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The teacher admits her bias but nothing is supposedly wrong with it.
I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something ID WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.
If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

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Students: Teacher Gave Anti-Bush Vocab Quiz
Friday, November 25, 2005

BENNINGTON, Vt. — A high school teacher is facing questions from administrators after giving a vocabulary quiz that included digs at President Bush and the extreme right.

Bret Chenkin, a social studies and English teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, said he gave the quiz to his students several months ago. The quiz asked students to pick the proper words to complete sentences.

One example: "I wish Bush would be (coherent, eschewed) for once during a speech, but there are theories that his everyday diction charms the below-average mind, hence insuring him Republican votes." "Coherent" is the right answer.

Principal Sue Maguire said she hoped to speak to whoever complained about the quiz and any students who might be concerned. She said she also would talk with Chenkin. School Superintendent Wesley Knapp said he was taking the situation seriously.

"It's absolutely unacceptable," Knapp said. "They (teachers) don't have a license to hold forth on a particular standpoint."

Chenkin, 36, a teacher for seven years, said he isn't shy about sharing his liberal views with students as a way of prompting debate, but said the quizzes are being taken out of context.

"The kids know it's hyperbolic, so-to-speak," he said. "They know it's tongue in cheek." But he said he would change his teaching methods if some are concerned.

"I'll put in both sides," he said. "Especially if it's going to cause a lot of grief."

The school is in Bennington, a community of about 16,500 in the southwest corner of the state.

I agree that politics should be kept out of the public schools. Last year in my daughters school district there was a problem with a teacher giving her political/religous views on abortion. She was "preaching" this to second graders. A number of parents on both sides of the fence were a little upset. This was way to much for your average second grader to understand.

Sam wrote:The teacher admits her bias but nothing is supposedly wrong with it.
I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something ID WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.
If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

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Students: Teacher Gave Anti-Bush Vocab Quiz
Friday, November 25, 2005

BENNINGTON, Vt. — A high school teacher is facing questions from administrators after giving a vocabulary quiz that included digs at President Bush and the extreme right.

Bret Chenkin, a social studies and English teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, said he gave the quiz to his students several months ago. The quiz asked students to pick the proper words to complete sentences.

One example: "I wish Bush would be (coherent, eschewed) for once during a speech, but there are theories that his everyday diction charms the below-average mind, hence insuring him Republican votes." "Coherent" is the right answer.

Principal Sue Maguire said she hoped to speak to whoever complained about the quiz and any students who might be concerned. She said she also would talk with Chenkin. School Superintendent Wesley Knapp said he was taking the situation seriously.

"It's absolutely unacceptable," Knapp said. "They (teachers) don't have a license to hold forth on a particular standpoint."

Chenkin, 36, a teacher for seven years, said he isn't shy about sharing his liberal views with students as a way of prompting debate, but said the quizzes are being taken out of context.

"The kids know it's hyperbolic, so-to-speak," he said. "They know it's tongue in cheek." But he said he would change his teaching methods if some are concerned.

"I'll put in both sides," he said. "Especially if it's going to cause a lot of grief."

The school is in Bennington, a community of about 16,500 in the southwest corner of the state.

So what? If it were a group of kids at a Day School from a district with an 80 DPQ being fed the same thing with Clinton being the subject of the questions, and a parent or six complained, you'd be screaming out of the other side of your mouth about infringement of speech.

School is for education. It's for presentation of ideas. This was also an objective test, there is only one right or wrong answer, no room for interpretation. Either you know your vocabulary, or you don't. Case closed.

RinglingRingling wrote:

Sam wrote:The teacher admits her bias but nothing is supposedly wrong with it.
I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something ID WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.
If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

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Students: Teacher Gave Anti-Bush Vocab Quiz
Friday, November 25, 2005

BENNINGTON, Vt. — A high school teacher is facing questions from administrators after giving a vocabulary quiz that included digs at President Bush and the extreme right.

Bret Chenkin, a social studies and English teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, said he gave the quiz to his students several months ago. The quiz asked students to pick the proper words to complete sentences.

One example: "I wish Bush would be (coherent, eschewed) for once during a speech, but there are theories that his everyday diction charms the below-average mind, hence insuring him Republican votes." "Coherent" is the right answer.

