, there's money to be made off of her. although the malpractice settlement is shot, can anyone say make-for-tv movie, books etc. ?????

if the husband stays married to her, he gets the pot of gold and not the parents.

if the parents are successful in their attempt to force the termination of the husband's involvement, they get the gold.

but the key is no gold till she's dead.

therefore i'm betting if the parents are successful trying to terminate the husband's involvment in the case, after an appropriate amount of time they will see the light and recognize the hopelessness of their daughter's position and stop the feeding. bring on the gold.

How many kids do you have AF?

[shakerofsalt]

Has anyone brought up the fact that SHE was the one starving herself in the first place????

[buffettbride]

Has anyone brought up the fact that SHE was the one starving herself in the first place????

Yes. And I believe that's called irony.

[shakerofsalt]

Has anyone brought up the fact that SHE was the one starving herself in the first place????

Yes. And I believe that's called irony.

Sorry, I was being lazy and didn't read back!!!!

[ph4ever]

Has anyone brought up the fact that SHE was the one starving herself in the first place????

Yes. And I believe that's called irony.

Sorry, I was being lazy and didn't read back!!!!

it was in the previous thread that was killed

[AlbatrossFlyer]

Has anyone brought up the fact that SHE was the one starving herself in the first place????

Yes. And I believe that's called irony.

now you're sounding like me

[buffettbride]

Has anyone brought up the fact that SHE was the one starving herself in the first place????

Yes. And I believe that's called irony.

now you're sounding like me

well, people have told me a lot worse, that's for sure

[AlbatrossFlyer]

ABC reported she weighed approximately 250 Lbs throughout highschool until she got married. She weighed 110 lbs at the time of her heart attack. Drs attributed her rapid weight loss and eating habits as the underlying cause of her infertility and led to the heart attack.

[Elrod]

now you're sounding like me

well, people have told me a lot worse, that's for sure

Sounding like AF is ok but if you start looking like him, BG is gonna object.

[buffettbride]

now you're sounding like me

well, people have told me a lot worse, that's for sure

Sounding like AF is ok but if you start looking like him, BG is gonna object.

Ya think? As long as Charlie shaves, we might be able to sneak him by it.

[AlbatrossFlyer]

now you're sounding like me

well, people have told me a lot worse, that's for sure

Sounding like AF is ok but if you start looking like him, BG is gonna object.

i would image that BG would find a beard on BB somewhat objectionable.

[buffettbride]

now you're sounding like me

well, people have told me a lot worse, that's for sure

Sounding like AF is ok but if you start looking like him, BG is gonna object.

i would image that BG would find a beard on BB somewhat objectionable.

You're tellin' me! I sure won't try that again.

[Lightning Bolt]

ABC reported she weighed approximately 250 Lbs throughout highschool until she got married. She weighed 110 lbs at the time of her heart attack. Drs attributed her rapid weight loss and eating habits as the underlying cause of her infertility and led to the heart attack.

Glad you brought this particular aspect of Terry Schiavo to light, because I figured others would jump all over this fact as being "heartless" or "bereft of any soul" or who knows what....

I'm guessing they'll be back for you later!!

[Blonde Stranger]

being the cynic that i am, there's money to be made off of her. although the malpractice settlement is shot, can anyone say make-for-tv movie, books etc. ?????

if the husband stays married to her, he gets the pot of gold and not the parents.

if the parents are successful in their attempt to force the termination of the husband's involvement, they get the gold.

but the key is no gold till she's dead.

therefore i'm betting if the parents are successful trying to terminate the husband's involvment in the case, after an appropriate amount of time they will see the light and recognize the hopelessness of their daughter's position and stop the feeding. bring on the gold.

It's been reported that most of the money awarded to Terri has been expended for her care and there is little left. In the guardian ad litem report to Jeb Bush in 2003, the guardian mentioned the Michael Schiavo volunteered to give up any claim to the money in the late 1990s when he first petitioned to have the feeding tube removed. Another excerpt states:

"Of Michael Schiavo, there is the incorrect perception that he has refused to relinquish his guardianship
because of financial interests, and more recently, because of allegations that he actually abused Theresa and
seeks to hide this. There is no evidence in the record to substantiate any of these perceptions or allegations."

http://floridahealthinfo.hsc.usf.edu/Th ... er2003.pdf

[Sam]

I heard a discussion this am about the actual removal of the tube....they were saying that her brain cannot process the actual lack of food - therefore I am thinking (hoping I guess) that she will noteven realize that she is starving. Why again are we prolonging her going to heaven?

Without trying to sound like the barbarian, killer that so many of you like to accuse us of... I am just asking why you feel her lying in a bed for the rest of her life is better than her going to heaven. If I were God I would be taking this a little personal by now. I have alot more concern for little children starving - and there are MANY that have feelings and can feel the starvation... where are your threads voicing your concerns for these children???? Once again - 15 YEARS of your life on a bed and you want to have that continue until she is 60? 70? 80?

No one in their right mind would want this... I know it is hard for the parents... but they really are being selfish at this point. When someone dies ... WE miss them WE want them to stay WE are sad..... that is selfish on our part and we have to be strong and let them go the way nature intended it - no matter how sad that may make us - but as long as we remember they are moving on to a better place - that is what makes it ok...

