Letter to Bush from Michael Moore

[redwinemaker]

I do wish Sam would tell us what he really feels and not hold back so much

[Sam]

Woooo Hoooo Sam!
I could have never found the words to say that, and it is VERY well said. I could not agree more.

Thank you! For your kind thoughts! A cold refreshing adult beverage of choice to you!
( Just don't tell anyone...ok! or I will claim you stole it!!! You young pirate and have you prosecuted for that and picking belly button lint out of the girls" without a valid license! )

I have my doubts some other will think so highly of it, though and consider it to be another rant or diatribe...or crap or something! Oh well that is thier view, isn't it!

[Sam]

I do wish Sam would tell us what he really feels and not hold back so much

About what???

[Gulfbreeze]

I don't think that I have ever responded to anything that Sam has said in the past, simply because I don't really like to get involved in all this snit...but your 9/10 paragraph response on page 2...

Thank you...

[Sam]

I don't think that I have ever responded to anything that Sam has said in the past, simply because I don't really like to get involved in all this snit...but your 9/10 paragraph response on page 2...

Thank you...

I can understand that!


Most welkies...and thank you!
A cold adult libation of choice to as well!!! For now, we have to wait and see what Ophelia is gonna do. I need not wonder if Moore is going to blame Ophelia on President Bush and the pseudo science of "global warming" and the Kyoto protocols, too. Do I ???

[unclejohn]

Im getting tired of Michael Moore too. Arent his "15 minutes" about over?

[12vmanRick]

BTW, one more thing.

Michael Moore is an idiot, blinded by hate of G.W. Bush, concerned more with re-inserting his name into the body politic than actually checking facts.

Embracing MM is a major reason the Democratic party is losing elections and thrashing about with no clear ideology, ideas, or even suggestions.

I'm not a Democrat, but I would sure welcome the return of some men (or women!) with the integrity and backbone of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman. I don't necessarily agree with their beliefs, but at least they could hold up their end of the intellectual political discussion that this country sorely needs. Currently, Joe Lieberman is about the best we have, and he's a lone voice of reason in a room full of shouters who have nothing to say.

Bravo!

[12vmanRick]

Here's the relevant part from the Wall Street Journal...

The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.

In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.

Yes, the Feds could have moved faster. Yes, the National Guard (maybe) could have taken control of the city quicker. BUT... local officials are supposed to have plans and carry them out. I dunno if the mayor and governor just lack guts, or leadership ability, or what, but something is seriously wrong with how they handled this thing. There was definitely no Rudy Guiliani in control of this one...

someone did their homework I like it!

[sy]

Im getting tired of Michael Moore too. Arent his "15 minutes" about over?

One could only hope, but I believe his next venture is the attack against the HMO's and American healthcare in general. At least that's what I heard a couple of months ago.

[Sam]

Im getting tired of Michael Moore too. Arent his "15 minutes" about over?

One could only hope, but I believe his next venture is the attack against the HMO's and American healthcare in general. At least that's what I heard a couple of months ago.

I have no doubt !!! Though his immediate plans should be getting his money's worth from that "weight loss clinic"...perhaps do a documentary on how much he paid to lose per pound.

Something tells me he is going to come after President Bush hard on this.
Be ready for Moore to do an "expose documentary" on the Katrina victims....and survivors.
Those opposed to President Bush are not hesitating in turning this tragic loss of life and devastation into an attempted political advantage. They clearly care more about own political posturing and image and misdirection, than helping "WE" the people in such a dire time of need....of course they don't seem very concerned about helping them much at anyother time either.....so why should a national disaster involving the total loss of several cities in towns in at least three states and massive destruction of property and lives on such a large scale be any different

[mermaidindisguise]

I'm not a Democrat, but I would sure welcome the return of some men (or women!) with the integrity and backbone of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman. I don't necessarily agree with their beliefs, but at least they could hold up their end of the intellectual political discussion that this country sorely needs

well said.... I totally agree. We certainly don't have that now and I am sure most people will agree to at least that. I don't blame Bush for everything - I am not a Michal Moore fan.... but I have not been impressed with Bush's actions in the past- I don't have time to blame the rest of the idiots in power in LA

I too want a President who will step up to the plate, not take any crap and give in to the big boys... we all deserve that!

[12vmanRick]

I too want a President who will step up to the plate, not take any crap and give in to the big boys... we all deserve that!

don't we all!! and NOT go to a useless, unthought out war with NO exit plan!

We should have gotten the TURRISTS first

[Sam]

I too want a President who will step up to the plate, not take any crap and give in to the big boys... we all deserve that!

don't we all!! and NOT go to a useless, unthought out war with NO exit plan!

We should have gotten the TURRISTS first

Rick,
What was our "exit plan" in WWII?? Did we even have one??? Is an "exit plan" all of a sudden a new political correct term???
I could ask where is or what was/is our exit plan in Kosovo or Bosnia....