Principal Sue Maguire said she hoped to speak to whoever complained about the quiz and any students who might be concerned. She said she also would talk with Chenkin. School Superintendent Wesley Knapp said he was taking the situation seriously.

"It's absolutely unacceptable," Knapp said. "They (teachers) don't have a license to hold forth on a particular standpoint."

Chenkin, 36, a teacher for seven years, said he isn't shy about sharing his liberal views with students as a way of prompting debate, but said the quizzes are being taken out of context.

"The kids know it's hyperbolic, so-to-speak," he said. "They know it's tongue in cheek." But he said he would change his teaching methods if some are concerned.

"I'll put in both sides," he said. "Especially if it's going to cause a lot of grief."

The school is in Bennington, a community of about 16,500 in the southwest corner of the state.

So what? If it were a group of kids at a Day School from a district with an 80 DPQ being fed the same thing with Clinton being the subject of the questions, and a parent or six complained, you'd be screaming out of the other side of your mouth about infringement of speech.

School is for education. It's for presentation of ideas. This was also an objective test, there is only one right or wrong answer, no room for interpretation. Either you know your vocabulary, or you don't. Case closed.

You make a great point!

a1aara wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

Sam wrote:The teacher admits her bias but nothing is supposedly wrong with it.
I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something ID WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.
If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

*************************************************************

Students: Teacher Gave Anti-Bush Vocab Quiz
Friday, November 25, 2005

BENNINGTON, Vt. — A high school teacher is facing questions from administrators after giving a vocabulary quiz that included digs at President Bush and the extreme right.

Bret Chenkin, a social studies and English teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, said he gave the quiz to his students several months ago. The quiz asked students to pick the proper words to complete sentences.

One example: "I wish Bush would be (coherent, eschewed) for once during a speech, but there are theories that his everyday diction charms the below-average mind, hence insuring him Republican votes." "Coherent" is the right answer.

Principal Sue Maguire said she hoped to speak to whoever complained about the quiz and any students who might be concerned. She said she also would talk with Chenkin. School Superintendent Wesley Knapp said he was taking the situation seriously.

"It's absolutely unacceptable," Knapp said. "They (teachers) don't have a license to hold forth on a particular standpoint."

Chenkin, 36, a teacher for seven years, said he isn't shy about sharing his liberal views with students as a way of prompting debate, but said the quizzes are being taken out of context.

"The kids know it's hyperbolic, so-to-speak," he said. "They know it's tongue in cheek." But he said he would change his teaching methods if some are concerned.

"I'll put in both sides," he said. "Especially if it's going to cause a lot of grief."

The school is in Bennington, a community of about 16,500 in the southwest corner of the state.

So what? If it were a group of kids at a Day School from a district with an 80 DPQ being fed the same thing with Clinton being the subject of the questions, and a parent or six complained, you'd be screaming out of the other side of your mouth about infringement of speech.

School is for education. It's for presentation of ideas. This was also an objective test, there is only one right or wrong answer, no room for interpretation. Either you know your vocabulary, or you don't. Case closed.

You make a great point!

as did you. "Preaching" to 2nd graders is not exactly education. This vocab test took place in a High School, where hopefully the kids have had time to learn some critical thinking skills, and are on the road forming opinions of their own.

Grades 1-6, teach the basics and make sure the fundamentals are strong in reading, writing, math, science, and history. Grades 7-12, use the foundation from elementary school to erect the framework that allows the kids to think for themselves.

RinglingRingling wrote:

Sam wrote:The teacher admits her bias but nothing is supposedly wrong with it.
I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something IS WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.
If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

*************************************************************

Students: Teacher Gave Anti-Bush Vocab Quiz
Friday, November 25, 2005

BENNINGTON, Vt. — A high school teacher is facing questions from administrators after giving a vocabulary quiz that included digs at President Bush and the extreme right.

Bret Chenkin, a social studies and English teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, said he gave the quiz to his students several months ago. The quiz asked students to pick the proper words to complete sentences.

One example: "I wish Bush would be (coherent, eschewed) for once during a speech, but there are theories that his everyday diction charms the below-average mind, hence insuring him Republican votes." "Coherent" is the right answer.

