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I never thought I'd say this, but Jimmy has become a sellout to the almighty dollar.

Not only does he have his restaurants, he spurns traditional venues to play baseball stadiums to satisfy a "lifelong dream" and now takes Radio Margaritaville to Sirius Satellite Radio.

He's sold out - and expects us, his fans, to continue to pay his freight.

Jimmy: how many 57' vessels can you fish from? How many aircraft do you need to buy to head to the islands?

I'm sure my utter disappointment will lead to my post being deleted by administration, but as a life-long radio broadcaster, it angers me that Jimmy is following individuals such as Howard Stern to satellite radio and effectively "dropping trou" and uriniating on terrestrial radio - the media outlet that introduced the world to his music.

If you disagree with me, fine. Jimmy could care less that I refuse to spend one more dollar in his restaurants or other licensed items.

I'm even considering cancelling my two Buffett specialty programs on my radio station - because he'll make money from that in royalties (albeit a small amount).

I never thought I'd say this, but he can burn in Hell. :x :x :x
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bostonrandy wrote:I never thought I'd say this, but Jimmy has become a sellout to the almighty dollar.

Not only does he have his restaurants, he spurns traditional venues to play baseball stadiums to satisfy a "lifelong dream" and now takes Radio Margaritaville to Sirius Satellite Radio.

He's sold out - and expects us, his fans, to continue to pay his freight.

Jimmy: how many 57' vessels can you fish from? How many aircraft do you need to buy to head to the islands?

I'm sure my utter disappointment will lead to my post being deleted by administration, but as a life-long radio broadcaster, it angers me that Jimmy is following individuals such as Howard Stern to satellite radio and effectively "dropping trou" and uriniating on terrestrial radio - the media outlet that introduced the world to his music.

If you disagree with me, fine. Jimmy could care less that I refuse to spend one more dollar in his restaurants or other licensed items.

I'm even considering cancelling my two Buffett specialty programs on my radio station - because he'll make money from that in royalties (albeit a small amount).

I never thought I'd say this, but he can burn in Hell. :x :x :x

Really not a good idea to come on here and say that, your going to catch a lot of stuff for that. Your entitled to your own opinion, as we all are, and I'm goign to say the same thing I always do when this subject comes up. "Jimmy is a genius business man who happens to play guitar. I dont blame him ONE BIT."
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This was stage 9 (????) in the parrothead progression.
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I don't care "who says what" about me. It's my opinion and I'm sure others feel the same way - but are afraid of being flamed for it.

If you choose to spend money to hear RM on Sirius, it's your decision. But, again, as a broadcaster who knows the value of revenue, it's nothing but a case of selling out. Jimmy's not the first - and he won't be the last. It's the one that's hurt me personally the most.
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bostonrandy wrote:I don't care "who says what" about me. It's my opinion and I'm sure others feel the same way - but are afraid of being flamed for it.

If you choose to spend money to hear RM on Sirius, it's your decision. But, again, as a broadcaster who knows the value of revenue, it's nothing but a case of selling out. Jimmy's not the first - and he won't be the last. It's the one that's hurt me personally the most.
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hey, Jimmy has just managed to beat the "suits" at their own game.

I'd do it, too, if I could. :pirate:

Just for what it's worth, I buy Jimmy's stuff because I like it. If he makes something lousy, I won't buy it. It's a system that is both simple and fair, and he doesn't owe me anything.

As for terrestrial radio... they stopped playing his stuff a LONG time ago (there are a few exceptions, I grant, but they are VERY rare.)

If he's on Sirius, at least that's one way I can get his music in my car without having to keep messing with the CD player. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
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bostonrandy wrote:I'm sure my utter disappointment will lead to my post being deleted by administration
Don't be so sure... you'll be fine as long as you maintain a polite demeanor... some will agree with you, some will think you're nuts...

just please don't get personal about it... (that goes for everyone who contributes to the discussion)

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Sounds like jealousy to me.....

Jimmy Buffett can do whatever the hell he wants with the money he makes. If you don't like that, tough. If he wasn't a savvy businessman, he wouldn't be making the money he does. He sells a veriety of products. You either buy them, or you don't.

