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Sam wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:Wasn't that great...the guy killed people, but hey he wrote kids books so he should live...maybe they could give the book sto the kids opf the people he killed and that would make them feel better...


Not hijacked on purpose...its Sam's fault

Hey it is MY THREAD after all ...

I only used it as an example of why I have no use for them and groups of their support. They want to earn a good reputation then they need to make a serious change and stop putting innocent lives at risk. When the first person dies be it a whaler or a Green Peacer...will it make any difference to the family and loved ones and friends of the deceased?

Gren Peace does what they do not hoping to bring about any real change. they do it for the extremism and activism. If they were committed to bringing or making a serious change then they would find a better way.

*****!

Moonie wrote:atty's..sure..they all have to have them...it's the only way to get it done...legally..


but how dare you even suggest these people in the zodiacs are being...paid...monitarily reminbursed for what they do...

I have no idea if those particular people are being paid...

I dare say anything i like


oh and there are ways to get it one legally...like if the scientists say the area is overfishd, it can be shut down. Threatning to sue the gvmt to get your way is crap...

Boy Sammy..its gonna be rough at your place tonight:)

longlinergirl wrote:

Moonie wrote:atty's..sure..they all have to have them...it's the only way to get it done...legally..


but how dare you even suggest these people in the zodiacs are being...paid...monitarily reminbursed for what they do...

I have no idea if those particular people are being paid...

that does not surprize me in the least...

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:They also do it for money...remember, if people see that fish stocks (or whales too or whatever) are being rebuilt, then these people will have no jobs..not just greenpeace, but any "Save the...." group.

Oh LLG, you have got to be kidding. I'll be sure to pass that along to my friend who works for Save the Children. Let me contact her in Pakistan. Oh wait, she's not there anymore, now she's helping the children who were victims of the tsunami.

I will truly celebrate the day that we no longer have to "save" anything. I imagine that is true for 99% involved in conservation. FWIW, I have NEVER been paid for any of the conservation work I have done, but I have paid my way to be involved in the projects. And no one I have worked with has been getting rich off their projects. In fact they are much like teachers, they pay for a lot of the stuff out of their own pockets. I'm sure there are exceptions, but for most folks this comes from the heart.

Hey Sam, may I please have your buddy Beau's email addy? I would sure like his take on that statement, and perhaps he could let us know how much money he is raking in from his project.

BEG check your PMs!
I can say and do know that some Activists/Extremist are paid. There really are professional activist out there that tracel all over to protest whatever "the cause of the day" may be. I can also tell you not any of the volunteers of TDP make any money.( Including Beau). It is just that. A volunteer org and it is not about activism or extremeism.

Moonie wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:

Moonie wrote:atty's..sure..they all have to have them...it's the only way to get it done...legally..


but how dare you even suggest these people in the zodiacs are being...paid...monitarily reminbursed for what they do...

I have no idea if those particular people are being paid...

that does not surprize me in the least...

Right ...anyway...my point was that these groups need money in order to stay open. And SOME groups...of course not your group, but other groups make a big thing of nothing to stay open. If the swordfish and marlin were sooooo overfished, then why don't the rec guys volunteer to stop catching them as well. Say suspend those tournaments for a while? How come less than a year after they shut down longlining, said groups (IGFA, Billfisf Foundation, etc...) were pushing to raise the catch limit from one fish a day to 3? Man oh man do those fish reproduce...like rabbits. I have no idea about your group because I am not involved in your group. I am speaking from my experiences. In my experiences, I have dealt with the people being paid millions of dollars to do nothing other than harrass the gvmt into ruling for them. If we had the money they have, we could still be fighting this and be fishing. We could have appealed the ruling, but as e are in 100 grand all ready, we said screw it, we;ll just fish somewhere else...

Sam wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:They also do it for money...remember, if people see that fish stocks (or whales too or whatever) are being rebuilt, then these people will have no jobs..not just greenpeace, but any "Save the...." group.

Oh LLG, you have got to be kidding. I'll be sure to pass that along to my friend who works for Save the Children. Let me contact her in Pakistan. Oh wait, she's not there anymore, now she's helping the children who were victims of the tsunami.

I will truly celebrate the day that we no longer have to "save" anything. I imagine that is true for 99% involved in conservation. FWIW, I have NEVER been paid for any of the conservation work I have done, but I have paid my way to be involved in the projects. And no one I have worked with has been getting rich off their projects. In fact they are much like teachers, they pay for a lot of the stuff out of their own pockets. I'm sure there are exceptions, but for most folks this comes from the heart.

Hey Sam, may I please have your buddy Beau's email addy? I would sure like his take on that statement, and perhaps he could let us know how much money he is raking in from his project.

