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Posted: December 4, 2005 10:34 pm
by sonofabeach
ragtopW wrote:tequilatom wrote:land_shark3 wrote:iuparrothead wrote:Think how many weeks it would take to run a college football tournament... at least 3 or 4. With finals, Christmas break and winter sports seasons all factoring in, it's not really feasible to run a football tournament.
Play one or two less non-conference games and cut short the three weeks off between now and the start of bowl games.
Georgia high schools just played their 14th or 15th game this weekend. Most of these college players have been on high school teams that have played similar schedules. I don't think it would be that big of a change for them.
what also makes it tough is midterms and most schools will be shutting down for the Holidays.........you cut the season short......a lot of schools would lose a lot of money.......you can only have 16( 4 weeks) schools in it a tournament.
I have a much simpler way... the top eight teams in Bowl matchups
1 v 8 2 V 7 ETC. then a two week Tourny.
not perfect but in light of what is going on now....
I'd say conference champs should be in the mix too although I'm not sure how many coneferences there are off hand.
Of course I'm speaking as an FSU fan here
Won the ACC although not in the top 8 or 10 or 20 or......
Posted: December 4, 2005 10:48 pm
by land_shark3
sonofabeach wrote:Won the ACC although not in the top 8 or 10 or 20 or......
That's cause the ACC is a basketball conference.
Posted: December 5, 2005 7:41 am
by tequilatom
jonesbeach10 wrote:I would do an 8 team play-off.
The best teams from the 5 major conferences get automatics. That would be the PAC-10, SEC, Big-12, Big-10, and ACC. The Big East is no longer a football conference. It was created to be a basketball conference. It lost all respectability as a football conference when VA Tech, Miami, and BC left for the ACC. I think this year UCONN had a shot to win the Big East on the last weekend of their season. Even if they had a really good year by their standards, are they, or even Big East champ WV as worthy as a team like Oregon or LSU to be in the BCS?
As for the other three teams, a selection committee, similar to the one that they have for basketball to select the three at-large teams. That way, it prevents a situation like last year when Boise St. beat teams ahead of them in the BCS and didn't get into a BCS game because of Strength of Schedule. If a small school has a good team, they may not have the $$$ to have a strong enough schedule.
The BCS would be used to determine seeds of the 8 schools in the BCS first round, 1v8, 4v5, 3v6, 2v7 on the 3rd Saturday of December Games would be played at the four BCS Bowl game sites.
Semifinals would be the fourth Saturday of December. This would be at 2 other BCS Bowl sites (repeats).
Finals would be at the remaining BCS bowl site for the national championship on the Monday after the 5th/1st Saturday of Dec/Jan.
You could still have non-BCS bowls, this only pertains to the BCS bowls.
Furthermore, I think the idea that they have finals so they shouldn't have a play-off is complete BS. It's all about the $$$. If Penn St. had the opportunity to play an extra 3 games and get the extra dough, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Plus D1 is the only football conference to not have a play-off. If they can do it at D1-A, D2, and D3, they can do it at D1.
I would have to disagree on the big east being a football conference...........until this year you could say the same about the ACC........the big east had 2 top 25 schools this year , and the schools from the ACC that were in the top 25 were from the big east last year.....Pitt , West Virginia, Syracuse, Louisville are or were very good teams at one time....as for UCONN....they are going in the right direction.....and for the record they had no shot at the Conference......They could of been bowl eligible with a win.......also S. Florida is up and coming........So saying the big east isn't deserving now in or in the future is ridiculous......just like the ACC it will take time.
Posted: December 5, 2005 7:43 am
by CaptainP
This year, the BCS is parading their matchup of USC vs. Texas as proof that the BCS works. They'll ignore all other problems, including the fact that it has been 4 years since they got a championship game that people DIDN'T complain about!
Posted: December 5, 2005 9:02 am
by MelliJellyBean
tequilatom wrote:jonesbeach10 wrote:I would do an 8 team play-off.
The best teams from the 5 major conferences get automatics. That would be the PAC-10, SEC, Big-12, Big-10, and ACC. The Big East is no longer a football conference. It was created to be a basketball conference. It lost all respectability as a football conference when VA Tech, Miami, and BC left for the ACC. I think this year UCONN had a shot to win the Big East on the last weekend of their season. Even if they had a really good year by their standards, are they, or even Big East champ WV as worthy as a team like Oregon or LSU to be in the BCS?
As for the other three teams, a selection committee, similar to the one that they have for basketball to select the three at-large teams. That way, it prevents a situation like last year when Boise St. beat teams ahead of them in the BCS and didn't get into a BCS game because of Strength of Schedule. If a small school has a good team, they may not have the $$$ to have a strong enough schedule.
The BCS would be used to determine seeds of the 8 schools in the BCS first round, 1v8, 4v5, 3v6, 2v7 on the 3rd Saturday of December Games would be played at the four BCS Bowl game sites.
Semifinals would be the fourth Saturday of December. This would be at 2 other BCS Bowl sites (repeats).
Finals would be at the remaining BCS bowl site for the national championship on the Monday after the 5th/1st Saturday of Dec/Jan.
You could still have non-BCS bowls, this only pertains to the BCS bowls.
Furthermore, I think the idea that they have finals so they shouldn't have a play-off is complete BS. It's all about the $$$. If Penn St. had the opportunity to play an extra 3 games and get the extra dough, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Plus D1 is the only football conference to not have a play-off. If they can do it at D1-A, D2, and D3, they can do it at D1.
