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land_shark3 wrote:

weirdo0521 wrote:Look at it this way, many who propose a playoff suggest 8 teams. Auburn finished 9th. They would have been left out of that as well.

Most of the formats I've seen regarding a playoff, take the AP and Coach's Poll and completely disregard the BCS. Auburn would have been 7th and Miami would have gotten the bump.

the "Canes were one loss away from a Very Cold Bowl...


and me calling in sick on the 28th.

land_shark3 wrote:

Sam wrote:Forgot for anyone that wants to see it here is the Final Short form of the 2005 BCS Standings: The long form and other info is also available.
http://www.bcsfootball.org/



Note this is in PDF format if you want to read it.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/2005-short-final.pdf

Here it is if you don't want to download the PDF.
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/polls

Thxz Bro!

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:

land_shark3 wrote:I'm just trying to figure out why they don't have playoffs in college.

they do, div 1-a is the only one that doesn't. and it's very simple bowl money....

the big 4 bowls pay each team 16 mil. the teams then share equally with their conferences. the exception is ND which keeps it's 16 mil all to itself. although next year they have a new contract with BCS where they get 4 mil if they make a bowl and 1 mil if they don't

Think how many weeks it would take to run a college football tournament... at least 3 or 4. With finals, Christmas break and winter sports seasons all factoring in, it's not really feasible to run a football tournament.

iuparrothead wrote:

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:

land_shark3 wrote:I'm just trying to figure out why they don't have playoffs in college.

they do, div 1-a is the only one that doesn't. and it's very simple bowl money....

the big 4 bowls pay each team 16 mil. the teams then share equally with their conferences. the exception is ND which keeps it's 16 mil all to itself. although next year they have a new contract with BCS where they get 4 mil if they make a bowl and 1 mil if they don't

Think how many weeks it would take to run a college football tournament... at least 3 or 4. With finals, Christmas break and winter sports seasons all factoring in, it's not really feasible to run a football tournament.

But they figure out how to do it at all the other Division Levels. D1 Footbal is the only NCAA sport w/o a playoff. They don't seem to care about students during basketball season.

weirdo0521 wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:

land_shark3 wrote:I'm just trying to figure out why they don't have playoffs in college.

they do, div 1-a is the only one that doesn't. and it's very simple bowl money....

the big 4 bowls pay each team 16 mil. the teams then share equally with their conferences. the exception is ND which keeps it's 16 mil all to itself. although next year they have a new contract with BCS where they get 4 mil if they make a bowl and 1 mil if they don't

Think how many weeks it would take to run a college football tournament... at least 3 or 4. With finals, Christmas break and winter sports seasons all factoring in, it's not really feasible to run a football tournament.

But they figure out how to do it at all the other Division Levels. D1 Footbal is the only NCAA sport w/o a playoff. They don't seem to care about students during basketball season.

But with a basketball tourney, they can play more than 1 game per week... not the case with football. And the other division levels aren't playing as many regular season games... I'd love to see the fight over shortening the regular season for Div 1 college football.

what hurts these teams is the strength of schedule.......even if they play in a power conference.......the games they play in the early season to get the easy win can hurt you!!.......also your right its all about the money.

tequilatom wrote:what hurts these teams is the strength of schedule.......even if they play in a power conference.......the games they play in the early season to get the easy win can hurt you!!.......also your right its all about the money.

You mean like The Ducks playing Div I-AA Montana? I guess they could find another team out of the 117 D1 teams to play instead.

weirdo0521 wrote:

tequilatom wrote:what hurts these teams is the strength of schedule.......even if they play in a power conference.......the games they play in the early season to get the easy win can hurt you!!.......also your right its all about the money.

You mean like The Ducks playing Div I-AA Montana? I guess they could find another team out of the 117 D1 teams to play instead.

Did they play them!!

iuparrothead wrote:Think how many weeks it would take to run a college football tournament... at least 3 or 4. With finals, Christmas break and winter sports seasons all factoring in, it's not really feasible to run a football tournament.

Play one or two less non-conference games and cut short the three weeks off between now and the start of bowl games.

Georgia high schools just played their 14th or 15th game this weekend. Most of these college players have been on high school teams that have played similar schedules. I don't think it would be that big of a change for them.

land_shark3 wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:Think how many weeks it would take to run a college football tournament... at least 3 or 4. With finals, Christmas break and winter sports seasons all factoring in, it's not really feasible to run a football tournament.