BEG check your PMs!
I can say and do know that some Activists/Extremist are paid. There really are professional activist out there that tracel all over to protest whatever "the cause of the day" may be. I can also tell you not any of the volunteers of TDP make any money.( Including Beau). It is just that. A volunteer org and it is not about activism or extremeism.

On that we will agree, Sam. I do know that there are "professional" activists. I don't include them as conservationists, they have a whole different bandwagon. Most of the folks on the frontlines are just like Beau.

LLG, I have a question. Swordfish take 5-6 years to reach sexual maturity and almost all swordfish that are caught are juveniles. How can they reproduce like rabbits? I know that fishing isn't allowed in their nursery areas, but how would swordfish know to stay there so they wouldn't get caught, so they could live long enough to reproduce?

It's an honest question, I'm not trying to pick on you.

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:

Sam wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:They also do it for money...remember, if people see that fish stocks (or whales too or whatever) are being rebuilt, then these people will have no jobs..not just greenpeace, but any "Save the...." group.

Oh LLG, you have got to be kidding. I'll be sure to pass that along to my friend who works for Save the Children. Let me contact her in Pakistan. Oh wait, she's not there anymore, now she's helping the children who were victims of the tsunami.

I will truly celebrate the day that we no longer have to "save" anything. I imagine that is true for 99% involved in conservation. FWIW, I have NEVER been paid for any of the conservation work I have done, but I have paid my way to be involved in the projects. And no one I have worked with has been getting rich off their projects. In fact they are much like teachers, they pay for a lot of the stuff out of their own pockets. I'm sure there are exceptions, but for most folks this comes from the heart.

Hey Sam, may I please have your buddy Beau's email addy? I would sure like his take on that statement, and perhaps he could let us know how much money he is raking in from his project.

BEG check your PMs!
I can say and do know that some Activists/Extremist are paid. There really are professional activist out there that tracel all over to protest whatever "the cause of the day" may be. I can also tell you not any of the volunteers of TDP make any money.( Including Beau). It is just that. A volunteer org and it is not about activism or extremeism.

On that we will agree, Sam. I do know that there are "professional" activists. I don't include them as conservationists, they have a whole different bandwagon. Most of the folks on the frontlines are just like Beau.

The people in the TDP come from all walks of life and have other jobs all over the country. All are volunteers who really care about what they are doing. None do it for any other simple reason because they care and that they can contribute and actually get involved and help. they don't seek glory,money,or fame...All they get is the personal satisfaction of knowing and sharing the camaraderie with others that care and knowing they are actually making a difference and making more information available to learn more about dolphins.

The professional activists/extremists are not conservationists at all. The cause means nothing to them. Whales to them are nothing but another cause to practice their "expertise" in a "quasi legitimate" manner.
That being said, there are no doubt, that there are some people taken in and used by them that really do believe in "the cause".

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:LLG, I have a question. Swordfish take 5-6 years to reach sexual maturity and almost all swordfish that are caught are juveniles. How can they reproduce like rabbits? I know that fishing isn't allowed in their nursery areas, but how would swordfish know to stay there so they wouldn't get caught, so they could live long enough to reproduce?

It's an honest question, I'm not trying to pick on you.

Where do you get your information that almost all swordfish caught are juviniles...simply untrue...I don't know ages I know weights...we have found eggs in fish in the 40lb range..if I remembercorrectly the smallest we could keep them wasw 33lbs...and I don'tknow, I wasnt the one claiming there weren't any left, cause we were sure catching the hell out of them. It was the enviro groups claiming that, then less than a year lateraccording to them stocks were up again. In all truth...according the the NMFS billfish biomass study(you can look it up online) stocks were at 97% when longlining was shutdown...

Oh...and I don't feel picked on, you have your opinions and I have mine, and if we disagree, we disagree. i don'tmind it getting heated as long as it remains civil and no personal attacks are made...I also understand that things can get misconstrued when you are talking online as its hard to see emotions and reply immedietly...anyway

longlinergirl wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:LLG, I have a question. Swordfish take 5-6 years to reach sexual maturity and almost all swordfish that are caught are juveniles. How can they reproduce like rabbits? I know that fishing isn't allowed in their nursery areas, but how would swordfish know to stay there so they wouldn't get caught, so they could live long enough to reproduce?

It's an honest question, I'm not trying to pick on you.

Where do you get your information that almost all swordfish caught are juviniles...simply untrue...I don't know ages I know weights...we have found eggs in fish in the 40lb range..if I remembercorrectly the smallest we could keep them wasw 33lbs...and I don'tknow, I wasnt the one claiming there weren't any left, cause we were sure catching the hell out of them. It was the enviro groups claiming that, then less than a year lateraccording to them stocks were up again. In all truth...according the the NMFS billfish biomass study(you can look it up online) stocks were at 97% when longlining was shutdown...

