Don't let Nobel winner fix you a cocktail..

Sam · Post by **Sam** » October 4, 2005 1:53 pm

Drinks from this guy anyone??? Talk about a "mickey".....SHEESH!!!!

I am glad they found out the cause though!!! Now people KNOW what causes ulcers and the ulcers can actually be treated in better ways.

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Don't let Nobel winner fix you a cocktail.. Tue Oct 4,10:11 AM ET

CANBERRA (Reuters) - An Australian scientist who jointly won the 2005 Nobel prize for medicine said he became a human guinea pig and drank a cocktail of bacteria to prove his theories that ulcers were not caused by stress.

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Australian professor Barry Marshall and Robin Warren were awarded the 2005 Nobel prize for their 1982 discovery that the Helicobacter pylori bacterium, rather than stress, caused stomach ulcers and inflammation.

Marshall, who spent Tuesday fielding calls of congratulations from around the world, said he became a human laboratory rat to convince skeptics that ulcers and stomach inflammation were caused by bacterium.

"I didn't think about it very much and probably I wouldn't have done it if I had really thought it through," Marshall told reporters in the Western Australian capital of Perth.

The discovery by Marshall, now 54, and Warren, 68, led to the development of an antibiotics and drug treatment for most ulcers, overturning the conventional medical thinking of the time and easing the suffering for millions of people each year.

After drinking the bacteria, Marshall suffered nausea, vomiting and stomach pain, but overcame the condition with treatment similar to the regimen of antibiotics and acid secretion inhibitors now commonly prescribed to sufferers.

He said he had no choice but to give himself the condition to convince medical skeptics that the bacterium was the cause and not the symptom of stomach ulcers, which can pre-dispose people to gastric cancer.

SWALLOW YOUR BACTERIA!

"Somebody had to do it, somebody had to swallow those bacteria and develop the disease," Marshall told the Australian Broadcasting Corp.

"It was the only way you could convince the skeptics.

Warren said the pair were initially reluctant to publish their findings because of the way Marshall had given himself the condition and because their findings were so radical.

"At the time everyone thought we were a bit crazy because the whole thing was so way out in terms of normal medical teaching in those days," Warren told reporters.

"For me, it (the Nobel prize) means that they are putting the official stamp of approval on all the work that I did and all the trouble that I had and all the disbelief."

Australian Prime Minister John Howard congratulated the pair Tuesday, and said their work had bought relief to millions of people around the world.

"The research destroyed a myth, very widely held," Howard told reporters. "The prize is richly deserved."

Marshall and Warren, who were working at the royal Perth hospital at the time of their breakthrough, are the first all-Australian team to win the Nobel prize for medicine.

Warren is now retired, but Marshall continues to study the effects of the bacterium on humans and animals.

"I've got no imagination. I'm still in the Helicobacter business," Marshall said. "But these days we're doing molecular studies, cloning, vaccines and all that kind of stuff.

"You can't study ulcers in Australia any more, because everyone with an ulcer has been cured, as far as I can tell."

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » October 4, 2005 1:58 pm

Weird science, eh?

We test for the H. Pylori bacteria on every one of our patients preoperatively. It's suprising to see how many people actually have it.

Sam · Post by **Sam** » October 4, 2005 4:01 pm

KEWL....I don't know how long they have been testing for that. Perhaps if the tests had been available years ago....things would have turned out different for my Dad and countless others......

Do you know of any thoughts on how people contact/get this particular bacteria? ( besides intentionally drinking it, that is....)

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » October 4, 2005 6:20 pm

Scientists are weird.

Y-NO-9-O · Post by **Y-NO-9-O** » October 4, 2005 9:18 pm

Sam's like a cool wind on a hot Jahfin day. But why does he have to post a link AND the whole article? That is sooo Jah-ara-fin.
Dude, post the link OR the article. You have some good positions, but I stop reading your posts when I see

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in the middle. You don't even think to edit the cut-and-paste. Or when you post a 50 line reply that could have been summed up with "me too".
Dude, you have some cool, authentic, ideas. Be yourself (not Jahfin, and I stood up for him too, occasionally)

Sam · Post by **Sam** » October 4, 2005 9:50 pm

Y-NO-9-O wrote:Sam's like a cool wind on a hot Jahfin day. But why does he have to post a link AND the whole article? That is sooo Jah-ara-fin.
Dude, post the link OR the article. You have some good positions, but I stop reading your posts when I see

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in the middle. You don't even think to edit the cut-and-paste. Or when you post a 50 line reply that could have been summed up with "me too".
Dude, you have some cool, authentic, ideas. Be yourself (not Jahfin, and I stood up for him too, occasionally)

Normally I edit out the "ADVERTISEMENT" and such extraneous BS....My apologies for not doing so today. I was in a rush with some other commitments earlier.....Generally, I post the link and the article because sometimes there are links within the article and sometimes people cannot see the link such as at work or whatever..... so I provide both...it also allows people to see the authentic source if they choose to verify it. Not trying to be Jahfin.... and yes I have defended him at least once when he was getting hammered....but I am NOT him. I assure you!

