Pope/Church/Religion Free for All

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » April 19, 2005 3:55 pm

Okay, everyone, have at it. But what say we keep the strong reactions here, in this thread, and leave the other celebratory pope threads alone...

For the record, I think the Catholic Church has taken a step backwards in electing this pope, and I think many men within the church have a lot to answer for in their protection of criminals and child molesters....

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » April 19, 2005 3:57 pm

I don't think that any charges against Pope Benedict XVI have been forwarded as to him molesting children.

HawaiianGator · Post by **HawaiianGator** » April 19, 2005 3:58 pm

when you attend a Free Methodist Church, why do they still pass a collection plate ???

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » April 19, 2005 3:59 pm

PHBeerman wrote:I don't think that any charges against Pope Benedict XVI have been forwarded as to him molesting children.

No, I don't mean to say so. Perhaps I should have separated that into two sentences. I was thinking more along the lines of former-cardinal Bernard Law, who I believe came to care more about he institution of the church than about the children of the church.

sonofabeach · Post by **sonofabeach** » April 19, 2005 3:59 pm

Sinead O' Conner's SNL actions a few years back do not look so bad nowadays.

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » April 19, 2005 4:00 pm

damn!i need to get going,right when a good thread starts.
I'LL BE BACK!

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » April 19, 2005 4:00 pm

sonofabeach wrote:Sinead O Conner's SNL actions a few years back do not look so bad nowadays.

She still looks terrible, though. Bald chicks just don't do it for me.

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » April 19, 2005 4:01 pm

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:I don't think that any charges against Pope Benedict XVI have been forwarded as to him molesting children.
No, I don't mean to say so. Perhaps I should have separated that into two sentences. I was thinking more along the lines of former-cardinal Bernard Law, who I believe came to care more about he institution of the church than about the children of the church.

So what does PBXVI have to do with that??

sonofabeach · Post by **sonofabeach** » April 19, 2005 4:02 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
sonofabeach wrote:Sinead O Conner's SNL actions a few years back do not look so bad nowadays.
She still looks terrible, though. Bald chicks just don't do it for me.

yeah but a six pack and a wig..............

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » April 19, 2005 4:03 pm

PHBeerman wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:I don't think that any charges against Pope Benedict XVI have been forwarded as to him molesting children.
No, I don't mean to say so. Perhaps I should have separated that into two sentences. I was thinking more along the lines of former-cardinal Bernard Law, who I believe came to care more about he institution of the church than about the children of the church.
So what does PBXVI have to do with that??

ah, okay, I think I see your question now. sorry I wasn't clear.... I also think that PBXVI is a very, very conservative pope, and I would prefer a more enlightened stance on issues such as birth control and married priests.

ejr · Post by **ejr** » April 19, 2005 4:06 pm

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Okay, everyone, have at it. But what say we keep the strong reactions here, in this thread, and leave the other celebratory pope threads alone...

For the record, I think the Catholic Church has taken a step backwards in electing this pope, and I think many men within the church have a lot to answer for in their protection of criminals and child molesters....

I would agree entirely. Even though i am not a religious person myself, I have tremendous respect for my friends of strong faith. My problem, in general, with organized religion, is its divisiveness and hypocrisy. I have a number of friends who are devout Catholics who are in tremendous pain because of the Church's stance on women, divorce, homosexuality birth control, condoms for AIDS prevention, etc). Seems to me that religion should help and heal, and not divide and hurt and I see far too much of the latter. And my feelings are not limited to the Catholic church-they are just the most visible religion right now.

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » April 19, 2005 4:09 pm

Hey everybody! Since it's so fun, popular and convenient to Catholic-bash these days, this should just be great!!! And while you're at it... make sure to make lots of broad, sweeping statements that ridicule, chastise and demonize the entire Catholic faith and it's followers for the sins of a few!!!

Because we certainly get tired of hearing about the millions of poor, hungry and ill human beings around the world that are tended to by Catholic charities and missions.

Because it's so much easier to hate and spit bile right now than to just leave things alone in peace!!!

Have a great time everyone........

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » April 19, 2005 4:09 pm

SchoolGirlHeart wrote: ah, okay, I think I see your question now. sorry I wasn't clear.... I also think that PBXVI is a very, very conservative pope, and I would prefer a more enlightened stance on issues such as birth control and married priests.

I sincerely believe that at least the birth control issue will be modernized. However, I personally believe that a conservative pope is what is needed. The views of PJPII is one of the many things that has brought me back to the Catholic church. I grew up under both umbrellas. My mother was raised Catholic, but left the church when she married. Out of respect for her elders, she allowed my brother and I to receive an education in both the Protestant and the Catholic churches. For many years I stayed away completely from both. However, I feel really comfortable with the strength and values of the Catholic faith.

Do you think that the liberalization of the Episcopal church has strengthened it?