Play one or two less non-conference games and cut short the three weeks off between now and the start of bowl games.

Georgia high schools just played their 14th or 15th game this weekend. Most of these college players have been on high school teams that have played similar schedules. I don't think it would be that big of a change for them.

what also makes it tough is midterms and most schools will be shutting down for the Holidays.........you cut the season short......a lot of schools would lose a lot of money.......you can only have 16( 4 weeks) schools in it a tournament.

tequilatom wrote:

land_shark3 wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:Think how many weeks it would take to run a college football tournament... at least 3 or 4. With finals, Christmas break and winter sports seasons all factoring in, it's not really feasible to run a football tournament.

Play one or two less non-conference games and cut short the three weeks off between now and the start of bowl games.

Georgia high schools just played their 14th or 15th game this weekend. Most of these college players have been on high school teams that have played similar schedules. I don't think it would be that big of a change for them.

what also makes it tough is midterms and most schools will be shutting down for the Holidays.........you cut the season short......a lot of schools would lose a lot of money.......you can only have 16( 4 weeks) schools in it a tournament.

I have a much simpler way... the top eight teams in Bowl matchups
1 v 8 2 V 7 ETC. then a two week Tourny.


not perfect but in light of what is going on now....

ragtopW wrote:

tequilatom wrote:

land_shark3 wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:Think how many weeks it would take to run a college football tournament... at least 3 or 4. With finals, Christmas break and winter sports seasons all factoring in, it's not really feasible to run a football tournament.

Play one or two less non-conference games and cut short the three weeks off between now and the start of bowl games.

Georgia high schools just played their 14th or 15th game this weekend. Most of these college players have been on high school teams that have played similar schedules. I don't think it would be that big of a change for them.

what also makes it tough is midterms and most schools will be shutting down for the Holidays.........you cut the season short......a lot of schools would lose a lot of money.......you can only have 16( 4 weeks) schools in it a tournament.

I have a much simpler way... the top eight teams in Bowl matchups
1 v 8 2 V 7 ETC. then a two week Tourny.


not perfect but in light of what is going on now....

when would you play it..........and what does it do to the other bowls??

tequilatom wrote:what also makes it tough is midterms and most schools will be shutting down for the Holidays.........you cut the season short......a lot of schools would lose a lot of money.......you can only have 16( 4 weeks) schools in it a tournament.

Midterms & Holidays - basketball goes through Christmas and Spring midterms. And as Ann pointed out, they play more games per week.

Loss of Money - the teams this might affect probably get enough money playing bigger schools that they don't have to worry about it. Like Boise St getting $600k to play UGA. Not to mention, many D1 schools write off their football program as an advertising expense.

16 schools - not sure if you meant only, as in you can't have more or as in 16 would be the only feasible number. You could have as many as you want for lower positions. Just like now, there would be regional coverage and not all games would be televised. Or stagger the games; top games on Saturday, lower games on Friday or Sunday. If you are just going for the top spots, 8 teams (like the current BCS) is only 3 weeks.

land_shark3 wrote:

tequilatom wrote:what also makes it tough is midterms and most schools will be shutting down for the Holidays.........you cut the season short......a lot of schools would lose a lot of money.......you can only have 16( 4 weeks) schools in it a tournament.

Midterms & Holidays - basketball goes through Christmas and Spring midterms. And as Ann pointed out, they play more games per week.

Loss of Money - the teams this might affect probably get enough money playing bigger schools that they don't have to worry about it. Like Boise St getting $600k to play UGA. Not to mention, many D1 schools write off their football program as an advertising expense.

16 schools - not sure if you meant only, as in you can't have more or as in 16 would be the only feasible number. You could have as many as you want for lower positions. Just like now, there would be regional coverage and not all games would be televised. Or stagger the games; top games on Saturday, lower games on Friday or Sunday. If you are just going for the top spots, 8 teams (like the current BCS) is only 3 weeks.

So basically you eliminate the bowl games!!

tequilatom wrote:

ragtopW wrote:

tequilatom wrote:

land_shark3 wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:Think how many weeks it would take to run a college football tournament... at least 3 or 4. With finals, Christmas break and winter sports seasons all factoring in, it's not really feasible to run a football tournament.