Principal Sue Maguire said she hoped to speak to whoever complained about the quiz and any students who might be concerned. She said she also would talk with Chenkin. School Superintendent Wesley Knapp said he was taking the situation seriously.

"It's absolutely unacceptable," Knapp said. "They (teachers) don't have a license to hold forth on a particular standpoint."

Chenkin, 36, a teacher for seven years, said he isn't shy about sharing his liberal views with students as a way of prompting debate, but said the quizzes are being taken out of context.

"The kids know it's hyperbolic, so-to-speak," he said. "They know it's tongue in cheek." But he said he would change his teaching methods if some are concerned.

"I'll put in both sides," he said. "Especially if it's going to cause a lot of grief."

The school is in Bennington, a community of about 16,500 in the southwest corner of the state.

So what? If it were a group of kids at a Day School from a district with an 80 DPQ being fed the same thing with Clinton being the subject of the questions, and a parent or six complained, you'd be screaming out of the other side of your mouth about infringement of speech.

School is for education. It's for presentation of ideas. This was also an objective test, there is only one right or wrong answer, no room for interpretation. Either you know your vocabulary, or you don't. Case closed.

Actually you have no BLEEPING idea of what I would complain about. You are welcome to your feelings though. If you were as smart as you would have us believe youare, you would not have overlooked something I said in the original post and made your idiotic statement. HOWEVER, since you quoted it feel free to go back and read my comment again. Then again I made it nice and bold for you and easy to understand. America is a country for people to have Freedom to believe as they choose and people are Free country for a reason....Your sarcasm may well be, becoming of you and your friends/compadres but I see no humor in it, Besides if you are such a psychic and can tell the future or peoples thoughts...why aren't you doing something positive..like saving Our Troops lives and capturing ObL and the rest of the terrs??? Perhaps you could tell us or at least one person in here the winning numbers to the lottery and be of some actual benefit???

You are free to go "So What?" all you like... I am free to suppose the Nazis, or Stalin, and others, may have done the same thing in their educational system.
You are more than welcome to your RIGHT to supposedly your own ideas and views just as I or anyone else has a Right to such beliefs. Clearly your statement shows, that you seem to think you know best.
I am quite glad that you are not in anyway responsible to our current school system.
If you are any indication of higher learning in our society...no wonder why it has failed and we are having such troubles with the system.....

A liberal school teacher? In Vermont? I'm shocked!

</sarcasm off>

Sam wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

Sam wrote:The teacher admits her bias but nothing is supposedly wrong with it.
I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something IS WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.
If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

*************************************************************

Students: Teacher Gave Anti-Bush Vocab Quiz
Friday, November 25, 2005

BENNINGTON, Vt. — A high school teacher is facing questions from administrators after giving a vocabulary quiz that included digs at President Bush and the extreme right.

Bret Chenkin, a social studies and English teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, said he gave the quiz to his students several months ago. The quiz asked students to pick the proper words to complete sentences.

One example: "I wish Bush would be (coherent, eschewed) for once during a speech, but there are theories that his everyday diction charms the below-average mind, hence insuring him Republican votes." "Coherent" is the right answer.

Principal Sue Maguire said she hoped to speak to whoever complained about the quiz and any students who might be concerned. She said she also would talk with Chenkin. School Superintendent Wesley Knapp said he was taking the situation seriously.

"It's absolutely unacceptable," Knapp said. "They (teachers) don't have a license to hold forth on a particular standpoint."

Chenkin, 36, a teacher for seven years, said he isn't shy about sharing his liberal views with students as a way of prompting debate, but said the quizzes are being taken out of context.

"The kids know it's hyperbolic, so-to-speak," he said. "They know it's tongue in cheek." But he said he would change his teaching methods if some are concerned.

"I'll put in both sides," he said. "Especially if it's going to cause a lot of grief."

The school is in Bennington, a community of about 16,500 in the southwest corner of the state.

So what? If it were a group of kids at a Day School from a district with an 80 DPQ being fed the same thing with Clinton being the subject of the questions, and a parent or six complained, you'd be screaming out of the other side of your mouth about infringement of speech.

School is for education. It's for presentation of ideas. This was also an objective test, there is only one right or wrong answer, no room for interpretation. Either you know your vocabulary, or you don't. Case closed.

