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Government Buys Ice for next disaster

Posted: October 11, 2005 10:40 pm
by captainjoe
By Lisa Myers & the NBC Investigative Unit
NBC News
Updated: 8:00 p.m. ET Oct. 11, 2005


Lisa Myers
Senior investigative correspondent



WASHINGTON — When the history of the chaotic Katrina relief effort is written, a chapter will be devoted to ice, and to trucks that toured the country for weeks, many never delivering a single cube to victims. FEMA now says it bought 182 million pounds of ice and that only 40 percent was used. The rest, it says, is being positioned for future storms.

The rocky coast of Portland, Maine, is nowhere near hurricane territory. Yet 163 truckloads of excess ice bought for Katrina victims are now stored there, 1,600 miles from the Gulf Coast. The cost to taxpayers: $153,000.

"FEMA is so disorganized that it's buying ice, trucking it all over the country and placing it as far as possible from the people who could use it," says Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine.

FEMA is now paying to store 65 million pounds of excess ice in a dozen facilities from Maine to Idaho and in hundreds of trucks, motors running round the clock, to keep it cold.

Dan Wessels' ice company has worked for FEMA for years. He says the cost to taxpayers is absurd.

"A $6,000 load of ice is costing between $25-$35,000," he says.

We previously told you about a truck of ice that left Wisconsin on Sept. 6, went to Louisiana, then was rerouted by FEMA to Georgia, South Carolina and Maryland. Well, after that, the truck was sent to Iowa, and the ice put in storage. Then, when Hurricane Rita hit, that ice was packed up again and taken back to Louisiana, then to Texas, where it's been sitting for the past four days.

FEMA argues that storing ice costs less than buying new ice, and enables a faster response to the next disaster.

But Wessels and others argue that when you add in transportation costs, it would be much cheaper to let it melt.

"It's a lot smarter to dump the ice," he says.

One frustrated Arizona driver did exactly that. After driving through 22 states, he finally donated his ice to some very appreciative polar bears and other animals at the Reid Park Zoo in Tucson

Posted: October 12, 2005 4:14 am
by Sam
I refer you to the following earlier thread and post.....you will find more information on the ice situation and some reasons why it cost so much and how it came to be, on the link listed in the post...such as only one company bid on the contract some years ago.....


http://www.buffettnews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41013

Re: Government Buys Ice for next disaster

Posted: October 12, 2005 5:12 am
by Sidew13
captainjoe wrote:By Lisa Myers & the NBC Investigative Unit
NBC News
Updated: 8:00 p.m. ET Oct. 11, 2005
One frustrated Arizona driver did exactly that. After driving through 22 states, he finally donated his ice to some very appreciative polar bears and other animals at the Reid Park Zoo in Tucson
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Government Buys Ice for next disaster

Posted: October 12, 2005 5:53 am
by Sam
Sidew13 wrote:
captainjoe wrote:By Lisa Myers & the NBC Investigative Unit
NBC News
Updated: 8:00 p.m. ET Oct. 11, 2005
One frustrated Arizona driver did exactly that. After driving through 22 states, he finally donated his ice to some very appreciative polar bears and other animals at the Reid Park Zoo in Tucson
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have been to the Reid Park Zoo in Tucson. My first JB concert was in the baseball field there back in the early 80's. I paid $8.00 for the ticket and that included the baseball game.

Posted: October 12, 2005 11:38 am
by ph4ever
I saw a news story on this last night. The company that sold the ice to FEMA actually stated it would be more cost effective for them to let the ice melt than waste all that fuel in the trucks running 24/7.

Posted: October 12, 2005 11:46 am
by ToplessRideFL
I agree the amt of money spent is absurd... but I also understand the logic of having it ready to deploy with in hours.

However.... most recent disaters have been hurricane related... so I wonder why we would do this in October.... when the season is almost over. It cannot take 8-9 months to make more ice.

Posted: October 12, 2005 11:49 am
by mermaidindisguise
they could always dump it in the gulf and cool the water down... :lol:

Posted: October 12, 2005 8:02 pm
by Sam
I don't even want to try to get into logistics of pre positioning or pre planning for such.

There are too many factors to consider. Such as where the hurricane or disaster is going to happen. How bad will it be? How many people will be affected? Where do we place the relief supplies,vehicles, and personnel, so they are not affected by the hurricaine/disaster? We don't want the supplies or vehicles or personnel destroyed. We do not want to intentionaly delay the needed personnel and items needlessly. We do not want to react with too little and not enough. We don't want to arrive and find out there is no way to distribute the needed items and/or get aid and proper personel to the victims.

While it really sucks to get b'crats moving to get things done according to order....meaning their way....and I am not accusing the victims of Katrina or Rita....People that live in hurricane zones KNOW and ARE AWARE to keep a hurricane kit.
I don't need to go into who was allowed to evacuate and what not. I am not laying blame on anyone here. I am saying people are told REPEATEDLY to keep at least 3 days supply of food and water and medications ( IF NOT MORE) on hand before the goverment assistance shows up. Is it anyone else's false if someone does not? Is it the goverments's fault because they tell you to do so and you do not?

As far as the ice, there was only ONE COMPANY that bid on the contract...
was it cheaper to let it melt? perhaps .....but what if it was needed elsewhere? THis was a logistics and b'crat problem that should have been rectified years ago....

That is B'crats at their best.......