You have a right to your opinion, and a right to run your business the way you see fit. If you cancel his shows from your station, you have no one to answer to but your customers, the listeners, who may decide to listen to other stations.

You can also refrain from spending another red cent on anything "Buffett."

See, here's the thing..... JB doesn't owe us ONE DAMN THING outside of the products we buy from him. I expect a good show if I buy a ticket. I expect a decent meal if I eat at M'Ville or CIP. I expect decent quality recordings on CD.

JB doesn't owe us one SYLLABLE of explanation for how he spends his money. It's NONE of our business.
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Post by Jahfin »

I know people that say an artist has "sold out" (one of the oldest cliches in the book, by the way) the moment they sign a record contract. I know some that said Buffett sold out when he censored "Livingston Saturday Night" for the Son of a Son of a Sailor album (it's quite different from the version on the Rancho Deluxe soundtrack). Others say it's when he wrote the jingle for Miller Beer, wrote the theme song to the television series Johnny Bago, etc. Me, I think he (and other artists) have "sold out" to varying degrees throughout their careers but I don't think Buffett has radically altered his music just to fit on the airwaves which is possibly the worse form of compromising your art for commerce.

As far as his business ventures go, more power to him. Buffett recognized long ago that he wouldn't be able to bank on his music career forever, particularly when the hits stopped coming following the success of "Margaritaville". I don't care how many jets he owns, how many Margaritaville Cafes he opens, etc. as long as he stays true to his muse and as best as I can tell, he has. No, I'm not going to mistake any of the tunes on License To Chill for anything from A1A but true artists evolve, they don't tread water and I think Buffett has done a fine job of that. Turn on commercial radio and just listen to how corporate it is. If he wants to move Radio Margaritaville to Sirius he has every right to do so and even though I'm an XM subscriber I'm tickled to death to hear he's making that move. Someone has to do something to improve the quality of the airwaves and I'm very glad to see Buffett leading the pack.
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bostonrandy wrote:I never thought I'd say this, but Jimmy has become a sellout to the almighty dollar.

Not only does he have his restaurants, he spurns traditional venues to play baseball stadiums to satisfy a "lifelong dream" and now takes Radio Margaritaville to Sirius Satellite Radio.

He's sold out - and expects us, his fans, to continue to pay his freight.

Jimmy: how many 57' vessels can you fish from? How many aircraft do you need to buy to head to the islands?

I'm sure my utter disappointment will lead to my post being deleted by administration, but as a life-long radio broadcaster, it angers me that Jimmy is following individuals such as Howard Stern to satellite radio and effectively "dropping trou" and uriniating on terrestrial radio - the media outlet that introduced the world to his music.

If you disagree with me, fine. Jimmy could care less that I refuse to spend one more dollar in his restaurants or other licensed items.

I'm even considering cancelling my two Buffett specialty programs on my radio station - because he'll make money from that in royalties (albeit a small amount).

I never thought I'd say this, but he can burn in Hell. :x :x :x
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bostonrandy wrote:ut as a life-long radio broadcaster, it angers me that Jimmy is following individuals such as Howard Stern to satellite radio and effectively "dropping trou" and uriniating on terrestrial radio - the media outlet that introduced the world to his music...
The outlet may have introduced his music, to a degree, but it did little more... with rare exception, he is not played on the radio... why should he show any loyalty? I think Sirius is what parrotheads have been waiting for for years!

(Stern is a whole other argument, and irrelevant if you ask me)
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bostonrandy wrote:I don't care "who says what" about me. It's my opinion and I'm sure others feel the same way - but are afraid of being flamed for it.
Most of the folks who feel this way don't feel the need to visit a "buffettnews" site.......
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UpstateNYPH wrote:
bostonrandy wrote:I don't care "who says what" about me. It's my opinion and I'm sure others feel the same way - but are afraid of being flamed for it.

If you choose to spend money to hear RM on Sirius, it's your decision. But, again, as a broadcaster who knows the value of revenue, it's nothing but a case of selling out. Jimmy's not the first - and he won't be the last. It's the one that's hurt me personally the most.
Yes, it's your opinion, but this board is for praising and discussing the great things he does, not to bash him.
I would also think this board is a place to discuss all things Buffett, not just the "good" things. As long as folks show some discretion when expressing those opinions it should be fine. Not any artist is perfect, least of all Jimmy Buffett.
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msu#1 wrote:
bostonrandy wrote:I never thought I'd say this, but Jimmy has become a sellout to the almighty dollar.

