Buffett and others on vinyl - Trading

tdparrothead · Post by **tdparrothead** » June 17, 2005 3:38 pm

I went out today and bought my first JB albums on vinyl. I found Floridays in mint condition for $1 and SOAOSOAS, a bit more used for $2. Floridays is my favorite so I'm quite happy with my purchases.

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » June 17, 2005 3:59 pm

I have seven in all-two I bought when they first came out (Volcano and S.Y.K.B.H.), and the others I bought from a used record store here for no more than $3.00-$4.00 each. All are in excellent condition.
And I DO have a working turntable.

tdparrothead · Post by **tdparrothead** » June 17, 2005 4:03 pm

Wino you know wrote:I have seven in all-two I bought when they first came out (Volcano and S.Y.K.B.H.), and the others I bought from a used record store here for no more than $3.00-$4.00 each. All are in excellent condition.
And I DO have a working turntable.

I just bought a brand new turntable 2 weeks ago, so I needed to expand the record collection.

Parrot Monkey · Post by **Parrot Monkey** » June 17, 2005 4:35 pm

I've got A-1-A, CILCIA, You Had To Be There and Coconut Telegraph on vinyl (all first pressings), and a good modern turntable (yes they still make them).

Each one is better than the CD versions, in sound and artwork, and I'm dead serious.

tdparrothead · Post by **tdparrothead** » June 17, 2005 4:42 pm

Parrot Monkey wrote:I've got A-1-A, CILCIA, You Had To Be There and Coconut Telegraph on vinyl (all first pressings), and a good modern turntable (yes they still make them).

Each one is better than the CD versions, in sound and artwork, and I'm dead serious.

I've always enjoyed the sound of vinyl too. I do have a few scratched ones though that sound horrible. My turntable is brand new. It has a vintage look to it and it also plays cds, very cool.

Cubbie Bear · Post by **Cubbie Bear** » June 17, 2005 4:43 pm

Got every vinyl release, most are about worn smooth.

Lincoln Ave in Chicago near Lincoln Park has some great used vinyl shops if you need to restock. Just a few blocks from Wrigley

Parrot Monkey · Post by **Parrot Monkey** » June 17, 2005 6:52 pm

Well, yes, not only is the warmth of vinyl a delight to listen to, I’m no audiophile who avoids digital. It’s just that with Buffett albums, the vinyl pressings used the master tapes as the source when the CDs obviously did not.

I’ve heard rumors that a few of the initial Dylan CD releases did the same thing, so record companies take shortcuts like that often.

sonofabeach · Post by **sonofabeach** » June 17, 2005 7:00 pm

Parrot Monkey wrote:Well, yes, not only is the warmth of vinyl a delight to listen to

I agree. "Warmth" is the right word.
Last week I bought a near mint Buffett handwritten Columbia Test Pressing called "Kick it in Second Wind" containing some very rare songs as well as some classics.
As I sat there in my floor burning the songs to cd and listening with my headphones I noticed that the sound was great and even noticed things musically that I've never heard before.

Parrot Monkey · Post by **Parrot Monkey** » June 17, 2005 7:09 pm

The other part of my message you didn’t quote is probably more responsible for you not being able to hear certain things on the CD as good as on the vinyl. The fact that CD is simply a digital method of music storage doesn’t cripple it anyhow to not be able to replicate to complete recording. It’s the lack of referencing the master tapes is what hurt the 73-86 Buffett CDs. With a good CD remaster, you would hear everything in great quality.

Admit it: MCA’s excuses for Jimmy Buffett Compact Discs are a disgrace.

Don’t mean to turn this thread into one of those that everyone dreads from me, but it’s not really a subject stretch that makes it go off topic, is it?

tdparrothead · Post by **tdparrothead** » June 17, 2005 10:41 pm

Parrot Monkey wrote:The other part of my message you didn’t quote is probably more responsible for you not being able to hear certain things on the CD as good as on the vinyl. The fact that CD is simply a digital method of music storage doesn’t cripple it anyhow to not be able to replicate to complete recording. It’s the lack of referencing the master tapes is what hurt the 73-86 Buffett CDs. With a good CD remaster, you would hear everything in great quality.

Admit it: MCA’s excuses for Jimmy Buffett Compact Discs are a disgrace.

Don’t mean to turn this thread into one of those that everyone dreads from me, but it’s not really a subject stretch that makes it go off topic, is it?

I hope I didn't start another Parrot Monkey rant.

Just kidding, PM.

Parrot Monkey · Post by **Parrot Monkey** » June 17, 2005 10:56 pm

tdparrothead wrote:I hope I didn't start another Parrot Monkey rant.

