Posted: April 19, 2005 1:18 pm
The Catholic Church... Goose-stepping its way into the 21st Century.AlbatrossFlyer wrote:the latest in pontifical foot wear
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Posted: April 19, 2005 1:18 pm
Regretably, I believe that Bernard Law at some point decided that the institution of the Catholic Church was more important than the children of the Catholic Church, and he acted accordingly. I have no words to express the rage that instills in me....rednekkPH wrote:Yup. With Ex-Cardinal Law right next to him. The fact that the Vatican allowed him to celebrate a mass there last week stripped the church of the last shred of credibility they had left, IMO.
Posted: April 19, 2005 1:26 pm
I'm going to back out of this thread in respect for my Catholic friends who are celebrating a new pope. I don't hate religion, but the church of my youth has left me disillusioned and disappointed in the way it has handled evil men within its ranks, and the election of this man as pope has me feeling very, very unsettled.PHBeerman wrote:I agree Cubbie.Cubbie Bear wrote:too many friends here to get pulled into this one. See you tomorrow, maybe
I don't slam you for your beliefs in any way, friends. I congratulate Catholics on their new pope. But I say respectfully that I am deeply disturbed.
Posted: April 19, 2005 1:26 pm
what hasn't made the national media is that cardinal law sent a bunch of them to the PHX diocese to be rehabilitated by bishop o'brien.SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Regretably, I believe that Bernard Law at some point decided that the institution of the Catholic Church was more important than the children of the Catholic Church, and he acted accordingly. I have no words to express the rage that instills in me....rednekkPH wrote:Yup. With Ex-Cardinal Law right next to him. The fact that the Vatican allowed him to celebrate a mass there last week stripped the church of the last shred of credibility they had left, IMO.
Posted: April 19, 2005 1:28 pm
Why weren't they sent to the proper authorities for prosocution like any other child molester?AlbatrossFlyer wrote:what hasn't made the national media is that cardinal law sent a bunch of them to the PHX diocese to be rehabilitated by bishop o'brien.SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Regretably, I believe that Bernard Law at some point decided that the institution of the Catholic Church was more important than the children of the Catholic Church, and he acted accordingly. I have no words to express the rage that instills in me....rednekkPH wrote:Yup. With Ex-Cardinal Law right next to him. The fact that the Vatican allowed him to celebrate a mass there last week stripped the church of the last shred of credibility they had left, IMO.
Posted: April 19, 2005 1:31 pm
Because the church - in it's infinite wisdom - felt that sending them to a new (and unsuspecting) congregation and telling them not to do it anymore (or more accurately, not to get caught doing it anymore) would suffice.a1aara wrote:Why weren't they sent to the proper authorities for prosocution like any other child molester?AlbatrossFlyer wrote:what hasn't made the national media is that cardinal law sent a bunch of them to the PHX diocese to be rehabilitated by bishop o'brien.SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Regretably, I believe that Bernard Law at some point decided that the institution of the Catholic Church was more important than the children of the Catholic Church, and he acted accordingly. I have no words to express the rage that instills in me....rednekkPH wrote:Yup. With Ex-Cardinal Law right next to him. The fact that the Vatican allowed him to celebrate a mass there last week stripped the church of the last shred of credibility they had left, IMO.
Posted: April 19, 2005 1:32 pm
here, the county district attorney is a devout catholic and refused to step aside claiming he had no conflict of interest, yet refused to indict o'brien inspite of publicly stating he had enough evidence to do so. it wasn't till o'brien killed a man in a hit and run did public pressure force his hand and then only on the hit and run charge.a1aara wrote:Why weren't they sent to the proper authorities for prosocution like any other child molester?AlbatrossFlyer wrote:what hasn't made the national media is that cardinal law sent a bunch of them to the PHX diocese to be rehabilitated by bishop o'brien.SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Regretably, I believe that Bernard Law at some point decided that the institution of the Catholic Church was more important than the children of the Catholic Church, and he acted accordingly. I have no words to express the rage that instills in me....rednekkPH wrote:Yup. With Ex-Cardinal Law right next to him. The fact that the Vatican allowed him to celebrate a mass there last week stripped the church of the last shred of credibility they had left, IMO.
Posted: April 19, 2005 1:53 pm
sign me up for that threadPHBeerman wrote:I would appreciate if you would please move this to a thread where you, frank and tomm can discuss your hatred of religion.AlbatrossFlyer wrote:the latest in pontifical foot wear
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Posted: April 19, 2005 2:44 pm
Could you guys please, please, please take your antagonizing (and hurtful to some of us) banter about our new Holy Father elsewhere?
Why is it so hard for some people to understand this is a VERY big deal to some of us? We take Pope John Paul II's death and subsequent election of the new Pope Benedict XVI seriously... it's an extraordinarily moving day for some of us.
Could you just leave things alone for once... please?
Why is it so hard for some people to understand this is a VERY big deal to some of us? We take Pope John Paul II's death and subsequent election of the new Pope Benedict XVI seriously... it's an extraordinarily moving day for some of us.
Could you just leave things alone for once... please?
Posted: April 19, 2005 2:46 pm
perhaps PopeNews.com would be a better place the celebrate the election of the new pope.
Posted: April 19, 2005 2:47 pm
Sure, whatever... thanks friend...AlbatrossFlyer wrote:perhaps PopeNews.com would be a better place the celebrate the election of the new pope.
Posted: April 19, 2005 2:53 pm
it was posted on a public board,you all know damn well it will be open to criticism.iuparrothead wrote:Could you guys please, please, please take your antagonizing (and hurtful to some of us) banter about our new Holy Father elsewhere?
