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sy wrote: I think it is absolutely acceptable to have a fierce belief and fight for that belief, be it for animals, people, your foot, a tree, etc.

My problem with these people is that when you try to talk to them about their cause, all they can do is spew propaganda and talk like an automaton. They can not differ from their cause, they cannot even consider or discuss anything that does not strictly adhere to what they're shoving in your face. I have the same problem with them that I do the very in your face religious people who try to convert and intimidate.

I have no problem discussing a belief, but I sort of look for a discussion and not a tyrranical speech. It's that open minded thing, I guess.

Sam wrote:One thing that seems to be different with those that professionaly protest, such as those that protest the G-8, and those that protest infront of abortion clinics ( and I could be wrong about this ) is that those that protest infront of abortion clinics don't seem to have videos and cameras and lawyers or other people with legal documents to be signed forpolice brutality /harrassment etc.

The abortion protestors, also don't seem to chain themselves together using the various devices that they could easily be harmed when removed by paramedics or whoever and turn around and file assualt/harrasment charges against the people removing them.

captainjoe wrote:

Sam wrote:One thing that seems to be different with those that professionaly protest, such as those that protest the G-8, and those that protest infront of abortion clinics ( and I could be wrong about this ) is that those that protest infront of abortion clinics don't seem to have videos and cameras and lawyers or other people with legal documents to be signed forpolice brutality /harrassment etc.

The abortion protestors, also don't seem to chain themselves together using the various devices that they could easily be harmed when removed by paramedics or whoever and turn around and file assualt/harrasment charges against the people removing them.

You are right Sam, they just blow up abortion clinics. They cause no harm.

tikitatas wrote:

sy wrote: I think it is absolutely acceptable to have a fierce belief and fight for that belief, be it for animals, people, your foot, a tree, etc.

My problem with these people is that when you try to talk to them about their cause, all they can do is spew propaganda and talk like an automaton. They can not differ from their cause, they cannot even consider or discuss anything that does not strictly adhere to what they're shoving in your face. I have the same problem with them that I do the very in your face religious people who try to convert and intimidate.

I have no problem discussing a belief, but I sort of look for a discussion and not a tyrranical speech. It's that open minded thing, I guess.

Well said, Jen! Discussion GOOD.

tikitatas wrote:My problem with these people is that when you try to talk to them about their cause, all they can do is spew propaganda and talk like an automaton.

Key Lime Lee wrote:

tikitatas wrote:My problem with these people is that when you try to talk to them about their cause, all they can do is spew propaganda and talk like an automaton.

It's like watching CNN interview people after the president gives a speech. Mr. Joe Brainless from Idaho will repeat the talking points almost like a wind-up doll.

PHBeerman wrote: The damn Campus Crusaders for Christ who insist on coming by while I am tailgating at the football games to inform me of such things like
"Hell is hot"
No s***? Why do you think I am drinking all this beer?

Sam wrote:

captainjoe wrote:

Sam wrote:One thing that seems to be different with those that professionaly protest, such as those that protest the G-8, and those that protest infront of abortion clinics ( and I could be wrong about this ) is that those that protest infront of abortion clinics don't seem to have videos and cameras and lawyers or other people with legal documents to be signed forpolice brutality /harrassment etc.

The abortion protestors, also don't seem to chain themselves together using the various devices that they could easily be harmed when removed by paramedics or whoever and turn around and file assualt/harrasment charges against the people removing them.

You are right Sam, they just blow up abortion clinics. They cause no harm.

I never said that.... BUT tell me how many abortion clinics have been bombed vs how military recruiters offices were bombed? And tell me how many of the anti abortion crowd carry around lawyers and cameras and documents ready to be signed for abuse by police and have people ready to bail them out of jail???

PHBeerman wrote:I think they are all wackos.

Kind of like PETA protesting fishing and disturbing me while I am trying to rip a poor trout out of the river by its lips.

Or

The damn Campus Crusaders for Christ who insist on coming by while I am tailgating at the football games to inform me of such things like
"Hell is hot"
No s***? Why do you think I am drinking all this beer?