Actually you have no BLEEPING idea of what I would complain about. You are welcome to your feelings though. If you were as smart as you would have us believe youare, you would not have overlooked something I said in the original post and made your idiotic statement. HOWEVER, since you quoted it feel free to go back and read my comment again. Then again I made it nice and bold for you and easy to understand. America is a country for people to have Freedom to believe as they choose and people are Free country for a reason....Your sarcasm may well be, becoming of you and your friends/compadres but I see no humor in it, Besides if you are such a psychic and can tell the future or peoples thoughts...why aren't you doing something positive..like saving Our Troops lives and capturing ObL and the rest of the terrs??? Perhaps you could tell us or at least one person in here the winning numbers to the lottery and be of some actual benefit???

You are free to go "So What?" all you like... I am free to suppose the Nazis, or Stalin, and others, may have done the same thing in their educational system.
You are more than welcome to your RIGHT to supposedly your own ideas and views just as I or anyone else has a Right to such beliefs. Clearly your statement shows, that you seem to think you know best.
I am quite glad that you are not in anyway responsible to our current school system.
If you are any indication of higher learning in our society...no wonder why it has failed and we are having such troubles with the system.....

Since you've already started the name-calling, and since past experience shows that discussing anything with you results in wildly-inaccurate premises and accusations on your part, and an unwillingness to see any point other than your own, this one is done.

Stop drinking so much; please look into getting your meds upped and administered via time-release patch or implant so you won't have to worry about forgetting to take them; and have a nice day.

Sam wrote:I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something ID WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.

History books are full of politically slanted information.

Sam wrote:If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

1. Teachers are human and make mistakes

2. Do you know the majority of teachers in the system? I don't believe we've ever met...and I'm guessing you don't know anyone in my school district. I KNOW you said you weren't referring to EVERYONE, but to say the "majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased" is painting with a very broad brush.

Sam wrote:Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

We're always looking for the best and brightest to enter the teaching profession...please join us!! Of course, you'd have to keep all personal opinions and feelings to yourself.

RinglingRingling wrote:

Sam wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

Sam wrote:The teacher admits her bias but nothing is supposedly wrong with it.
I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something IS WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.
If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

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Students: Teacher Gave Anti-Bush Vocab Quiz
Friday, November 25, 2005

BENNINGTON, Vt. — A high school teacher is facing questions from administrators after giving a vocabulary quiz that included digs at President Bush and the extreme right.

Bret Chenkin, a social studies and English teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, said he gave the quiz to his students several months ago. The quiz asked students to pick the proper words to complete sentences.

One example: "I wish Bush would be (coherent, eschewed) for once during a speech, but there are theories that his everyday diction charms the below-average mind, hence insuring him Republican votes." "Coherent" is the right answer.

Principal Sue Maguire said she hoped to speak to whoever complained about the quiz and any students who might be concerned. She said she also would talk with Chenkin. School Superintendent Wesley Knapp said he was taking the situation seriously.

"It's absolutely unacceptable," Knapp said. "They (teachers) don't have a license to hold forth on a particular standpoint."

Chenkin, 36, a teacher for seven years, said he isn't shy about sharing his liberal views with students as a way of prompting debate, but said the quizzes are being taken out of context.

"The kids know it's hyperbolic, so-to-speak," he said. "They know it's tongue in cheek." But he said he would change his teaching methods if some are concerned.

"I'll put in both sides," he said. "Especially if it's going to cause a lot of grief."

The school is in Bennington, a community of about 16,500 in the southwest corner of the state.

So what? If it were a group of kids at a Day School from a district with an 80 DPQ being fed the same thing with Clinton being the subject of the questions, and a parent or six complained, you'd be screaming out of the other side of your mouth about infringement of speech.

School is for education. It's for presentation of ideas. This was also an objective test, there is only one right or wrong answer, no room for interpretation. Either you know your vocabulary, or you don't. Case closed.