The war in Iraq is not useless...it is actually set to accomplish more than one objective and goals. We don't see all that goes on there.
Where else would you fight the terrs? In Afghanistan??? Take a look at the terrain....look at history. What targets did the Russians leave unattacked or did they not bomb??? How many of their troops lost their lives after 8 years or so of such destruction? They still lost.....

Perhaps we should "capture" Michael Moore and place him on a heavy lift aircraft and airdrop him into the mountains of the reported area where the really badguys are suppose to be...perhaps he could settle the war on terror all by himself....

Perhaps we could use him for an instant levee....

Perhaps he will donate some of his millions or auction off his awards or something......or at least donate his time to helping the people in need, rather than maintaining his leftwing agenda. Somehow I don't think anyone should hold thier breath waiting for any of the above to happen......

[12vmanRick]

I too want a President who will step up to the plate, not take any crap and give in to the big boys... we all deserve that!

don't we all!! and NOT go to a useless, unthought out war with NO exit plan!

We should have gotten the TURRISTS first

Rick,
What was our "exit plan" in WWII?? Did we even have one??? Is an "exit plan" all of a sudden a new political correct term???
I could ask where is or what was/is our exit plan in Kosovo or Bosnia....

The war in Iraq is not useless...it is actually set to accomplish more than one objective and goals. We don't see all that goes on there.
Where else would you fight the terrs? In Afghanistan??? Take a look at the terrain....look at history. What targets did the Russians leave unattacked or did they not bomb??? How many of their troops lost their lives after 8 years or so of such destruction? They still lost.....

Perhaps we should "capture" Michael Moore and place him on a heavy lift aircraft and airdrop him into the mountains of the reported area where the really badguys are suppose to be...perhaps he could settle the war on terror all by himself....

Perhaps we could use him for an instant levee....

Perhaps he will donate some of his millions or auction off his awards or something......or at least donate his time to helping the people in need, rather than maintaining his leftwing agenda. Somehow I don't think anyone should hold thier breath waiting for any of the above to happen......

yea I know the exit plan is a buzz word but it seems to fit. My reasoning behind using that is simple. Where or when was the plan to move out? What was the primary and secondary objectives? Was a good plan in place to see that happen? A timeline? Nobody can seem to answer those questions. See like Vietnam we went in with no clear strategy. I am not saying that Iraq wasn't a threat. I am just saying I wish we had gone after other issues like the Al Queda(sp?) organization first. Sure, Iraq wasn't cooperating with many UN Resolutions but how severe was it? Well not being in the Presidents cabinet I am not privy to that. I just hate seeing us over there in a country, the whole region in my opinion, that have hundreds of years of fighting and quite honestly Sam, it's not our fight. I hope that exlpained a little. I am not happy with Bush's performance. I wasn't happy with Clinton's. Maybe someday we'll get a president in there that actually does the right thing but I doubt it. Partly because they are all rich and do not know what it's like to be you and I. Anyone that thinks Hitlery is the answer is misguided. She would have us as close to socialism as she could.

[Sam]

I too want a President who will step up to the plate, not take any crap and give in to the big boys... we all deserve that!

don't we all!! and NOT go to a useless, unthought out war with NO exit plan!

We should have gotten the TURRISTS first

Rick,
What was our "exit plan" in WWII?? Did we even have one??? Is an "exit plan" all of a sudden a new political correct term???
I could ask where is or what was/is our exit plan in Kosovo or Bosnia....

The war in Iraq is not useless...it is actually set to accomplish more than one objective and goals. We don't see all that goes on there.
Where else would you fight the terrs? In Afghanistan??? Take a look at the terrain....look at history. What targets did the Russians leave unattacked or did they not bomb??? How many of their troops lost their lives after 8 years or so of such destruction? They still lost.....

Perhaps we should "capture" Michael Moore and place him on a heavy lift aircraft and airdrop him into the mountains of the reported area where the really badguys are suppose to be...perhaps he could settle the war on terror all by himself....

Perhaps we could use him for an instant levee....

Perhaps he will donate some of his millions or auction off his awards or something......or at least donate his time to helping the people in need, rather than maintaining his leftwing agenda. Somehow I don't think anyone should hold thier breath waiting for any of the above to happen......

yea I know the exit plan is a buzz word but it seems to fit. My reasoning behind using that is simple. Where or when was the plan to move out? What was the primary and secondary objectives? Was a good plan in place to see that happen? A timeline? Nobody can seem to answer those questions. See like Vietnam we went in with no clear strategy. I am not saying that Iraq wasn't a threat. I am just saying I wish we had gone after other issues like the Al Queda(sp?) organization first. Sure, Iraq wasn't cooperating with many UN Resolutions but how severe was it? Well not being in the Presidents cabinet I am not privy to that. I just hate seeing us over there in a country, the whole region in my opinion, that have hundreds of years of fighting and quite honestly Sam, it's not our fight. I hope that exlpained a little. I am not happy with Bush's performance. I wasn't happy with Clinton's. Maybe someday we'll get a president in there that actually does the right thing but I doubt it. Partly because they are all rich and do not know what it's like to be you and I. Anyone that thinks Hitlery is the answer is misguided. She would have us as close to socialism as she could.