Not only does he have his restaurants, he spurns traditional venues to play baseball stadiums to satisfy a "lifelong dream" and now takes Radio Margaritaville to Sirius Satellite Radio.

He's sold out - and expects us, his fans, to continue to pay his freight.

Jimmy: how many 57' vessels can you fish from? How many aircraft do you need to buy to head to the islands?

I'm sure my utter disappointment will lead to my post being deleted by administration, but as a life-long radio broadcaster, it angers me that Jimmy is following individuals such as Howard Stern to satellite radio and effectively "dropping trou" and uriniating on terrestrial radio - the media outlet that introduced the world to his music.

If you disagree with me, fine. Jimmy could care less that I refuse to spend one more dollar in his restaurants or other licensed items.

I'm even considering cancelling my two Buffett specialty programs on my radio station - because he'll make money from that in royalties (albeit a small amount).

I never thought I'd say this, but he can burn in Hell. :x :x :x
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Jahfin wrote:I know people that say you an artist has "sold out" (one of the oldest cliches in the book, by the way) the moment they sign a record contract. I know some that said Buffett sold out when he censored "Livingston Saturday Night" for the Son of a Son of a Sailor album (it's quite different from the version on the Rancho Deluxe soundtrack). Others say it's when he wrote the jingle for Miller Beer, wrote the theme song to the television series Johnny Bago. Me, I think he (and other artists) have "sold out" to varying degrees throughout their careers but I don't think Buffett has radically altered his music just to fit on the airwaves which is possibly the worse form of compromising your art for commerce.

As far as his business ventures go, more power to him. Buffett recognized long ago that he wouldn't be able to bank on his music career forever, particularly when the hits stopped coming following the success of "Margaritaville". I don't care how many jets he owns, how many Margaritaville Cafes he opens, etc. as long as he stays true to his muse and as best as I can tell, he is. No, I'm not going to mistake any of the tunes on License To Chill for anything from A1A but true artists evolve, they don't tread water and think Buffett has done a fine job of that. Turn on commercial radio and just listen to how corporate it is. If he wants to move Radio Margaritaville to Sirius he has every right to do so and even though I'm an XM subscriber I'm tickled to death to hear he's making that move. Someone has to do something to improve the quality of the airwaves and I'm very glad to see Buffett leading the pack.
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bostonrandy wrote: ... it angers me that Jimmy is following individuals such as Howard Stern to satellite radio and effectively "dropping trou" and uriniating on terrestrial radio - the media outlet that introduced the world to his music.
Not to nitpick, but didn't radio introduce the music to the world, not the other way around?
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>>the media outlet that introduced the world to his music.<<

It was intentionally typed that way........I tend to take occasional license with sentence structure for effect.
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Post by Jahfin »

Radio ended up being kind to Buffett but just speaking for myself here, it's not how I first heard of him. An other brother brought some albums home from college on one of his weekends home (Living and Dying In 3/4 Time, A1A) back in the early 70s, that served as my introduction to Buffett not commercial radio. Later, I heard him on the radio on a fairly regular basis (and still do) but it wasn't until "Margaritaville" became a hit.
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bostonrandy wrote:I never thought I'd say this, but Jimmy has become a sellout to the almighty dollar.

Not only does he have his restaurants, he spurns traditional venues to play baseball stadiums to satisfy a "lifelong dream" and now takes Radio Margaritaville to Sirius Satellite Radio.

He's sold out - and expects us, his fans, to continue to pay his freight.

Jimmy: how many 57' vessels can you fish from? How many aircraft do you need to buy to head to the islands?

I'm sure my utter disappointment will lead to my post being deleted by administration, but as a life-long radio broadcaster, it angers me that Jimmy is following individuals such as Howard Stern to satellite radio and effectively "dropping trou" and uriniating on terrestrial radio - the media outlet that introduced the world to his music.