I for one will be so happy for Teri when she is finally at peace and isn't lying in a bed with tubes coming out of her. I still haven't read any responses to what is so horrible about heaven..... I would love to hear what all you pro-feeding tubers have to say about that. I'm sure God would like to hear why as well

I never said anything was wrong with going to Heaven! I too have trouble with the way we treat/mourn our dead if they go to a better place then why are we so sad?....This applies to those who believe in Heaven and God of course. Yeah it hurts, but we must carry on.

I have seen more people die or make the transition than I care to count.

I have seen just how far a parent will go and the pain they go through for the death of a child. I have seen "the plug pulled" more than once. Thankfully they did pass quickly.

I do know that feeding and hydration tubes are not mechanical means of life support.

I do know that starving someone or any animal to death is not considered to be humane treatment by anyone's standards.

Many people are bedridden and or exist off of feeding tubes and IVs...do we start systematically eradicating them too? Who are we to play God ?
How do you feel about Stephen Hawking and others confined to a wheelchair for the rest of their life? I have met paras that told me before they became one, they wanted to die if it ever happened to them.

No one goes before his or her time. We go when God wants us...and calls us to him. Not before and not after....Some in here do not believe in God as is their choice to make and decide. When your number is called....you go...no ifs,no ands, or buts. You go.

I feel we all want Terri's suffering to end but I do not understand how letting a person die of thirst and hunger and take up to 14 days or longer to die can be considered humane by any standards or how anyone can want that for anyone.
Does Terri know what is happening to her? There is much out there about both sides. I cannot say one way or the other about Terri may or may not feel, but if you can say, intentionally starving and denying proper hydration to someone is acceptable in one case, because you want them to go to Heaven....where will it stop? In time, it will become easier and easier to kill innocent people. People that have committed no crime and for "healthy people",..."normal people" to execute by starvation and dehydration the infirmed and the dibilitated. Extremist view? I suppose you or someone would judge it to be so. But answer where will it stop? Do I think you are intentionally playing God? No I don't.
If she had clearly made her declarations and had a Living Will then our conversation would be moot!

Any guarantees the docs are always right? Care to admit the possibility of the doctors could be wrong? God forbid, how would you feel if it happened to your child? Give them the best care that is available and hope and pray for the best?

Her parents have said they would take over her care and pay for her care.

Yet many do not believe in executing rapists, pedophiles, murderers, etc.
but want to see her die a slow death by starvation and dehydration.
What guarantees can YOU give us that Terri is not inside and will not feel anything? I can offer no guarantees other than she is definitely alive and breathing....and she is as helpless as a newborn and needs help to eat and to drink....so she needs a food tube and hydration tube....she is helpless, does that mean she needs to die? Or only because some think they would not want themselves to live if we were in that situation and would prefer to starve to death?


Wino
Great job, Bro!

[Lightning Bolt]

The issue for some of us is not that she has the "Right to Die"..( BTW can anyone tell me what article and where it is located in Our Constitutionand Bill of Rights?

It's not actually referred to as "Right to Die", insomuch as it is considered under our "Right to Privacy", and is located in the 14th Amendment. This is also where judgement was based upon in the decision of Roe v. Wade.

We are now placing food and watering stations at tax payer expense in places in the desert so illegal aliens won't die by such means and can cross without fear of dheydrattion or starving.

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That is not a correct statement. I know this because it's a much-discussed issue here in San Diego. The water stations that exist in our local desert have been placed by privately-funded groups sponsored, most often, by pro-immigration interests. The son of MY congressman, Duncan Hunter-R, is a lead figure in these efforts. This is an ironic twist, given that his father has been one the biggest proponents of Operation Gatekeeper, which works very hard to curb illegal immigration. This is not tax-payer funded, and I guarantee you, Californians wouldn't vote FOR them.

People have been misdiagnosed and people have come out of "long term comas".

You're right there, but..... Terry Schiavo IS NOT in a coma.
She has brain damage, and is in a continuous vegetative state. A good many doctors agree that the poor woman has no brain activity, no cerebral cortex, and there are no cases to refer back to that give any evidence for hope, short of blind faith, that is.

While many, may or may not, know of Jessica Lunsford and what happened to her.....The ACLU, Amnesty International, etc.... would not allow this to happen to the pedophile ( such a nice name for such a monster and vile creature) after what he did to her, her family and friends, and the people and officers involved in the case.

I don't disagree with you there. That sick pig will get his....
but these two cases simply do not compare. It's apples vs. oranges

Yet so many want to kill/murder an innocent woman by starvaion and dehydration, that broke no laws.....?

The fact is, without modern medicine, she would have been dead 15 years ago, as nature would have dictated, or maybe you might say, "as by God's will"?

Here's a whole list of replies to a number of your questions from earlier.
I'm thinking that you choose not to read other's posts, and that debating this subject with you is like standing in one place trying to talk to someone
who's spinning on a merry-go-round, going round and round, just going.....
LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA

Since it's apparently pointless, I'll cease trying
You're proving to be not worth the effort

[FFishstick]

Everyone is worth the effort. As a pro-life advocate I am concerned that any legislation that comes out of this case could be very damaging to the human condition. Starvation and dehydration are cruel and inhumane, yet, one can't overlook the medical facts. The "truths" of this case have been twisted, politicized, and distorted, virtualy making her a pawn in a difference of opinion on a political stage. This case is not the battle ground for defining when life starts, and when life ends, and what constitutes life for that matter. As one who values life I can simply say that what has happened to this woman over the last 15 years is a damn shame and I hope that God's plan for her is played out quickly.