Cubs Fans Nightmare

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » October 19, 2005 12:06 pm

dawgfan wrote:
CaptainP wrote:
Finsupinfla wrote:As long as its not the Yankees, I'm happy
The Yankmees will never win again....
There about to sign the best pitching coach in baseball,unfortunately they will be back

Why would Mazzone leave the Braves?

dawgfan · Post by **dawgfan** » October 19, 2005 12:12 pm

CaptainP wrote:
dawgfan wrote:
CaptainP wrote:
Finsupinfla wrote:As long as its not the Yankees, I'm happy
The Yankmees will never win again....
There about to sign the best pitching coach in baseball,unfortunately they will be back
Why would Mazzone leave the Braves?

The New York Yankees are negotiating with Braves pitching coach Leo Mazzone and could be close to getting him to trade in his tomahawk for pinstripes.

Hours after Yankees manager Joe Torre gave Mazzone a ringing endorsement Tuesday, Mazzone's attorney confirmed talks with the Yankees began several days ago and had progressed.

"We have been talking to the Yankees, that's correct," said attorney Jack Reale, who said he's negotiated with the Yankees and also had discussions with the Baltimore Orioles about their interest in Mazzone.

Mazzone, 57, didn't return messages left on his voicemail. He has been with the Braves organization since 1979 and been their major league pitching coach since 1990, coaching six Cy Young Award winners and nine 20-game winners in that span.

"Leo has great affection for the Braves organization and Bobby Cox but has reached a state in his career where, for his benefit and his family's benefit, he has to consider all his options," Reale said. "That's what he's in the process of doing right now. We're proceeding in a formalized manner."

One day after news spread that the Yankees received permission from the Braves to speak to Mazzone, Torre said he had recommended him as his next pitching coach.

"Leo is very good at what he does," Torre told reporters at a news conference Tuesday at Yankee Stadium, his first public comments since the Yankees were eliminated by the Los Angeles Angels in the first round of the playoffs. Torre also announced he will return as manager of the team next year.

"I was managing the Braves when Leo was in the minor league system over there. So he wouldn't be a stranger to me. . . . I'm going to be consulted. I hope that what I have to say goes a long way."

Mazzone's contract expires in mid-November.

"All we're saying right now is 'no comment,' " Braves manager Bobby Cox said from Florida, where he's been in meetings with top Braves officials and scouts to begin planning the construction of next year's team.

"He's been invited back here. There's a verbal agreement."

That agreement, however, between Mazzone and general manager John Schuerholz only addresses what Mazzone would be paid if he's back with the Braves in 2006.

Like other Braves coaches, Mazzone works under one-year contracts. The team won't do multi-year deals with coaches.

The Orioles are interested in Mazzone, a friend of Baltimore manager Sam Perlozzo for many years. But that interest was initially complicated by the condition of highly regarded current Orioles pitching coach Ray Miller, who was still hospitalized after surgery for an aortic aneurysm.

Reale said the Orioles' situation had become clearer by Tuesday, though he declined to elaborate. "We have spoken to Baltimore," he said. "They're definitely in the picture."

Mel Stottlemyre, who quit last week after 10 seasons on the Yankees coaching staff, was the top-paid pitching coach in the majors at more than $400,000 annually — about $200,000 more than Mazzone was paid by the Braves.

Cox and Schuerholz are signed through 2006, and management uncertainty beyond that may have contributed to Mazzone's consideration of other offers.

Torre, who has two years left on his contract, considered stepping down after a season in which his staff came under frequent criticism by management. But after several days of positive meetings with team officials, he decided to stay.

The pitching coach job was discussed in those meetings.

"They asked me about what are my thoughts," Torre said. "I said I had no problem [with Mazzone]. I know him. A good guy. Obviously he's very good at what he does because of his track record in Atlanta."

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » October 19, 2005 12:14 pm

Well, maybe I'm in denial, but I've always believed that Mazzone was the type of person who would remain loyal. He IS the Braves.

dawgfan · Post by **dawgfan** » October 19, 2005 12:19 pm

CaptainP wrote:Well, maybe I'm in denial, but I've always believed that Mazzone was the type of person who would remain loyal. He IS the Braves.

