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Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:11 pm**

rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote: Do you want to ask that of my grandfathers 4 brothers who refused to join the party in the Nazi occupied Netherlands?

I bet he wishes he could as well, but they were killed for refusing.
Your great uncles were noble men. It takes a strong conviction to die for what you truly believe.

Wow I am surprised you understand that.

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:11 pm**

PHBeerman wrote:
a1aara wrote:
PalmettoSon wrote:I am a pro-choice, pro-euthenasia, really pro-birth control (big fan), Protestant, Democrat, with nothing against gay people, or their desire to marry. In other words, not really a fan of Cardinal Ratzinger. That said, he was not a Nazi! As the Nazi Party grew in power, there was no choice but to be a Nazi. Ratzinger joined the Hitler Jugend when it became compulsory, not when it was voluntary. He refused to attend meetings unless there was no way around it. This has been documented in more than one place (including Ratzinger's own meoirs). I may not agree with his stance on many issues, but I can't fault him for joining the Hitler Jugend when he had no choice in the matter.
All I can do is pray for Pope Benedict XVI, and wait to see what kind of leader he is for the Catholic Church.
You always have a choice...............
Do you want to ask that of my grandfathers 4 brothers who refused to join the party in the Nazi occupied Netherlands?

I bet he wishes he could as well, but they were killed for refusing.

just a question - curious because I've always heard about your Grandmother. How did your grandfather get past not joining the Nazi party and living to tell?

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:11 pm**

rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote: Do you want to ask that of my grandfathers 4 brothers who refused to join the party in the Nazi occupied Netherlands?

I bet he wishes he could as well, but they were killed for refusing.
Your great uncles were noble men. It takes a strong conviction to die for what you truly believe.

Much respect!

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:12 pm**

PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote: Do you want to ask that of my grandfathers 4 brothers who refused to join the party in the Nazi occupied Netherlands?

I bet he wishes he could as well, but they were killed for refusing.
Your great uncles were noble men. It takes a strong conviction to die for what you truly believe.
Wow I am surprised you understand that.

So much for offering a compliment. Actually, I was just explaining the concept, as it seems it may not have survived the generations.

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:13 pm**

ph4ever wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
a1aara wrote:
PalmettoSon wrote:I am a pro-choice, pro-euthenasia, really pro-birth control (big fan), Protestant, Democrat, with nothing against gay people, or their desire to marry. In other words, not really a fan of Cardinal Ratzinger. That said, he was not a Nazi! As the Nazi Party grew in power, there was no choice but to be a Nazi. Ratzinger joined the Hitler Jugend when it became compulsory, not when it was voluntary. He refused to attend meetings unless there was no way around it. This has been documented in more than one place (including Ratzinger's own meoirs). I may not agree with his stance on many issues, but I can't fault him for joining the Hitler Jugend when he had no choice in the matter.
All I can do is pray for Pope Benedict XVI, and wait to see what kind of leader he is for the Catholic Church.
You always have a choice...............
Do you want to ask that of my grandfathers 4 brothers who refused to join the party in the Nazi occupied Netherlands?

I bet he wishes he could as well, but they were killed for refusing.

just a question - curious because I've always heard about your Grandmother. How did your grandfather get past not joining the Nazi party and living to tell?

He and one other brother were too young.

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:14 pm**

rednekkPH wrote: So much for offering a compliment. Actually, I was just explaining the concept, as it seems it may not have survived the generations.

I thought you were really a pro gun person?

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:15 pm**

PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote: So much for offering a compliment. Actually, I was just explaining the concept, as it seems it may not have survived the generations.
I thought you were really a pro gun person?

Huh?

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:16 pm**

From the Las Vegas Sun April 15, 2005

Traunstein was also where Ratzinger went through the harrowing years of Nazi rule and World War II. In 1943, he was drafted as an assistant to a Nazi anti-aircraft unit and sent to Munich. A year later he was released, only to be sent to the Austrian-Hungarian border to construct tank barriers.

He deserted the Germany army in May 1945 and returned to Traunstein - a risky move, since deserters were shot on the spot if caught, or publicly hanged as examples to others.

When he arrived home, U.S. soldiers took him prisoner and held him in a POW camp for several weeks. Upon his release, he re-entered the seminary.

I am not Catholic and dont really wish to participate in Pope loving or bashing. Just setting the record straight

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:16 pm**

rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote: So much for offering a compliment. Actually, I was just explaining the concept, as it seems it may not have survived the generations.
I thought you were really a pro gun person?
Huh?

Go with me here. Yet you willing work for an individual who represents a party which is constantly trying to hinder your rights as a gun owner.

