Today is the day....

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » January 10, 2006 4:43 pm

Cubbie Bear wrote:2007
Harold Baines, Derek Bell, Dante Bichette, Bobby Bonilla, Jeff Brantley, Jay Buhner, Ken Caminiti, Jose Canseco, Eric Davis, Tony Fernandez, Tony Gwynn, Darryl Hamilton, Pete Harnisch, Charlie Hayes, Glenallen Hill, Ken Hill, Stan Javier, Wally Joyner, Ramon Martinez, Mark McGwire, Paul O'Neill, Gregg Olson, Cal Ripken Jr., Bret Saberhagen, Jeff Shaw, Kevin Tapani, Devon White, Bobby Witt

2008
Shawon Dunston, Travis Fryman, David Justice, Mike Morgan, Tim Raines, Randy Velarde
2009
Mark Grace, Rickey Henderson, Dean Palmer, Dan Plesac, Matt Williams
2010
Andres Galarraga, Edgar Martinez, Robin Ventura

I saw Velarde get an unassisted triple play against the Yankees when he was playing for Oakland. They never said anything about it over the PA system at Yankee Stadium. But he shouldn't even be on the ballot. Neither should a lot of those other guys.

Cubbie Bear · Post by **Cubbie Bear** » January 10, 2006 4:44 pm

Cal and Tony Gwynn could be the only new ones voted in from that entire list

RAGTOP · Post by **RAGTOP** » January 10, 2006 4:45 pm

what exactly is the criteria to get on the ballot? Is is just the 5 year retirement rule or is there other requirements. Clearly most of those players do not belong in the hall of fame so why put them on the ballot?

Cubbie Bear · Post by **Cubbie Bear** » January 10, 2006 4:47 pm

There are several guys up for the Cocaine Hall of Fame from that list

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » January 10, 2006 4:47 pm

Other than having played a minimum of 10 years in the major leagues and being retired 5 years, I don't think there are any requirements.

RAGTOP · Post by **RAGTOP** » January 10, 2006 4:48 pm

Cubbie Bear wrote:Cal and Tony Gwynn could be the only new ones voted in from that entire list

I think your right although Harold Baines may be close.

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » January 10, 2006 4:49 pm

Cubbie Bear wrote:Cal and Tony Gwynn could be the only new ones voted in from that entire list

even tho it would be nice to see Tapani make it.. Tho you might be right. Justice and Bonilla might be voted in, Saberhagen and Henderson have a chance as well.

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » January 10, 2006 4:50 pm

The only way Bobby Bonilla will ever get in the Hall is if he buys a ticket.

Cubbie Bear · Post by **Cubbie Bear** » January 10, 2006 4:52 pm

RAGTOP wrote:
Cubbie Bear wrote:Cal and Tony Gwynn could be the only new ones voted in from that entire list
I think your right although Harold Baines may be close.

I have never heard a single athlete spoken poorer of by writers "off the record" he is hated by them universally. I'll be surprized if he gets the 5% to stay on the ballot. And YES that plays a big part in this thing

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » January 10, 2006 4:53 pm

Rickey Henderson is a lock.

Cubbie Bear · Post by **Cubbie Bear** » January 10, 2006 4:56 pm

LIPH wrote:Rickey Henderson is a lock.

To be snubbed the first time, just because they can. (see Harold Baines)

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » January 10, 2006 4:57 pm

I didn't say first time inductee, just a lock to get in. Most stolen bases, most runs scored, most walks, greatest leadoff hitter of my lifetime, if not all-time.

Cubbie Bear · Post by **Cubbie Bear** » January 10, 2006 5:00 pm

LIPH wrote:I didn't say first time inductee, just a lock to get in. Most stolen bases, most runs scored, most walks, greatest leadoff hitter of my lifetime, if not all-time.

they are not mutually exclusive are they?

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » January 10, 2006 5:02 pm

What, my lifetime and all-time?

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » January 10, 2006 5:02 pm

LIPH wrote:I didn't say first time inductee, just a lock to get in. Most stolen bases, most runs scored, most walks, greatest leadoff hitter of my lifetime, if not all-time.

Given that Abner Doubleday consulted with you on franchising rights for the owners of the original teams...

BadHabitsAcctnt · Post by **BadHabitsAcctnt** » January 10, 2006 6:06 pm

Cubbie Bear wrote:This just in, since no player has ever been better than him, Joe Morgan declares the HOF closed, till further notice.

I was all over that Hal Morris bandwagon

Hal had some good years and has a couple rings as well. He was a pretty good defensive player and hit for average. It would be very cool if he was to get inducted, but I don't think he will. He just did not get the publicity as the other players of his time.

BadHabitsAcctnt · Post by **BadHabitsAcctnt** » January 10, 2006 6:09 pm

Quiet and Shy wrote:Congrats to Bruce Sutter!!!

It'll be interesting to see what happens next year with McGwire.

What team do you think Sutter will decide to go in as?

jonesbeach10 · Post by **jonesbeach10** » January 10, 2006 7:40 pm

Congrats to Sutter.

Sorry to the hopefuls who didn't make it.

Of the upcoming classes mentioned above, I think only Ripken, Gwynn, and Henderson make it 1st ballot. I think the voters pull a "We're not here to talk about the past" and don't vote McGuire in 1st ballot. However, I do believe he will get in at some point.

Wasn't there supposed to be a big influx of Negro League players voted in this year?

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » January 10, 2006 9:15 pm

jonesbeach10 wrote:Wasn't there supposed to be a big influx of Negro League players voted in this year?

I think the Negro League players get voted on by the veterans' committee, not the sportswriters. They vote later in the year.

Quiet and Shy · Post by **Quiet and Shy** » January 10, 2006 10:47 pm

BadHabitsAcctnt wrote:
Quiet and Shy wrote:Congrats to Bruce Sutter!!!

It'll be interesting to see what happens next year with McGwire.
What team do you think Sutter will decide to go in as?

My personal bias...as a Cub. That's where he really made the initial impact and turned the tables with his split-finger fastball. I'm not sure of the save breakdown (Cards vs. Cubs), and I think he was on a WS time with the Cards.......but as a Cub, I hope.

And, I'd still like to see Andre Dawson get in...what an impressive player!!

And, how the heck are there almost 200 eligible next year and only a few each of the following years??? Was there an early retirement package that year or something??