AlbatrossFlyer · Post by **AlbatrossFlyer** » April 19, 2005 4:12 pm

tommcat327 wrote:damn!i need to get going,right when a good thread starts.
I'LL BE BACK!

we'll be here

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » April 19, 2005 4:12 pm

iuparrothead wrote:Hey everybody! Since it's so fun, popular and convenient to Catholic-bash these days, this should just be great!!! And while you're at it... make sure to make lots of broad, sweeping statements that ridicule, chastise and demonize the entire Catholic faith and it's followers for the sins of a few!!!

Because we certainly get tired of hearing about the millions of poor, hungry and ill human beings around the world that are tended to by Catholic charities and missions.

Because it's so much easier to hate and spit bile right now than to just leave things alone in peace!!!

Have a great time everyone........

So far, Ann, all I've seen is an honest discussion of opinions, not bashing. You asked that people leave the other threads alone. That's the purpose of this thread. Don't ask us to agree with you in a Catholic love-fest; we're here in this thread so we CAN express differing opinions.....

brettsky · Post by **brettsky** » April 19, 2005 4:13 pm

as for the birth control and married thing. I dont understand why people feel that the catholic churchs job is to adapt to what some of our morals are. Is that really what organized religion is for to adapt tp what we want so we can feel better about ourselves or is it intended to be a guidepost for living our lives. And Im not talking about individuals representing the church, like the sick bastards who have done that to the children...Im talking about the churches position.

BTW.....hi everyone ...its been awhile

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » April 19, 2005 4:15 pm

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Don't ask us to agree with you in a Catholic love-fest

please...

AlbatrossFlyer · Post by **AlbatrossFlyer** » April 19, 2005 4:21 pm

brettsky wrote:as for the birth control and married thing. I dont understand why people feel that the catholic churchs job is to adapt to what some of our morals are. Is that really what organized religion is for to adapt tp what we want so we can feel better about ourselves or is it intended to be a guidepost for living our lives. And Im not talking about individuals representing the church, like the sick bastards who have done that to the children...Im talking about the churches position.

BTW.....hi everyone ...its been awhile

that's the question i asked. all churches has divinely inspired teachings. if you don't follow them, then you have sinned, and then you need to repent those sins. this is a fundamental principle of all religions. its not a case where a bunch of people get together and vote on what should be a sin or not and then call themselves a church so they can be a tax free charity.

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » April 19, 2005 4:23 pm

PHBeerman wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote: ah, okay, I think I see your question now. sorry I wasn't clear.... I also think that PBXVI is a very, very conservative pope, and I would prefer a more enlightened stance on issues such as birth control and married priests.
I sincerely believe that at least the birth control issue will be modernized. However, I personally believe that a conservative pope is what is needed. The views of PJPII is one of the many things that has brought me back to the Catholic church. I grew up under both umbrellas. My mother was raised Catholic, but left the church when she married. Out of respect for her elders, she allowed my brother and I to receive an education in both the Protestant and the Catholic churches. For many years I stayed away completely from both. However, I feel really comfortable with the strength and values of the Catholic faith.

Do you think that the liberalization of the Episcopal church has strengthened it?

While I think PJPII was a devout and holy man, I also seriously disagreed with him in many of his views, particularly on women's roles in the church. I was born and raised a Catholic. But I tire quickly of any organization that makes me feel like a second-class citizen because of my gender, and that's something that appears to be going to continue under this pope....

I wouldn't presume to tell anyone what to do about religion in their life. It's extremely personal. What is comforting to you may grate terribly on me, and vice versa. I'm glad you're comfortable in the Catholic church. But I'm definitely not...

As for the liberalization of the Episcopal Church, I don't think it matters whether it strengthened it, or not. And whether it was strengthened or weakened is a debate that could go on forever, without any resolution, because is purely based on opinion. But certainly it made it more palatable to some worshipers, and less palatable to others.

ejr · Post by **ejr** » April 19, 2005 4:24 pm

brettsky wrote:as for the birth control and married thing. I dont understand why people feel that the catholic churchs job is to adapt to what some of our morals are. Is that really what organized religion is for to adapt tp what we want so we can feel better about ourselves or is it intended to be a guidepost for living our lives. And Im not talking about individuals representing the church, like the sick bastards who have done that to the children...Im talking about the churches position.

BTW.....hi everyone ...its been awhile

I think that if a religion hopes to remain relevant to its members, it must adapt some---the Catholic church moved away from Latin masses, and dropped the no meat on Friday tradition, so it can make changes. I would contend that it must continue to do so.

Ann-please don't take this so personally-it is clear that your religion is very important to you and I think that is wonderful. But religion is a hot topic for many, and some of us are trying to have a rational discussion of our differences with Catholicism. I am sure that you too find things within the church you wish would change as nothing is perfect.

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