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Jim Rice finally gets inducted to the Hall of Fame... I can feel it!

AS a Die Hard Yankee fan, I'm mreo interested in Goose making it in. Even though I hate the organization, I never personally hated Rice so if he makes it, fine. Good luck!

I saw a report on ESPN last night where they said it's possible nobody will get elected this year, but Bruce Sutter is the most likely to get in. There aren't any first year candidates who are a lock so that might help anyone who was close last year.

LIPH wrote:I saw a report on ESPN last night where they said it's possible nobody will get elected this year, but Bruce Sutter is the most likely to get in. There aren't any first year candidates who are a lock so that might help anyone who was close last year.

Yeah I heard that too. Sutter and Gossage were on 50 % of the ballotts so they need to up it 25 % more...

If Gossage doesn't get in, there's no justice. He got saves when they meant something, not like today when most closers don't come in with men on base and rarely pitch more than one inning.

I agree Larry. His were for the most part real tough saves...

LIPH wrote:If Gossage doesn't get in, there's no justice. He got saves when they meant something, not like today when most closers don't come in with men on base and rarely pitch more than one inning.

I'm not a big fan of letting closers into the hall but if they are going to allow it you have to elect Gossage in.

I have no probelm with Closers in the hall. they're such an important part of baseball over the last 25 years and increasingly more now of course.

I have mentioned this before, but a few years ago, Bill James came up with a HOF Monitor. It judges somebodies accomplishments (including team success and (to a small degree) defense).

I won't go into the scoring, but if you are interested:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/about ... of_monitor

If someone scores over 100, they have a good chance of getting in.
If they score above 130, they SHOULD be a lock.

Eligible hitters who are not yet in, over 130:

Jim Rice 146
Albert Belle 134
Don Mattingly 133
Steve Garvey 130

There are 13 eligible players who are not in, between 100-129 points.


Eligible pitchers who are not yet in, over 130:

Tony Mullane 169
Bobby Matthews 151
Tommy Bond 141
Lee Smith 136
Charlie Buffinton 130

There are 17 pitchers eligible who are not in, but between 100-129 points.

To see the list:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leade ... itor.shtml

For the record, Goose Gossage has 126 points on the James scale.

Lee Smith is the only eligible reliever with more points who is NOT in the HOF.

CaptainP wrote:I have mentioned this before, but a few years ago, Bill James came up with a HOF Monitor. It judges somebodies accomplishments (including team success and (to a small degree) defense).

I won't go into the scoring, but if you are interested:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/about ... of_monitor

If someone scores over 100, they have a good chance of getting in.
If they score above 130, they SHOULD be a lock.

Eligible hitters who are not yet in, over 130:

Jim Rice 146
Albert Belle 134
Don Mattingly 133
Steve Garvey 130

There are 13 eligible players who are not in, between 100-129 points.


Eligible pitchers who are not yet in, over 130:

Tony Mullane 169
Bobby Matthews 151
Tommy Bond 141
Lee Smith 136
Charlie Buffinton 130

There are 17 pitchers eligible who are not in, but between 100-129 points.

To see the list:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leade ... itor.shtml

Now we're talking. Let's get Donnie baseball in.....

CaptainP wrote:I have mentioned this before, but a few years ago, Bill James came up with a HOF Monitor. It judges somebodies accomplishments (including team success and (to a small degree) defense).

I won't go into the scoring, but if you are interested:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/about ... of_monitor

If someone scores over 100, they have a good chance of getting in.
If they score above 130, they SHOULD be a lock.

Eligible hitters who are not yet in, over 130:

Jim Rice 146
Albert Belle 134
Don Mattingly 133
Steve Garvey 130

There are 13 eligible players who are not in, between 100-129 points.


Eligible pitchers who are not yet in, over 130:

Tony Mullane 169
Bobby Matthews 151
Tommy Bond 141
Lee Smith 136
Charlie Buffinton 130

There are 17 pitchers eligible who are not in, but between 100-129 points.

To see the list:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leade ... itor.shtml

That's really cool Captain. Thanks for sharing that....

Mattingly had some real good years, just not enough in my opinion. The Hall of Fame should be for great players, not real good players.

FOr the record, the most points ever on the James scale:
Babe Ruth: 464.5 (422 Hitting, 42.5 pitching)


Most points as a hitter:
Ty Cobb: 451


Most points as a pitcher:
Walter Johnson 365


Most points as a hitter, active:
Barry Bonds 353

Most points as a pitcher, active:
Roger Clemens 326

Most points, active, never accused of steroid use:
Alex Rodriguez 250

Does anyone know what time they'll announce this year's vote?

CaptainP wrote:Most points, active, never accused of steroid use:
Alex Rodriguez 250

How effen' sad is it that this stat needs to be mentioned...?

Agree with Larry that the HOF should be for great players.

I still think that Pete Rose should be in the HOF though

And if you're going to put any first baseman from the last 25-30 years in the Hall, it should be Keith Hernandez. Defense is part of the game and he was the best defensive first baseman I've ever seen. If Bill Mazeroski can get in because he was great at turning the double play, Hernandez should be in there too.

LIPH wrote:And if you're going to put any first baseman from the last 25-30 years in the Hall, it should be Keith Hernandez. Defense is part of the game and he was the best defensive first baseman I've ever seen. If Bill Mazeroski can get in because he was great at turning the double play, Hernandez should be in there too.

Hernandez = 86 points
Mazeroski = 62 points

LIPH wrote:And if you're going to put any first baseman from the last 25-30 years in the Hall, it should be Keith Hernandez. Defense is part of the game and he was the best defensive first baseman I've ever seen. If Bill Mazeroski can get in because he was great at turning the double play, Hernandez should be in there too.

Who does she think I am? I'm Keith Hernandez, I was in game 6