Actually you have no BLEEPING idea of what I would complain about. You are welcome to your feelings though. If you were as smart as you would have us believe youare, you would not have overlooked something I said in the original post and made your idiotic statement. HOWEVER, since you quoted it feel free to go back and read my comment again. Then again I made it nice and bold for you and easy to understand. America is a country for people to have Freedom to believe as they choose and people are Free country for a reason....Your sarcasm may well be, becoming of you and your friends/compadres but I see no humor in it, Besides if you are such a psychic and can tell the future or peoples thoughts...why aren't you doing something positive..like saving Our Troops lives and capturing ObL and the rest of the terrs??? Perhaps you could tell us or at least one person in here the winning numbers to the lottery and be of some actual benefit???

You are free to go "So What?" all you like... I am free to suppose the Nazis, or Stalin, and others, may have done the same thing in their educational system.
You are more than welcome to your RIGHT to supposedly your own ideas and views just as I or anyone else has a Right to such beliefs. Clearly your statement shows, that you seem to think you know best.
I am quite glad that you are not in anyway responsible to our current school system.
If you are any indication of higher learning in our society...no wonder why it has failed and we are having such troubles with the system.....

Since you've already started the name-calling, and since past experience shows that discussing anything with you results in wild accusations, and an unwillingness to see any point other than your own, this one is done.

Stop drinking so much; please look into getting your meds upped and administered via time-release patch or implant so you won't have to worry about forgetting to take them; and have a nice day.

What names did I call you??? YOU made the claims about what I would say in the situation you dexscribed. If my calling YOU Psychic on that is name calling...ok. YOU are the one that made the statement. PROVE IT!!!!
If you think you are such a great psychic and can predict future events and events that have not occured I would LOVE to see them!!! Pleasee show everyone just how clairyvoyant you really are! Or continue to show everyone you can only predict events AFTER they have occurred

Would you care to take this to PMs or do you want to prove yourself for what you really are out hear in the open and have to depend on your friends to protect you? Do you want the whole board to suffer and continue to suffer to read through your meager attempts at sarcastic remarks? I am proud of you spelling skills as you should be...at least you can demonstrate, something you might have learned from public education.....though that particular question is quite debateable to many people....

Will you and your accusations ever cease and desist? You have already been banned once.
Your sarcasm is far from humorous and is quite disgusting and worse. Ypu made your claims about wjat I would say or do. Back them up or apologize and STFU!. At least to several people who are NOT your fans/friends/whatever appreciate you or your consant snide comments.

I would love to say this is the last round with you, I don't think you know what that means though. Nor do I beleve you mean what you say.
Your attempted insults about drinking and meds.........well I would consider you to take your meds as prescribed and the prescrition upped or
whatever...you certainly need some sort help and since you are so freely about telling people what they need to do....you should be more concerned about curing yourself first. After all how can you help anyone when you deny the treatment you yourself drastically needs?
I don't play your games nor am I interested in them. When you have gotten the help you need and desire,,,,,,,,,,,,,,perhaps THEN WE and others can have realistic talk and be able to have a reasonable conversation with you.

Meanwhile keep instigating and running away from the senseless BS that you mostly post.

Your choice....you decide on how you want it to end.....You have made the claim twice now and been proven wrong twice (or more) in your comments....... You decide.
My feelings are that, however I will leave that up to trained medical professionals, YOUR BEST bet is to leave me and other people alone, until you become at least accustomed to your your meds, or at least give them a chance to take effect and you lose your current attitude!

You have been told/warned before to back-off, at least once before. You are clearly being told again TO BACK OFF!!! If you cannot understand that simple two word term, Then , I am more than willing to accomadate you in what you seek, and I urge and suggest to you, to either drop this or take it to PMs.

Your choice

a1aara wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

Sam wrote:The teacher admits her bias but nothing is supposedly wrong with it.
I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something ID WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.
If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

*************************************************************

Students: Teacher Gave Anti-Bush Vocab Quiz
Friday, November 25, 2005

BENNINGTON, Vt. — A high school teacher is facing questions from administrators after giving a vocabulary quiz that included digs at President Bush and the extreme right.

Bret Chenkin, a social studies and English teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, said he gave the quiz to his students several months ago. The quiz asked students to pick the proper words to complete sentences.

One example: "I wish Bush would be (coherent, eschewed) for once during a speech, but there are theories that his everyday diction charms the below-average mind, hence insuring him Republican votes." "Coherent" is the right answer.

Principal Sue Maguire said she hoped to speak to whoever complained about the quiz and any students who might be concerned. She said she also would talk with Chenkin. School Superintendent Wesley Knapp said he was taking the situation seriously.