Why is it so hard for some people to understand this is a VERY big deal to some of us? We take Pope John Paul II's death and subsequent election of the new Pope Benedict XVI seriously... it's an extraordinarily moving day for some of us.
Could you just leave things alone for once... please?
Posted: April 19, 2005 2:53 pm
Ann, you know our views and beliefs don't exactly match up, but we've done a pretty good job of learning to respect each other. That said, you need to realize that there are some of us here that feel just as strongly about this as you do - albeit in the opposite manner. And our feelings are every bit as important and deserving of being heard as yours are.iuparrothead wrote:Could you guys please, please, please take your antagonizing (and hurtful to some of us) banter about our new Holy Father elsewhere?
Why is it so hard for some people to understand this is a VERY big deal to some of us? We take Pope John Paul II's death and subsequent election of the new Pope Benedict XVI seriously... it's an extraordinarily moving day for some of us.
Could you just leave things alone for once... please?
Posted: April 19, 2005 2:55 pm
Sure, whatever... whatever happened to a little bit of courtesy towards something that is deeply meaningful to some of us? That's the least I would show you in return.tommcat327 wrote:it was posted on a public board,you all know damn well it will be open to criticism.iuparrothead wrote:Could you guys please, please, please take your antagonizing (and hurtful to some of us) banter about our new Holy Father elsewhere?
Why is it so hard for some people to understand this is a VERY big deal to some of us? We take Pope John Paul II's death and subsequent election of the new Pope Benedict XVI seriously... it's an extraordinarily moving day for some of us.
Could you just leave things alone for once... please?
thanks again...
Posted: April 19, 2005 2:59 pm
I'm just as outspoken as anyone... but in the case of something that anyone takes this serious and meaningful, I would keep my negative opinions to myself for the time being. I've done it before, and I'll do it again... that's all I'm asking...rednekkPH wrote:Ann, you know our views and beliefs don't exactly match up, but we've done a pretty good job of learning to respect each other. That said, you need to realize that there are some of us here that feel just as strongly about this as you do - albeit in the opposite manner. And our feelings are every bit as important and deserving of being heard as yours are.iuparrothead wrote:Could you guys please, please, please take your antagonizing (and hurtful to some of us) banter about our new Holy Father elsewhere?
Why is it so hard for some people to understand this is a VERY big deal to some of us? We take Pope John Paul II's death and subsequent election of the new Pope Benedict XVI seriously... it's an extraordinarily moving day for some of us.
Could you just leave things alone for once... please?
Posted: April 19, 2005 3:03 pm
and my hatred for religion and catholism is very important to me,but if i posted an "I hate the pope" thread would everyone be showing their concern and courtesy?noiuparrothead wrote:Sure, whatever... whatever happened to a little bit of courtesy towards something that is deeply meaningful to some of us? That's the least I would show you in return.tommcat327 wrote:it was posted on a public board,you all know damn well it will be open to criticism.iuparrothead wrote:Could you guys please, please, please take your antagonizing (and hurtful to some of us) banter about our new Holy Father elsewhere?
Why is it so hard for some people to understand this is a VERY big deal to some of us? We take Pope John Paul II's death and subsequent election of the new Pope Benedict XVI seriously... it's an extraordinarily moving day for some of us.
Could you just leave things alone for once... please?
thanks again...
funny how rules about the discussion of religion only work one way
Posted: April 19, 2005 3:04 pm
If there were such a thread, I would leave it alone... I can promise you that.tommcat327 wrote:and my hatred for religion and catholism is very important to me,but if i posted an "I hate the pope" thread would everyone be showing their concern and courtesy?noiuparrothead wrote:Sure, whatever... whatever happened to a little bit of courtesy towards something that is deeply meaningful to some of us? That's the least I would show you in return.tommcat327 wrote:it was posted on a public board,you all know damn well it will be open to criticism.iuparrothead wrote:Could you guys please, please, please take your antagonizing (and hurtful to some of us) banter about our new Holy Father elsewhere?
Why is it so hard for some people to understand this is a VERY big deal to some of us? We take Pope John Paul II's death and subsequent election of the new Pope Benedict XVI seriously... it's an extraordinarily moving day for some of us.
Could you just leave things alone for once... please?
thanks again...
funny how rules about the discussion of religion only work one way
Posted: April 19, 2005 3:22 pm
this thread wasn't started as "Join me in celebrating the new Pope" it was simply a statement of news. I will gladly keep my views out of such as thread. nor am i dissing anyone's personal relegious beliefs or the beliefs of the catholic church.
but i will not give persons within any church a free pass simply because they carry a title or have a position of authority within it. especially when they claim a higher moral authority because of their position in their church.
strip away their titles and not one person would defend the morally reprehensible actions of some of these individuals. yet put a collar around their necks and they become untouchable.
but i will not give persons within any church a free pass simply because they carry a title or have a position of authority within it. especially when they claim a higher moral authority because of their position in their church.
strip away their titles and not one person would defend the morally reprehensible actions of some of these individuals. yet put a collar around their necks and they become untouchable.
Posted: April 19, 2005 3:31 pm
A priest/bishop/cardinal will NEVER suggest he is not human nor his position infallible.
I was just hoping that people would back off from spewing the negativity... especially friends... guess you can't even count on that anymore.
I was just hoping that people would back off from spewing the negativity... especially friends... guess you can't even count on that anymore.
Posted: April 19, 2005 3:37 pm
true, but all the more reason a man of the cloth should then step up to the plate and do the right thing.iuparrothead wrote:A priest/bishop/cardinal will NEVER suggest he is not human nor his position infallible.