An Honest and Sincere Question

[AlbatrossFlyer]

I am not a catholic nor was i raised as one. but the question i have is, how does a "liberal" catholic resolve their belief dis-connects with the teachings of the church. such as the use of birth control for example?

i was raised in the take it or leave religious philosophy. either you embraced all the teachings of religion X, or you should find a different church that better reflected your views. that church's are a position of higher moral authority and their teachings are divinely inspired and are not be based to the whims of popular opinion / culture or subject to majority vote?

any takers????

[PHBeerman]

I am not a catholic nor was i raised as one. but the question i have is, how does a "liberal" catholic resolve their belief dis-connects with the teachings of the church. such as the use of birth control for example?

i was raised in the take it or leave religious philosophy. either you embraced all the teachings of religion X, or you should find a different church that better reflected your views. that church's are a position of higher moral authority and their teachings are divinely inspired and are not be based to the whims of popular opinion / culture or subject to majority vote?

any takers????

Do you ever speed in your car?

[iuparrothead]

I am not a catholic nor was i raised as one. but the question i have is, how does a "liberal" catholic resolve their belief dis-connects with the teachings of the church. such as the use of birth control for example?

i was raised in the take it or leave religious philosophy. either you embraced all the teachings of religion X, or you should find a different church that better reflected your views. that church's are a position of higher moral authority and their teachings are divinely inspired and are not be based to the whims of popular opinion / culture or subject to majority vote?

any takers????

It's called faith.

[AlbatrossFlyer]

I am not a catholic nor was i raised as one. but the question i have is, how does a "liberal" catholic resolve their belief dis-connects with the teachings of the church. such as the use of birth control for example?

i was raised in the take it or leave religious philosophy. either you embraced all the teachings of religion X, or you should find a different church that better reflected your views. that church's are a position of higher moral authority and their teachings are divinely inspired and are not be based to the whims of popular opinion / culture or subject to majority vote?

any takers????

It's called faith.

i was raised that "faith" was only the belief in a god.

[iuparrothead]

I am not a catholic nor was i raised as one. but the question i have is, how does a "liberal" catholic resolve their belief dis-connects with the teachings of the church. such as the use of birth control for example?

i was raised in the take it or leave religious philosophy. either you embraced all the teachings of religion X, or you should find a different church that better reflected your views. that church's are a position of higher moral authority and their teachings are divinely inspired and are not be based to the whims of popular opinion / culture or subject to majority vote?

any takers????

It's called faith.

i was raised that "faith" was only the belief in a god.

okay

[brettsky]

I am not a catholic nor was i raised as one. but the question i have is, how does a "liberal" catholic resolve their belief dis-connects with the teachings of the church. such as the use of birth control for example?

i was raised in the take it or leave religious philosophy. either you embraced all the teachings of religion X, or you should find a different church that better reflected your views. that church's are a position of higher moral authority and their teachings are divinely inspired and are not be based to the whims of popular opinion / culture or subject to majority vote?

any takers????

It's called faith.

Ann's right....some call it blind faith. Either you believe or you dont....its not a ala carte thing. If you believe fundamentaly that killing someone is wrong....how can you say capital punishment is OK ?

it not a pick and choose thing

[PHBeerman]

I am not a catholic nor was i raised as one. but the question i have is, how does a "liberal" catholic resolve their belief dis-connects with the teachings of the church. such as the use of birth control for example?

i was raised in the take it or leave religious philosophy. either you embraced all the teachings of religion X, or you should find a different church that better reflected your views. that church's are a position of higher moral authority and their teachings are divinely inspired and are not be based to the whims of popular opinion / culture or subject to majority vote?

any takers????

It's called faith.

i was raised that "faith" was only the belief in a god.

faith Pronunciation Key (fth)
n.

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.


Faith has many components.

[ph4ever]

Is it faith in the church or faith in God?? Does the church "get you to" heven or does God?

[iuparrothead]

The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

[PHBeerman]

Is it faith in the church or faith in God?? Does the church "get you to" heven or does God?

I believe that the church is a vehicle which helps you celebrate your faith.

[ph4ever]

The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

but Charlie was asking about the Church philosphy. Ok - hear me out. The Bible was written in ancient Hebrew. Thruought time man has translated the Bible and put their own spin on it. The same with the different churches - be them Episcopal, Baptist or Cathloic.

To me what Charlie is asking has to do with the actual workings of the Catholic Church and not the teachings of the Bible. Which the workings, the doctorie of the Catholic church are different than say the Baptist but they all teach about God.

Ok did I make any sense?

[PHBeerman]

The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

but Charlie was asking about the Church philosphy. Ok - hear me out. The Bible was written in ancient Hebrew. Thruought time man has translated the Bible and put their own spin on it. The same with the different churches - be them Episcopal, Baptist or Cathloic.

To me what Charlie is asking has to do with the actual workings of the Catholic Church and not the teachings of the Bible. Which the workings, the doctorie of the Catholic church are different than say the Baptist but they all teach about God.

Ok did I make any sense?

I think I understand. I was trying to get to that with my speeding question.