Blonde Stranger wrote:

Sam wrote:

captainjoe wrote:

Sam wrote:One thing that seems to be different with those that professionaly protest, such as those that protest the G-8, and those that protest infront of abortion clinics ( and I could be wrong about this ) is that those that protest infront of abortion clinics don't seem to have videos and cameras and lawyers or other people with legal documents to be signed forpolice brutality /harrassment etc.

The abortion protestors, also don't seem to chain themselves together using the various devices that they could easily be harmed when removed by paramedics or whoever and turn around and file assualt/harrasment charges against the people removing them.

You are right Sam, they just blow up abortion clinics. They cause no harm.

I never said that.... BUT tell me how many abortion clinics have been bombed vs how military recruiters offices were bombed? And tell me how many of the anti abortion crowd carry around lawyers and cameras and documents ready to be signed for abuse by police and have people ready to bail them out of jail???

That statement implies that the quantity of violence correlates to relative degrees of acceptance. I'm sure the families of murdered abortion doctors would take issue with that.

Honestly, why try to justify one side over the other when both groups, which are the fringe wackjob element of their respective ideologies, do the same acts? You don't have to be an apologist for the fundie antiabortion protestors who think nothing of resorting to violence.

As for being prepared to face the legal consequences, the antiabortion protesters are WELL aware of what they can and cannot do legally; they are just as savvy as their unwashed pinko brethren.

sy wrote:My problem with these people is that when you try to talk to them about their cause, all they can do is spew propaganda and talk like an automaton. They can not differ from their cause, they cannot even consider or discuss anything that does not strictly adhere to what they're shoving in your face. I have the same problem with them that I do the very in your face religious people who try to convert and intimidate.

I have no problem discussing a belief, but I sort of look for a discussion and not a tyrranical speech. It's that open minded thing, I guess.

sy wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:I think they are all wackos.

Kind of like PETA protesting fishing and disturbing me while I am trying to rip a poor trout out of the river by its lips.

Or

The damn Campus Crusaders for Christ who insist on coming by while I am tailgating at the football games to inform me of such things like
"Hell is hot"
No s***? Why do you think I am drinking all this beer?

There's some damned Baptist group (nothing against Baptists, please) that knocks on my front door like clockwork, once a month, with their wonderful book, trying to save me.......at 8:30 in the morning. Damn them. Every freaking month.

The fact that they're still doing it is stupid enough, even with the 'no trespassing' sign so visible.

The fact that they know I'm going to answer the door with the dog in tow, growling and snarling at them is even stupider. This has been going on for over a year. They just will not stop.

sy wrote:
There's some damned Baptist group (nothing against Baptists, please) that knocks on my front door like clockwork, once a month, with their wonderful book, trying to save me.......at 8:30 in the morning. Damn them. Every freaking month.

The fact that they're still doing it is stupid enough, even with the 'no trespassing' sign so visible.

The fact that they know I'm going to answer the door with the dog in tow, growling and snarling at them is even stupider. This has been going on for over a year. They just will not stop.

ragtopW wrote:

sy wrote:
There's some damned Baptist group (nothing against Baptists, please) that knocks on my front door like clockwork, once a month, with their wonderful book, trying to save me.......at 8:30 in the morning. Damn them. Every freaking month.

The fact that they're still doing it is stupid enough, even with the 'no trespassing' sign so visible.

The fact that they know I'm going to answer the door with the dog in tow, growling and snarling at them is even stupider. This has been going on for over a year. They just will not stop.

Just answer the door naked and ask them to dance and offer them a drink ... Silly Parrothead ,they Thrive on being yelled at..

Sam wrote:

Blonde Stranger wrote:

Sam wrote:

captainjoe wrote:

Sam wrote:One thing that seems to be different with those that professionaly protest, such as those that protest the G-8, and those that protest infront of abortion clinics ( and I could be wrong about this ) is that those that protest infront of abortion clinics don't seem to have videos and cameras and lawyers or other people with legal documents to be signed forpolice brutality /harrassment etc.

The abortion protestors, also don't seem to chain themselves together using the various devices that they could easily be harmed when removed by paramedics or whoever and turn around and file assualt/harrasment charges against the people removing them.

You are right Sam, they just blow up abortion clinics. They cause no harm.