Thats what I thought too,They need to pay him what he wants

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » October 19, 2005 8:54 pm

Cubbie Bear wrote:In the grand scheme of things the Brewers are inconsequential. The Cardinals are just EVIL personified and the White Sux are the White Sux, no good will come of this match-up.

That being said, as a baseball fan I must say, Albert....you da dman

Evil????

Quiet and Shy · Post by **Quiet and Shy** » October 19, 2005 8:58 pm

Sox-Cards means it's time to watch football....

ejr · Post by **ejr** » October 19, 2005 11:54 pm

Quiet and Shy wrote:Sox-Cards means it's time to watch football....

Sox-Houston means it is time to cheer for Houston!

Post by **SMLCHNG** » October 19, 2005 11:58 pm

ejr wrote:
Quiet and Shy wrote:Sox-Cards means it's time to watch football....
Sox-Houston means it is time to cheer for Houston!

E-Yup!

TheSecretsInTheCrust · October 20, 2005 12:05 am

I actually have no feelings either way. But as a baseball fan 1st....its nice to see two teams in the WS that have not played in it in my lifetime.

BadHabitsAcctnt · Post by **BadHabitsAcctnt** » October 20, 2005 12:10 am

Well, all you Cub fans can breath easier now and root for the Astros. Go Sox!

Post by **SMLCHNG** » October 20, 2005 12:11 am

TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:I actually have no feelings either way. But as a baseball fan 1st....its nice to see two teams in the WS that have not played in it in my lifetime.

As I grew up a Cubs fan.. and will always love Santo, Kessinger, Beckert, Banks, Hands, Hundley, Williams, Cardinal, Morales.. Jack Brickhouse.. and a National League fan... I will NOT root for the White Sox.

springparrot · Post by **springparrot** » October 20, 2005 12:13 am

TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:I actually have no feelings either way. But as a baseball fan 1st....its nice to see two teams in the WS that have not played in it in my lifetime.

In your lifetime???
How about NEVER---at least not for the Astros

ejr · Post by **ejr** » October 20, 2005 12:14 am

SMLCHNG wrote:
TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:I actually have no feelings either way. But as a baseball fan 1st....its nice to see two teams in the WS that have not played in it in my lifetime.
As I grew up a Cubs fan.. and will always love Santo, Kessinger, Beckert, Banks, Hands, Hundley, Williams, Cardinal, Morales.. Jack Brickhouse.. and a National League fan... I will NOT root for the White Sox.

You and me both! And I learned baseball, in part, from listening to Jack Brickhouse (always thought of Harry as the Cardinals broadcaster, not the Cubs).

Post by **SMLCHNG** » October 20, 2005 12:21 am

ejr wrote: You and me both! And I learned baseball, in part, from listening to Jack Brickhouse (always thought of Harry as the Cardinals broadcaster, not the Cubs).

Yeppers!! I couldn't agree more. Granted Harry loved the Cubs, but it was all Jack Brickhouse for me.

And Harry was also the voice of the White Sox.. That and Vince Lloyd and Lou Boudreau from WGN radio.. LOVED them.

ejr · Post by **ejr** » October 20, 2005 12:24 am

SMLCHNG wrote:
ejr wrote: You and me both! And I learned baseball, in part, from listening to Jack Brickhouse (always thought of Harry as the Cardinals broadcaster, not the Cubs).
Yeppers!! I couldn't agree more. Granted Harry loved the Cubs, but it was all Jack Brickhouse for me. And Harry was also the voice of the White Sox.. That and Vince Lloyd and Lou Boudreau from WGN radio.. LOVED them.

The WGN crews both on tv and the radio, were the best in the business!

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » October 20, 2005 1:15 pm

CaptainP wrote:
Finsupinfla wrote:As long as its not the Yankees, I'm happy
The YankEEs will never win again....

Yeah they will. In MY lifetime they will. If, for no other reason, than to shut up some of these big-mouths.

Meanwhile-LET'S HEAR IT FOR THE "HOUSTON WHITE SOX."

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » October 20, 2005 1:19 pm

springparrot wrote:
TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:I actually have no feelings either way. But as a baseball fan 1st....its nice to see two teams in the WS that have not played in it in my lifetime.
In your lifetime???
How about NEVER---at least not for the Astros

that pretty much covers my lifetime...

43 year old team, 43 years without an appearance... 42 year old guy.