[MojosMama]

My Dad used to say that he believed in God, but not in church. I'm with him on this one. To me, the church itself is too political and money-oriented. This was a decision I had come to BEFORE all of the molestations came to light, and it's what gets me through the night. My priest said I'm a "good will heretic" - meaning that although I'm fundamentally good and try to do the right things as they come along.....it's not enough. Oh well, it's enough for me. I prefer this to sinning my a$$ off and then dropping some money in the collection plate and saying a half dozen Hail Marys to "clean the slate" so to speak.

[rednekkPH]

Not trying to be a wise-ass, I'm honestly curious about this. How does a devout catholic reconcile him/herself with many of the views of the church that he/she does not agree with? Just a quick list of things that the church under the last pope was strongly in opposition to:

pre-marital sex
birth control
death penalty
the war against terrorism
oral sex
divorce
the inclusion of gays/lesbians in anti-hate-crime legislation

I'm fairly sure that not all catholics hold these same beliefs. Do you feel that the church is wrong in their positions, or do you just go against the church on the issues on which you disagree, and hope for forgiveness?

Like I said, I'm really interested in the answer to this. Thanks.

[AlbatrossFlyer]

The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

but Charlie was asking about the Church philosphy. Ok - hear me out. The Bible was written in ancient Hebrew. Thruought time man has translated the Bible and put their own spin on it. The same with the different churches - be them Episcopal, Baptist or Cathloic.

To me what Charlie is asking has to do with the actual workings of the Catholic Church and not the teachings of the Bible. Which the workings, the doctorie of the Catholic church are different than say the Baptist but they all teach about God.

Ok did I make any sense?

yeah that's pretty close. in simple terms, if you don't believe in and live all the catholic teachings why don't you become, say methodist? they both give you a venue for religious faith but not necessarily the non moral intrusions into your life.

[MojosMama]

Not trying to be a wise-ass, I'm honestly curious about this. How does a devout catholic reconcile him/herself with many of the views of the church that he/she does not agree with? Just a quick list of things that the church under the last pope was strongly in opposition to:

pre-marital sex
birth control
death penalty
the war against terrorism
oral sex
divorce
the inclusion of gays/lesbians in anti-hate-crime legislation

I'm fairly sure that not all catholics hold these same beliefs. Do you feel that the church is wrong in their positions, or do you just go against the church on the issues on which you disagree, and hope for forgiveness?

Like I said, I'm really interested in the answer to this. Thanks.

I don't know the answer. I'm definitely not devout. IMHO, my God is a loving and forgiving one - I do not believe that the intentions of the church were what we're faced with today. The things that people prohibit/allow/hide in the name of religion is shameful. So I guess my answer would be that I think the church is wrong.

[AlbatrossFlyer]

Not trying to be a wise-ass, I'm honestly curious about this. How does a devout catholic reconcile him/herself with many of the views of the church that he/she does not agree with? Just a quick list of things that the church under the last pope was strongly in opposition to:

pre-marital sex
birth control
death penalty
the war against terrorism
oral sex
divorce
the inclusion of gays/lesbians in anti-hate-crime legislation

I'm fairly sure that not all catholics hold these same beliefs. Do you feel that the church is wrong in their positions, or do you just go against the church on the issues on which you disagree, and hope for forgiveness?

Like I said, I'm really interested in the answer to this. Thanks.

that's kinda what i'm asking. i understand how the church has decided their position on the these issues and accept them as valid moral positions. but how does a catholic layperson reconcile themselves with the church if they don't accept all of them?

[PHBeerman]

yeah that's pretty close. in simple terms, if you don't believe in and live all the catholic teachings why don't you become, say methodist? they both give you a venue for religious faith but not necessarily the non moral intrusions into your life.

For me, the exclusion of core moral beliefs is much worse than the over-inclusion of core moral beliefs

[UAHparrothead]

Faith is the evidence of things unseen. I believe that faith (in the conetext of Christianity) is a personal relationship with God through His son Jesus Christ. All Christians have core beliefs that is that Jesus was God's only son, was born of Mary a virgin, taught and preached, was crucified and then was rasied from the dead and through His Resurrection we have the hope of eternal life. Without those beliefs you cannot call yourself a Christian. I don't think you have to believe with every single aspect of a particular denomination in order to be a Christian. I certainly do not follow with every single doctrine of the United Methodist Church and I am going to be a minister.

[buffettbride]

Not trying to be a wise-ass, I'm honestly curious about this. How does a devout catholic reconcile him/herself with many of the views of the church that he/she does not agree with? Just a quick list of things that the church under the last pope was strongly in opposition to:

pre-marital sex
birth control
death penalty
the war against terrorism
oral sex
divorce
the inclusion of gays/lesbians in anti-hate-crime legislation

I'm fairly sure that not all catholics hold these same beliefs. Do you feel that the church is wrong in their positions, or do you just go against the church on the issues on which you disagree, and hope for forgiveness?

Like I said, I'm really interested in the answer to this. Thanks.

that's kinda what i'm asking. i understand how the church has decided their position on the these issues and accept them as valid moral positions. but how does a catholic layperson reconcile themselves with the church if they don't accept all of them?

one would naturally assume that one would not become (or continue to be) a catholic layperson if they did not accept all of them.