Just kidding, PM.

He he!

But you know, MCA really made a bad move back in... blah... blah... blah...

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...So they need remast... Hey, how come nobody is listening to me?!

Naw, I’ll do all I can to stop, I just wanted to make that clear that it’s not simply the piece of vinyl that makes Buffett vinyl sound better.

It’s just that Jimmy could sooo own his own masters if he wanted to, and make better CDs on Mailboat.

If Michael Jackson could own the Beatles catalogue, I’m sure Jimmy Buffett could own Jimmy Buffett recordings.

tdparrothead · Post by **tdparrothead** » June 17, 2005 11:00 pm

Parrot Monkey wrote:
tdparrothead wrote:I hope I didn't start another Parrot Monkey rant.

Just kidding, PM.
He he!

But you know, MCA really made a bad move back in... blah... blah... blah...

...

...

...

...So they need remast... Hey, how come nobody is listening to me?!

Naw, I’ll do all I can to stop, I just wanted to make that clear that it’s not simply the piece of vinyl that makes Buffett vinyl sound better.

We all listened the first time Parrot Monkey.

But it's not up to us it's those corporate bastards at MCA... oh no it's contagious...

Parrot Monkey · Post by **Parrot Monkey** » June 18, 2005 9:42 am

tdparrothead wrote: But it's not up to us it's those corporate bastards at MCA... oh no it's contagious...

[in an Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sideous voice:] Good tdparrothead, goooooood! Very good!

tdparrothead · Post by **tdparrothead** » June 18, 2005 6:23 pm

Parrot Monkey wrote:
tdparrothead wrote: But it's not up to us it's those corporate bastards at MCA... oh no it's contagious...

[in an Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sideous voice:] Good tdparrothead, goooooood! Very good!

jellocannoncrew · Post by **jellocannoncrew** » June 18, 2005 9:06 pm

I have a record of S.O.A.S.O.A.S. on vinyl although I have never heard it played; I do not have a record player. The cover, in and out, is pretty cool. Who would have thought that these would become "rare"!

NHfinztotheleft · Post by **NHfinztotheleft** » June 19, 2005 6:20 pm

Finally got all of them a couple of years ago. Most came from a local record store that sells used vinyls for about $5. Picked 2 up on ebay to complete the collection.

Parrot Monkey · Post by **Parrot Monkey** » June 19, 2005 6:48 pm

I know, it’s awful that you have to look for out-of-print items to be able to hear the albums that way intended and to see the visual portion. Yes, I said the visual portion of the album. To me the packaging is part of the album just as the music is, not some bonus that should be optional to include on re-pressings.

Again, it’s not the piece of vinyl or plastic that makes vinyl or CD better. One could hear a vinyl LP of and album and then a CD, and think the vinyl release is better. Or, on the other hand you could think the CD is a better sound than the record. It’s not the format, it’s what was done with/without the tapes to get it on there.

MCA’s approach is laziness and/or rushing the titles out. They didn’t bother to research the original tapes or the photograph negatives, and it shows big time. I don’t believe in 18+ years that nobody else has made as big of a stink about this as I have. I know there was no internet at the time, but I would have to think there was some kind of protest for this back in the 80s when these releases came out.

ccmatt · Post by **ccmatt** » June 20, 2005 11:14 am

Parrot Monkey, I agree with you. I have all the albums and remember when they came. Just hanging around reading all the notes and stuff while listening to the album is something kids today don't get to experience with their own music and that sucks.

conched · Post by **conched** » June 20, 2005 1:21 pm

Someone asked a very good lyrics question a couple weeks ago that I never saw an answer to.

Where did these lyrics come from?

"Such a long haul to such a short fall..."

Were those lyrics on another version of a Jimmy song?

Parrot Monkey · Post by **Parrot Monkey** » June 20, 2005 1:23 pm

ccmatt wrote:Parrot Monkey, I agree with you. I have all the albums and remember when they came. Just hanging around reading all the notes and stuff while listening to the album is something kids today don't get to experience with their own music and that sucks.

Sure they do, CDs include the same stuff vinyls did, it’s just all in the booklets, you just have to pull them and look through them. Of course, if it’s an album that originated on vinyl LP, the record company’s art director would have to had include all the same stuff. In the case of all the Buffett albums up to 1986, it's just not all there with the CDs when it could have been.

MP3s, on the other hand, are exactly what you said: packageless, which partially makes that format the devil. MP3s and all other computer music file formats allow too much freedom with music, at least in my opinion.

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