I would have to disagree on the big east being a football conference...........until this year you could say the same about the ACC........the big east had 2 top 25 schools this year , and the schools from the ACC that were in the top 25 were from the big east last year.....Pitt , West Virginia, Syracuse, Louisville are or were very good teams at one time....as for UCONN....they are going in the right direction.....and for the record they had no shot at the Conference......They could of been bowl eligible with a win.......also S. Florida is up and coming........So saying the big east isn't deserving now in or in the future is ridiculous......just like the ACC it will take time.
West Virginia IS worthy of the BSC bowl they are in. Regardless of belong to the Big East, they are one of the best teams in teh country this year... West Virginia has a very strong football program and is getting better every year under Rich Rodriguez - don't count them or the Big East out just yet. Yes, the Big East is not a strong football conference right now - but give it a few years and some heavy recruiting and I believe the new Big East will revive itself!
Posted: December 5, 2005 9:07 am
by land_shark3
Posted: December 5, 2005 9:12 am
by tully mars
weirdo0521 wrote:The BCS is about matching #1 vs #2.... THAT"S IT.. I'm not a big fan but Congress has better things to do... As far as Auburn goes, not only did they not win there conference, they didn't even win their division. What was interesting this year is that there were no at large selections. All selections were automatic.
Amen brotha...
Posted: December 5, 2005 9:13 am
by MelliJellyBean
thanks for the Monday morning insult.
The point is..West Virginia is a good team, whether you like it or not, so stop whining.
Posted: December 5, 2005 9:29 am
by land_shark3
MelliJellyBean wrote:thanks for the Monday morning insult.
The point is..West Virginia is a good team, whether you like it or not, so stop whining.
I went to school up in VA. All I heard about was VT, UVA, and WVU. WVU has a decent program, but when compared to some of the other schools and conferences around the country, they lack a little.
You have to admit that the Big East took a big hit when Miami, VT, and BC all bailed.
Posted: December 5, 2005 9:43 am
by MelliJellyBean
land_shark3 wrote:MelliJellyBean wrote:thanks for the Monday morning insult.
The point is..West Virginia is a good team, whether you like it or not, so stop whining.
I went to school up in VA. All I heard about was VT, UVA, and WVU. WVU has a decent program, but when compared to some of the other schools and conferences around the country, they lack a little.
You have to admit that the Big East took a big hit when Miami, VT, and BC all bailed.
I wouldn't say that WVU lacks when it comes to football. No, they are not quite where they want to be -like the USC's of football, but overall, the program is doing well and is getting better each year - WVU has gone to bowl games 8 of the past 9 years - and Rich Rodriguez is a hell of a good coach. I have faith in my team! Oh, btw, this WVU team is a young team, so look out for them next year too
Posted: December 5, 2005 10:37 am
by diamonddan
With Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech, the ACC is no longer a basketball conference.
Posted: December 5, 2005 10:38 am
by MelliJellyBean
diamonddan wrote:With Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech, the ACC is no longer a basketball conference.
it's still a good basketball conference, but it's definitely not as strong as the Big East.
ACC=football conference
Big East=basketball conference
Posted: December 5, 2005 10:46 am
by land_shark3
Re: Annual BCS !@#$% Session
Posted: December 5, 2005 10:46 am
by Captain Morgan
shoulda played better
:runs like hell:
Re: Annual BCS !@#$% Session
Posted: December 5, 2005 10:49 am
by land_shark3
Captain Morgan wrote:shoulda played better
:runs like hell:
No need to run... I agree with you on that one.
Posted: December 5, 2005 11:04 am
by MelliJellyBean
ya i guess Syracuse, Louisville, UCONN, Villanova, West Virginia, Marquette, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Cincinatti, DePaul, Providence -don't know much about basketball either.
the Big East is CLEARLY the strongest overall basketball conference now.
Posted: December 5, 2005 11:47 am
by land_shark3
MelliJellyBean wrote:ya i guess Syracuse, Louisville, UCONN, Villanova, West Virginia, Marquette, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Cincinatti, DePaul, Providence -don't know much about basketball either.
the Big East is CLEARLY the strongest overall basketball conference now.
3 out of the last 5 champions... ACC
4 out of the last 5 tournaments have had an ACC team in the final game
Top 5 Champions: UCLA, Kentucky, Indiana,
UNC, Duke
Top 5 Final Four Appearances:
UNC, Duke, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas
I don't see many Big East schools on that list. I will concede that the Big East won the two championships that the ACC didn't win. However in the history of March Madness, they just aren't there.
Posted: December 5, 2005 11:49 am
by MelliJellyBean
land_shark3 wrote:MelliJellyBean wrote:ya i guess Syracuse, Louisville, UCONN, Villanova, West Virginia, Marquette, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Cincinatti, DePaul, Providence -don't know much about basketball either.
the Big East is CLEARLY the strongest overall basketball conference now.
3 out of the last 5 champions... ACC
4 out of the last 5 tournaments have had an ACC team in the final game
Top 5 Champions: UCLA, Kentucky, Indiana,
UNC, Duke
Top 5 Final Four Appearances:
UNC, Duke, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas
I don't see many Big East schools on that list. I will concede that the Big East won the two championships that the ACC didn't win. However in the history of March Madness, they just aren't there.
I think we are talking about the NEW Big East Basketball Conference, aren't we?
Posted: December 5, 2005 11:50 am
by weirdo0521
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:I'm happy
For once it actually worked out that the two best teams will play each other for the NC...but the rest of it is pretty screwed and always has been.
I think this is the best they have done so far...What is screwed up about the other games?
Posted: December 5, 2005 11:52 am
by land_shark3
MelliJellyBean wrote:I think we are talking about the NEW Big East Basketball Conference, aren't we?
I covered both for you; last 5 and overall through the history of the tournament.