Rick, No argument from me...
First it is not like Vietnam.It is most unlike any other war we have ever fought.....Politicians are not targeting and for the most part are letting the military do their job.
These are my opinions based upon several factors and observations...

Well to try and answer your first question as to when we will pull out is easy one..it has been answered before and many times over..... More or less...it amounts to this or something close to it: We will pull out when Iraq becomes a viable and stable country, with a self sustaing goverment.
There can be no calendar date effectiviely set at this time ...at least two reasons:
1. The terrs could simply go hide and blend in until that date and then the day after all hell breaks loose. Vietnam for example and how the North did the South...in what was it ...6 months or so???
2. The terrs know we are pulling out and could do anything they wanted without fear of repercussions as our troops draw down.

Objectives:
Overall...Containment! We could not possibly take them on and expect a simple win in Afghanistan. A war with them there would be devastating in lives alone. Ask the Russians. No one in history has ever successfully been able to maintain any longterm victory there. It is to draw them in. Deflect them from America. Keep them occupied elsewhere. Give us/buy time to get various things in place, intel and whatnot...etc.

You can prioritize these objectives as you will.
Removal of Saddam from power. No one seems to admit that removing Saddam was a bad thing. Creating a free democratic open society in Iraq. IF it works there it will do alot more to stabilize the region than any other single action that could be taken. Just as we still have troops in what was former Yugoslavia....We also have troops in Germany and Japan and elsewhere around the world.

This will take time as people have been conditioned under the years of Saddam's reign. Again how long??? No real answer... The terrs don't want to see it happen....The people must learn to not be afraid...

Going after al Qaeda...okies by going into Iraq it drew them there...The Number 2 al Qaeda guy has been there. ObL, is effectively neutralized, for the time being. What was left on where to hit them? Certainly we had bombed and rebombed and bombed some more, every target in Afghanistan....Just like the Russians did.... Ee still have troops there, doing their thing. So we are not ignoring there, as some have suggested, elsewhere.
Thanks to Jimmy Carter asassination is no longer authorized, so how would we go after al Qaeda? Terrs operate under a wierd section of law...meaning that they claim to be one thing and people want them to be treated under the rules of Geneva Conventon and accords. Then again... you have those that believe they should be entitled to civilian law. While cilivilain law enforcement is not "MOSTLY" set up to deal with the terrs...There in lies a grey area.

I know that people don't like the idea of war but sometimes it becomes neccessary and unless someone has a better answer on how and where to fight the terrs.....I don't really see any other viable option..... I am willing to listen to anyone that has any realistic viable options. I have asked numerous people but no one has ever come with any other realistic viable solution.

I hope this helps at least some...

[sonofabeach]

Put yourself in the mentality of anyone stuck in New Orleans for days with no food, medicine or water, 90 degrees, etc, and thugs running around. After days of this I would think you'd be thinking "where in the h#ll is the help at". You could give a rat's a$$ about why it's taking so long, just the fact that it is. Like someone else said, Moore just hates the president so it's hard to take him seriously even when he has valid points. I suppose if the victoms of Katrina said the same thing as Moore they'd get a free pass since they were actually there but I even recall seeing reporters for the supposedly conservative FOX NEWS on the scene asking and even pleading "where is the help"?. Thank God for the media on the scene letting us know what was going on.
I was so proud and even teary eyed watching the guard rolling in last thursday, albeit a few days and unneccessary deaths later. Imagine if they would have been ready from the get go or even if they got there two days later. They saw it coming and predicted the devestation for days. Biblical proportions or not I think everyone dropped the ball..Not a partisan thing at all...From the mayor to the governor to the President who btw is also not happy with the response.
The replacement of FEMA's director is an acknowledgement that someone screwed up in responding.
I'm proud that all of the American people have came together really great on this with all of the relief/giving.

[Crazy Navy Flyer]

Sam, I couldn't agree more with everything you've said. You have a great way of explaining things without stooping to the low level of ranting liberals, thanks for your insight.

[Wino you know]

I thought Michael Moore was dead.
Apparently not. He just smells as if he is.

[Tony5150RN]

Michael Moore is a neurotic, delusional, P.O.S. nuff said!

[CaptainP]

Michael Moore is not about anything except Michael Moore. He's a guy with a platform to spew his own political views.

Whether you agree with those views or not is irrelevant. If he's about "What's Right" and not about Michael Moore, then why do all of his movie posters have a big, ugly image of him on them?

He's an egotist with a soapbox. That's it. He's worthless.