"It's absolutely unacceptable," Knapp said. "They (teachers) don't have a license to hold forth on a particular standpoint."

Chenkin, 36, a teacher for seven years, said he isn't shy about sharing his liberal views with students as a way of prompting debate, but said the quizzes are being taken out of context.

"The kids know it's hyperbolic, so-to-speak," he said. "They know it's tongue in cheek." But he said he would change his teaching methods if some are concerned.

"I'll put in both sides," he said. "Especially if it's going to cause a lot of grief."

The school is in Bennington, a community of about 16,500 in the southwest corner of the state.

So what? If it were a group of kids at a Day School from a district with an 80 DPQ being fed the same thing with Clinton being the subject of the questions, and a parent or six complained, you'd be screaming out of the other side of your mouth about infringement of speech.

School is for education. It's for presentation of ideas. This was also an objective test, there is only one right or wrong answer, no room for interpretation. Either you know your vocabulary, or you don't. Case closed.

You make a great point!

If this is the case then why can't all forms of the theory of how the earth was came to be as well as all animal life. Why can't they teach evolution and creation from a theory stand point?

Big Phan wrote:

Sam wrote:I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something ID WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.

History books are full of politically slanted information.

Sam wrote:If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

1. Teachers are human and make mistakes

2. Do you know the majority of teachers in the system? I don't believe we've ever met...and I'm guessing you don't know anyone in my school district. I KNOW you said you weren't referring to EVERYONE, but to say the "majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased" is painting with a very broad brush.

Sam wrote:Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

We're always looking for the best and brightest to enter the teaching profession...please join us!! Of course, you'd have to keep all personal opinions and feelings to yourself.

I have several friends that are teachers, and I know all teachers are human and capable of making mistakes.

I am NOT in anyway laying blame on all teachers. That would be like saying ALL doctors, policemen, nurses ( pick you profession) are bad. This particular person is an individual case involved that SEEMS TO BE an ongoing consensus with at least SOME, but not all, involved in such an important job.

YES I DO PERSONALLY KNOW SEVERAL people involved with SEVERAL DIFFERENT school systems. That may well not be a majority of EVERY school system. I never said or professed to know every teacher that is out there. I am talking of ONE PARTICULAR MEMBER of the particular school system....

Sam wrote:

Big Phan wrote:

Sam wrote:I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something ID WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.

History books are full of politically slanted information.

Sam wrote:If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

1. Teachers are human and make mistakes

2. Do you know the majority of teachers in the system? I don't believe we've ever met...and I'm guessing you don't know anyone in my school district. I KNOW you said you weren't referring to EVERYONE, but to say the "majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased" is painting with a very broad brush.

Sam wrote:Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

We're always looking for the best and brightest to enter the teaching profession...please join us!! Of course, you'd have to keep all personal opinions and feelings to yourself.

I have several friends that are teachers, and I know all teachers are human and capable of making mistakes.

I am NOT in anyway laying blame on all teachers. That would be like saying ALL doctors, policemen, nurses ( pick you profession) are bad. This particular person is an individual case involved that SEEMS TO BE an ongoing consensus with at least SOME, but not all, involved in such an important job.

YES I DO PERSONALLY KNOW SEVERAL people involved with SEVERAL DIFFERENT school systems. That may well not be a majority of EVERY school system. I never said or professed to know every teacher that is out there. I am talking of ONE PARTICULAR MEMBER of the particular school system....

You're being very ambiguous here Sam. One minute you're sayig they are biased and the next minute you're waving a flag for teachers. You can't be on both sides of the fence on an issue otherwise it gives the appearrance of argument.

Just knowing someone who is a teacher dosn't mean you really know them as a teacher. Unless you have actually witnessed someone in the classroom and their interaction with the students.

I would like to propose another thought. I think the system is working just fine.

The teacher made his views on things very clear in the form of the information he put in his quiz. The students, knowing there could have been many ways to convey the basic context of the class material in this quiz, took the initiative to call him on it.

As a result, the teacher has to answer for it. I feel the students did see it as hyberbolic and tongue-in-cheek and also didn't appreciate it. As a group, some of them took it upon themselves to act on their feelings and tell him he was full of BS.