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:20 pm**

PHBeerman wrote:
ph4ever wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
a1aara wrote:
PalmettoSon wrote:I am a pro-choice, pro-euthenasia, really pro-birth control (big fan), Protestant, Democrat, with nothing against gay people, or their desire to marry. In other words, not really a fan of Cardinal Ratzinger. That said, he was not a Nazi! As the Nazi Party grew in power, there was no choice but to be a Nazi. Ratzinger joined the Hitler Jugend when it became compulsory, not when it was voluntary. He refused to attend meetings unless there was no way around it. This has been documented in more than one place (including Ratzinger's own meoirs). I may not agree with his stance on many issues, but I can't fault him for joining the Hitler Jugend when he had no choice in the matter.
All I can do is pray for Pope Benedict XVI, and wait to see what kind of leader he is for the Catholic Church.
You always have a choice...............
Do you want to ask that of my grandfathers 4 brothers who refused to join the party in the Nazi occupied Netherlands?

I bet he wishes he could as well, but they were killed for refusing.

just a question - curious because I've always heard about your Grandmother. How did your grandfather get past not joining the Nazi party and living to tell?
He and one other brother were too young.

thanks - I thought that might be the case. How sad and like others have said I commend then for stickiing to their beliefs

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:23 pm**

PHBeerman wrote:Go with me here. Yet you willing work for an individual who represents a party which is constantly trying to hinder your rights as a gun owner.

No, I work for an individual who IS a gun owner, an individual who staunchly supports gun owner's rights, and an individual who has received a A or A+ rating from the NRA everytime he's run.

BTW - are you aware of, and in total agreement with, 100% of the politics of ever single person above you in the food chain where you work?

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:26 pm**

If I wanted some religion I would have joined CoB,O But that is why I am here not CoB,O

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:26 pm**

rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:Go with me here. Yet you willing work for an individual who represents a party which is constantly trying to hinder your rights as a gun owner.
No, I work for an individual who IS a gun owner, an individual who staunchly supports gun owner's rights, and an individual who has received a A or A+ rating from the NRA everytime he's run.

BTW - are you aware of, and in total agreement with, 100% of the politics of ever single person above you in the food chain where you work?

This is my point Pope Benedict XVI should not be judged by his compulsory involvement in the Nazi Youth party. Just because he was forced to join does not mean that he agrees with the platform.

You signed on willingly. Do you want me to call you a pro-brady bill treehugger?

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:30 pm**

by the end of 1945 there were more german army deserters than german army soldiers. losing a war big time has that effect. that and the soviets had a nasty habit of shooting german POWs, actually they never really got to POW status, they were shot first....

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:32 pm**

Konga Man wrote:If I wanted some religion I would have joined CoB,O But that is why I am here not CoB,O

obviously you're not that familiar with Cobo???

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:32 pm**

PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:Go with me here. Yet you willing work for an individual who represents a party which is constantly trying to hinder your rights as a gun owner.
No, I work for an individual who IS a gun owner, an individual who staunchly supports gun owner's rights, and an individual who has received a A or A+ rating from the NRA everytime he's run.

BTW - are you aware of, and in total agreement with, 100% of the politics of ever single person above you in the food chain where you work?
This is my point Pope Benedict XVI should not be judged by his compulsory involvement in the Nazi Youth party. Just because he was forced to join does not mean that he agrees with the platform.

You signed on willingly. Do you want me to call you a pro-brady bill treehugger?

Actually, I judge him much more harshly for his voluntary involvement in the catholic church, but I told you I wouldn't dump on him in this thread.

BTW - you didn't answer my question about the people you work for.

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:36 pm**

if more people realized that there is no god these arguments wouldnt take place

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:37 pm**

rednekkPH wrote: Actually, I judge him much more harshly for his voluntary involvement in the catholic church, but I told you I wouldn't dump on him in this thread.

BTW - you didn't answer my question about the people you work for.

Our business means that trees have to die. 100%? No, we have some moron liberals around here. I ask them all the time what they are doing working for a lumber company. They are chasing the paycheck.

I can honestly say, that only under the most dire of circumstances would I work for an organization whose goals I could not support.

But as you probably read earlier, my family has strong moral convictions.

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:45 pm**

Um, if I could just point out..... whether or not anyone agrees with the new pope, our BN friends asked that this thread be kept celebratory in nature. If we want to discuss the existance/non-existance of God or take issue with the Catholic church, we should do it in the other "pope" thread that (as AF points out) was more of a news/announcement thread.

If we can't let our friends celebrate something important to them without commenting in the negative, we suckk as friends.....

Posted: **April 19, 2005 3:47 pm**

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Um, if I could just point out..... whether or not anyone agrees with the new pope, our BN friends asked that this thread be kept celebratory in nature. If we want to discuss the existance/non-existance of God or take issue with the Catholic church, we should do it in the other "pope" thread that (as AF points out) was more of a news/announcement thread.

If we can't let our friends celebrate something important to them without commenting in the negative, we suckk as friends.....

party on dudes and dudettes

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