If you disagree with me, fine. Jimmy could care less that I refuse to spend one more dollar in his restaurants or other licensed items.

I'm even considering cancelling my two Buffett specialty programs on my radio station - because he'll make money from that in royalties (albeit a small amount).

I never thought I'd say this, but he can burn in Hell. :x :x :x
Ok let me respond to that one paragraph at a time:
1. Wanting to make more money while you are still able to is simply capitalism not selling out, this is America if he wants to charge more for his concerts or cheese burgers at his resteraunt that is his business and if you don't want to pay for it, simply don't there are many others behind you (including myself) who will. Jimmy has a very specific nitch that noone else has ever really be able to fill as successfully as he does (selling escapeism) some people including me who have stressful lives need that day at the concert or even the three minutes when I listen to Margaritaville in the car to relax and slow down from a long day.

2. The resteraunts are a good thing, for two reasons, 1) it gives parrotheads a place to stop while they are on vacation that they know they will be with like minded people and 2) it exposed a whole new crowd to Jimmys music. Jimmy is legitimatly a baseball fan and if he wants to play a stadium like wrigley or fenway thats his business, people will come, we should all just be happy he is still playing music and hasnt dissapeared to one of those islands yet, as far as Sirius I will adress that one in a minute.

3. Again he didn't sell out, but if you insist that he did you can be right I don't feel like argueing with you on this one, as far as paying his freight, he is a A List Musician in 2005, all of the comparable artists are making the same money (Elton John, Madonna, The Rolling Stones, and even new artists like Eminem and Kenny Chesney are charging about the same for shows)

4. "Jimmy: how many 57' vessels can you fish from? How many aircraft do you need to buy to head to the islands?" Lets be serious for a second, if you enjoyed fishing and flying as much as Jimmy obviously does and you had the oppertunities he does (the ability to buy as many boats and planes as he wants) are you honestly telling me you wouldnt take them? it's nice to have nice things, and he who dies with the most toys win.

5. Now to what i suspect that this is really about. the Sirius Radio thing, Jimmy is not like Howard Stern who is pulling his programs from radio all together, regular radio can still play his songs, when Howard leaves the channels won't have his progarming, but to be honest I can count the number of times I have heard Jimmy on the radio, on my two hands, he just honestly doesnt get airtime so if he wants to go to a place where his music will be on more often and probably introduced to a whole new crowd, why not? as far as "dropping trou and uriniating on terrestrial radio" how is he doing that, like I said before you can still play his music if you want to, its not like he is going to Sirius and saying noone can play my music on FM radio anymore its just him using new technology to bring his music to more/different people and if he makes a few bucks along the way thats cool with me. I personally love the idea since now I can listen to Radiomargaritaville on the car, in the boat, by the pool and a whole list of other places I dont have an internet connection for my laptop.

6 and 7. If youre upset with Jimmy, thats cool, don't go to his resteraunts, or his shows, don't buy his CD's or t-shirts, its an extra seat for someone who wants to be there, whether they be a parrothead or a frat boy at least they will enjoy the show, if you wanna stop playing him on your show because of the four or five cents he gets every time you play one of his songs, thats cool but it wont even make a dent in his pocketbook, I personally think you should leave it on there for the people who do like his music and either don't want to or can't afford to get Sirius, if you stop playing him wont you basically go against most of what you said because you will make it so the only place you can hear his music is if you buy the CD's or the Sirius system? if you ask me that would be the equivalent of dropping trou and p*** on regular AM/FM radio.

8. not really a response just my conclusion, first sorry about all the spelling errors I was typing quickly and it was a bit longer than I origionally intended, but hold no illusions, Jimmy is a businessman who happens to have a band, you can call it whatever you want but I call it smart, he was able to use his image and music to secure his family and future Buffett's finances being pretty secure, and I'm cool with that, stop whining, stop b itching, stop complaining, if you don't like it move on, Jimmy Buffett/Margaritaville shrimp, radio, bars ect are a huge business now with lots of people making money from them, even in everyone on this board banded together to boycot them which wont happen we would barely make a dent.
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If you don't like it, don't buy it...I've become a lot less of a fan of Buffett the man...but the music and the atomosphere he creates is one that appeals to me greatly.
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