Maybe, just maybe....there is hope for our public education system after all.



On a side note, my most sincerest thank you to all you teachers. The two most important jobs in the world are mothers and teachers, and a double thanks to those who choose both professions.

ph4ever wrote:

Sam wrote:

Big Phan wrote:

Sam wrote:I don't care who the teacher is, or his or her beliefs, but something ID WRONG with a politically slanted and biased test.

History books are full of politically slanted information.

Sam wrote:If the teacher really was going to to offer both sides WHY didn't he/she offer them?? No bias in the goverment school system???Yeah RIGHT!!!
( I am NOT SAYING {before those of you so ready to accuse me of such. EVERYONE in the system is biased but I will say the majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased,,,,,)

1. Teachers are human and make mistakes

2. Do you know the majority of teachers in the system? I don't believe we've ever met...and I'm guessing you don't know anyone in my school district. I KNOW you said you weren't referring to EVERYONE, but to say the "majority of those in the system DO SEEM to be biased" is painting with a very broad brush.

Sam wrote:Do people really need such type people or trust them to be educating their keets in such manner??

We're always looking for the best and brightest to enter the teaching profession...please join us!! Of course, you'd have to keep all personal opinions and feelings to yourself.

I have several friends that are teachers, and I know all teachers are human and capable of making mistakes.

I am NOT in anyway laying blame on all teachers. That would be like saying ALL doctors, policemen, nurses ( pick you profession) are bad. This particular person is an individual case involved that SEEMS TO BE an ongoing consensus with at least SOME, but not all, involved in such an important job.

YES I DO PERSONALLY KNOW SEVERAL people involved with SEVERAL DIFFERENT school systems. That may well not be a majority of EVERY school system. I never said or professed to know every teacher that is out there. I am talking of ONE PARTICULAR MEMBER of the particular school system....

You're being very ambiguous here Sam. One minute you're sayig they are biased and the next minute you're waving a flag for teachers. You can't be on both sides of the fence on an issue otherwise it gives the appearrance of argument.

Just knowing someone who is a teacher dosn't mean you really know them as a teacher. Unless you have actually witnessed someone in the classroom and their interaction with the students.

I don't follow you. For example, If what you said is true then no Catholic Priests have molested boys or all Catholic Priests molest boys...clearly some priests have, but not EVERY priest has done so.

BTW FYI I have seen a couple of my friends teach and I have seen them interact with various students as well as going sailing and doing other things, and having many long involved conversations. For example, one considers himself liberal, but is not a left wing extremist. He does not push his political views on his students. I have to say the person is very fair minded and does a good/great job at educating kids. Almost all of the teachers admit to having various problems with the system, after all no system is perfect. If you develop a system any fool could use, ...only a fool would use it.

After all, if our public education system was/is so great then explain why the U.S. ranks behind the rest of the modern world in our public school systems and why home schooled keets always excel and exceed against public schooled keets. They are on a far higher reading level for example.

As for social skills, it is a myth that all of the home schooled keets are lacking. We have clearly seen, that not all public schooled keets are all that that great at social skills.

I have met home schooled 8 year olds that could confidently and correctly do celestial navigation and could teach most anyone how to do it. They had been to countries that most children and a lot of adults could not properly pronounce, let alone find on a map.

I am not attacking treachers as a group or a profession. I can question and condemn an individual that happens to be a bad or questionable teacher or someone in any other profession...or are you telling me there is something wrong with doing that?

I think all teachers and schools should interject their political views in the classroom. Its just plain healthy.

Burny Charles wrote:I think the example in the article is more fact than a biased opinion. Sam, do you think the President speaks coherently?

I KNOW the media slams the President and his policies every chance they get.
Do you think Bill Clinton spoke coherently when he said "I DID NOT have sex with THAT Woman!"???
Tell me one President that did not have his share of something...Example Gerald Ford could not deal with/navigate stairs very well.

You sidestepped my question.

But, to answer your question, I think ol' Billy was speaking coherently when he said he didnt have sexual relations with Lewy, he was lying his arse off, but man, the conviction he said that with, sheesh.

Wow this is fun
Anyone what a popsicle?

I was hoping Jodi would show up with popcorn..