I never said that.... BUT tell me how many abortion clinics have been bombed vs how military recruiters offices were bombed? And tell me how many of the anti abortion crowd carry around lawyers and cameras and documents ready to be signed for abuse by police and have people ready to bail them out of jail???

no they just throw blood/urineand scream at young people walking into a planned parenthood clinic ( the kids were MARRIED and getting Prenatal advice/help

That statement implies that the quantity of violence correlates to relative degrees of acceptance. I'm sure the families of murdered abortion doctors would take issue with that.

Honestly, why try to justify one side over the other when both groups, which are the fringe wackjob element of their respective ideologies, do the same acts? You don't have to be an apologist for the fundie antiabortion protestors who think nothing of resorting to violence.

As for being prepared to face the legal consequences, the antiabortion protesters are WELL aware of what they can and cannot do legally; they are just as savvy as their unwashed pinko brethren.

yes but they use the Bible to hide behind and their BEING right


I am not comparing quantities here at all....I am merely pointing out where they got some of the tactics they use from. You may see a large police presence at anti abortion rally's or protests, but you don't hear the anti abortion crowd screaming that the "police presence" is intimidating them do you? Do you hear any of them screaming "Police Brutality"?
yes right after they were told my team and I would not be arrested for any act of violence that happened if they reached across the tape.



Do you care to argue that by far the disproportionate behavior between the two groups? OR are you arguing it is ok for one side to do conduct themselves in such manner for left wing socialist casues, but not ok for the other side to retaliate in kind??? How much destruction and how many riots have the anti-abortionists caused? how many people have not gotten the help they needed (non abortion) because they were scared to be seen going into or out of a plannedparenthood clinic

I don't apologize for anyone else's behavior. If they choose to get in my face that is their choice and the response I give, will or should make them think at least twice before they try it again. If they fail to do so, it is out of my hands.

As for the anti abortion crowd being so savvy ...let me know when you have proof of what the anti abortion protestors have done as much in comparison, with say with the G-8 and other left wing protestors and having the lawyers, documents, cameras, ect., right there watching and waiting. I am not saying that they don't , but I have never seen any of them waiting to be abused by the police. I will be more than pleased if you can prove that they actually do so.
Is the Police and security response as great or greater than to an anti abortion protest than to say an anti war protests? More of which, protests usually tend to be more violent?
I am not about to justify or deny or condone acts of violence of any protestor for ANY cause....but I know from personal experience what I have seen and actually experienced and faced. If you care to deny that so be it. Your choice. Acts of violenceby individuals that believe in bombing abortion clinics and doctors are not the same as say rioting, turning over and burning cars, destroying numerous stores and property...
at least to me, but perhaps you think differently....again your choice.

tommcat327 wrote:

buffettbride wrote:I had this thought last night as I was driving home, stuck in a traffic jam behind god knows how many big trucks and SUVs...obviously these folks are doing a pretty crappy job because never, EVER actually seen one of these stickers on a car.

HIPPIES DONT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WELL, THAT WOULD ALMOST BE LIKE WORK

ragtopW wrote:

sy wrote:
There's some damned Baptist group (nothing against Baptists, please) that knocks on my front door like clockwork, once a month, with their wonderful book, trying to save me.......at 8:30 in the morning. Damn them. Every freaking month.

The fact that they're still doing it is stupid enough, even with the 'no trespassing' sign so visible.

The fact that they know I'm going to answer the door with the dog in tow, growling and snarling at them is even stupider. This has been going on for over a year. They just will not stop.

Just answer the door naked and ask them to dance and offer them a drink ...

ragtopW wrote:


And they roll they Best Joints...

bravedave wrote:

ragtopW wrote:

sy wrote:
There's some damned Baptist group (nothing against Baptists, please) that knocks on my front door like clockwork, once a month, with their wonderful book, trying to save me.......at 8:30 in the morning. Damn them. Every freaking month.

The fact that they're still doing it is stupid enough, even with the 'no trespassing' sign so visible.

The fact that they know I'm going to answer the door with the dog in tow, growling and snarling at them is even stupider. This has been going on for over a year. They just will not stop.

Just answer the door naked and ask them to dance and offer them a drink ...

Sorry, I just can't let this one go.
(On account of I never pass up a cheap laugh.)

Q: How come Baptists don't make love standing up?
A: Someone might think they're dancing.

We now return you to your regular program...


(I'll take all the heat, and even banning/suspension for that one.)