Play one or two less non-conference games and cut short the three weeks off between now and the start of bowl games.

Georgia high schools just played their 14th or 15th game this weekend. Most of these college players have been on high school teams that have played similar schedules. I don't think it would be that big of a change for them.

what also makes it tough is midterms and most schools will be shutting down for the Holidays.........you cut the season short......a lot of schools would lose a lot of money.......you can only have 16( 4 weeks) schools in it a tournament.

I have a much simpler way... the top eight teams in Bowl matchups
1 v 8 2 V 7 ETC. then a two week Tourny.


not perfect but in light of what is going on now....

when would you play it..........and what does it do to the other bowls??

Start it the third week in Jan.

and it's like the other bowls are not hosed now????

if you are a bowl and not in the BCS picture now you are eating
in the Kitchen

tequilatom wrote:So basically you eliminate the bowl games!!

Do you really need 28 bowls?

If so, send the lower teams and let them play the same weekend.

land_shark3 wrote:

tequilatom wrote:So basically you eliminate the bowl games!!

Do you really need 28 bowls?

If so, send the lower teams and let them play the same weekend.

The only way the BCS would work is that all schools become independents and play a strong schedule........get out of conference play.Form 2 division of D1 powerhouses and go from there......with a playoff your still going to have the arguement of who is seeded where and who gets in.......same as the basketball tournament...except 64 teams is to many...but you do get upsets......there is no simple solution for football.

I would do an 8 team play-off.

The best teams from the 5 major conferences get automatics. That would be the PAC-10, SEC, Big-12, Big-10, and ACC. The Big East is no longer a football conference. It was created to be a basketball conference. It lost all respectability as a football conference when VA Tech, Miami, and BC left for the ACC. I think this year UCONN had a shot to win the Big East on the last weekend of their season. Even if they had a really good year by their standards, are they, or even Big East champ WV as worthy as a team like Oregon or LSU to be in the BCS?

As for the other three teams, a selection committee, similar to the one that they have for basketball to select the three at-large teams. That way, it prevents a situation like last year when Boise St. beat teams ahead of them in the BCS and didn't get into a BCS game because of Strength of Schedule. If a small school has a good team, they may not have the $$$ to have a strong enough schedule.

The BCS would be used to determine seeds of the 8 schools in the BCS first round, 1v8, 4v5, 3v6, 2v7 on the 3rd Saturday of December Games would be played at the four BCS Bowl game sites.
Semifinals would be the fourth Saturday of December. This would be at 2 other BCS Bowl sites (repeats).
Finals would be at the remaining BCS bowl site for the national championship on the Monday after the 5th/1st Saturday of Dec/Jan.

You could still have non-BCS bowls, this only pertains to the BCS bowls.
Furthermore, I think the idea that they have finals so they shouldn't have a play-off is complete BS. It's all about the $$$. If Penn St. had the opportunity to play an extra 3 games and get the extra dough, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Plus D1 is the only football conference to not have a play-off. If they can do it at D1-A, D2, and D3, they can do it at D1.

Under the play-off system here's how it would theoretically work this year.
At large are just the teams I thought were the 3 best teams not to get an at-large
1. USC (Pac-10)
2. Texas (Big-12)
3. Penn St. (Big-10)
4. Ohio St. (at large)
5. Notre Dame (at large)
6. Georgia (SEC)
7. Auburn (at large)
8. Florida St. (ACC)

December 17th and 18th
USC v. Florida St. -------Fiesta Bowl
Texas v. Auburn ---------Rose Bowl
Penn St. v. Georgia -----Orange Bowl
Ohio St. v. Notre Dame--Sugar Bowl

(for all intensive purposes, I'm going to say the higher seed won)
December 24th
USC v. Ohio St. ---------Fiesta Bowl
Texas v. Penn St. -------Orange Bowl

January 2nd
USC v. Texas ----Rose Bowl

If teams are so concerned about finals, the only days they are away are Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, and maybe Monday if they have the Sunday 1st round game. If they are so concerned, I'm sure they can arrange it to have finals during the week. And to those who say it will be too much, I'm sure that this month that Notre Dame students will be just as overloaded preparing for Ohio St. on January 1st or whatever it is, as they would for December 17th.

Hope that helps clarify the previous post.

I'm happy

For once it actually worked out that the two best teams will play each other for the NC...but the rest of it is pretty screwed and always has been.