No matter what, you can't make everyone happy,...no matter what you do... So.....".... if you can please everyone....you got to please yourself.....Went to a Garden Party......."

Y-NO-9-O · Post by **Y-NO-9-O** » October 4, 2005 9:53 pm

Sam wrote:
Y-NO-9-O wrote:Sam's like a cool wind on a hot Jahfin day. But why does he have to post a link AND the whole article? That is sooo Jah-ara-fin.
Dude, post the link OR the article. You have some good positions, but I stop reading your posts when I see

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in the middle. You don't even think to edit the cut-and-paste. Or when you post a 50 line reply that could have been summed up with "me too".
Dude, you have some cool, authentic, ideas. Be yourself (not Jahfin, and I stood up for him too, occasionally)
Normally I edit out the "ADVERTISEMENT" and such extraneous BS....My apologies for not doing so today. I was in a rush with some other commitments earlier.....Generally, I post the link and the article because sometimes there are links within the article and sometimes people cannot see the link such as at work or whatever..... so I provide both...it also allows people to see the authentic source if they choose to verify it. Not trying to be Jahfin.... and yes I have defended him at least once when he was getting hammered....but I am NOT him. I assure you!

No matter what, you can't make everyone happy,...no matter what you do... So.....".... if you can please everyone....you got to please yourself.....Went to a Garden Party......."

Short, concise, to the point. That is it! Plus, the Ricky Nelson reference was over the top. You rock. Now, I think I saw a Jahfin post. Gotta go. Rock on dude (and check your pm).

Sam · Post by **Sam** » October 4, 2005 10:28 pm

Y-NO-9-O wrote:
Short, concise, to the point. That is it! Plus, the Ricky Nelson reference was over the top. You rock. Now, I think I saw a Jahfin post. Gotta go. Rock on dude (and check your pm).

Thxz!

Answered your PM! and a BIG HUGE THANK YOU!!!!
Sam

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » October 6, 2005 2:47 pm

Sam wrote:Do you know of any thoughts on how people contact/get this particular bacteria? ( besides intentionally drinking it, that is....)

Sorry it took me a while to get back to you on this, Sam. I had to consult the expert next door to my office.

He says 'some people just have it'.

Surgeons.

Go figure...

Sam · Post by **Sam** » October 6, 2005 3:20 pm

iuparrothead wrote:
Sam wrote:Do you know of any thoughts on how people contact/get this particular bacteria? ( besides intentionally drinking it, that is....)
Sorry it took me a while to get back to you on this, Sam. I had to consult the expert next door to my office.

He says 'some people just have it'.

Surgeons. Go figure...

I appreciate it.
Is no prob and thxz !

and yes about the surgeons

But it seems sort of stange, ( to me at least ), that a bacteria can just appear in some people....without any ( known ) kind of exposure to anything....
I know our bodies are full of various bacteria....but I guess it is like certain other things doctors/ scientists cannot explain about human physiology...
Thank you again and a cold adult beverage of choice to you.

The Lost Manatee · Post by **The Lost Manatee** » October 6, 2005 4:33 pm

It just goes to show that we still have much to learn about our bodies and the world that we live in.

creeky · Post by **creeky** » October 6, 2005 4:39 pm

The reason that he did that - was that people would not believe for years their theory - so he had to do it to prove it.

People were just dismissing the theory.

I saw them interviewed on the TV (there are two of them) and they seemed quite normal people that were just frustrated and went that "extra mile" to prove their point

(when they told their wives - now that was a different story

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Sam · Post by **Sam** » October 6, 2005 4:52 pm

creeky wrote:The reason that he did that - was that people would not believe for years their theory - so he had to do it to prove it.

People were just dismissing the theory.

I saw them interviewed on the TV (there are two of them) and they seemed quite normal people that were just frustrated and went that "extra mile" to prove their point

(when they told their wives - now that was a different story )

Yep that is what I saw too... I can only imagine what their wives said...
"YOU DRANK WHAT........?????"

I hope thay made a full ( if possible ) recovery!!! It also shows how idiotic the medical people can be..... such as the old idea of leeching ( but leeches are now found to have a medical purpose/ use) or the idea od a dirty and bloody doctor's office was the sign of a good doctor, or the germ theory,....etc,etc,....etc....

Moonie · Post by **Moonie** » October 6, 2005 5:01 pm

yeah...and....maggotts.....Ewwwwww

they have proven to be extremely useful in severe burns and also that bacteria that eats away at your skin at a very rapid rate...

but, still....Ewwwwwwww