Swordfish reach a maximum size of 177 in. (455 cm) total length and a maximum weight of 1,400 lbs. (650 kg), although the individuals commercially taken are usually 47 to 75 in. (120-190 cm) long

Most of the swordfish taken by the U.S. fishing industry are juveniles. Recently, the US government took measures to protect juvenile north Atlantic swordfish stocks by closing swordfish nursery areas to fishing

Those particular stats come from the ed dept at the FL museum of natural history. I also have the same info from biologists in Monterey and other areas.

Moonie wrote:

Sam wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:Wasn't that great...the guy killed people, but hey he wrote kids books so he should live...maybe they could give the book sto the kids opf the people he killed and that would make them feel better...


Not hijacked on purpose...its Sam's fault

Hey it is MY THREAD after all ...

I only used it as an example of why I have no use for them and groups of their support. They want to earn a good reputation then they need to make a serious change and stop putting innocent lives at risk. When the first person dies be it a whaler or a Green Peacer...will it make any difference to the family and loved ones and friends of the deceased?

Gren Peace does what they do not hoping to bring about any real change. they do it for the extremism and activism. If they were committed to bringing or making a serious change then they would find a better way.

*****!

Okies, Is that your opinion? or is that a fact about them?
Prove me wrong, and I will admit I am wrong in that statement.
If Green Peace can afford so much for lawyers then why can't they bring about either legislation to close the loopholes or enforcement of current laws?
What are their ultimate objectives besides endangering the lives of others?
Saving whales? Okies so they can save a whale or two, or maybe a few more, in their Zodiacs or Avons or whatever they are in.

How many whales could they save by spending the money on proper legislation, education, and awareness ( like getting the footage on every news channel around the world) instead of the antics they are pulling and endangering lives?
Somebody pays for those RHIBs/inflatables ( Rigid Hull Inflatable Boat)and motors and fuel. Someone also buys their "mothership{ and pays for all cost involved with it.
Someone pays to feed these people. Etc.
How many people can afford to take the time off to go on an extended voyage of unknown duration like they are doing down there and be properly equipped for the artic waters? Are all of these people independently wealthy? They don't need a real job and have no bills to pay and just take off for months at a time?

This is not a weekend commitment to volunteer for and be back home over the weekend.

There is a lot more to this. No doubt some people may believe it is as simple as you believe, but I await proof of what I said was BS about them being activists and extremists.

Sure there can be people interested in "the cause" and can be true believers but I would think those are really few and far between.

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:LLG, I have a question. Swordfish take 5-6 years to reach sexual maturity and almost all swordfish that are caught are juveniles. How can they reproduce like rabbits? I know that fishing isn't allowed in their nursery areas, but how would swordfish know to stay there so they wouldn't get caught, so they could live long enough to reproduce?

It's an honest question, I'm not trying to pick on you.

Where do you get your information that almost all swordfish caught are juviniles...simply untrue...I don't know ages I know weights...we have found eggs in fish in the 40lb range..if I remembercorrectly the smallest we could keep them wasw 33lbs...and I don'tknow, I wasnt the one claiming there weren't any left, cause we were sure catching the hell out of them. It was the enviro groups claiming that, then less than a year lateraccording to them stocks were up again. In all truth...according the the NMFS billfish biomass study(you can look it up online) stocks were at 97% when longlining was shutdown...

Swordfish reach a maximum size of 177 in. (455 cm) total length and a maximum weight of 1,400 lbs. (650 kg), although the individuals commercially taken are usually 47 to 75 in. (120-190 cm) long

Most of the swordfish taken by the U.S. fishing industry are juveniles. Recently, the US government took measures to protect juvenile north Atlantic swordfish stocks by closing swordfish nursery areas to fishing

Those particular stats come from the ed dept at the FL museum of natural history. I also have the same info from biologists in Monterey and other areas.

The Florida musem of natural history????? Well we have our stats from the people hwo do the stats...I'm going to try to look up your stats though...if you have a link that would be good...also I can't speak for the West Coast as I have never fished there so...

and I missed your stats (somehow) about legnth,....again I have no idea we went by weight..yes they can get over 1000, the biggest on our boat was 500ish, it made the boat list (umm tilt to the side if you aren't familiar with the term)...she was a monster! The biggest I caught was over 300, and 275 dressed (cleaned)...

Guess you need to learn where biologists work, llg, they work all over the place. Doesn't make their stats any less relevant. And like I said, I have the same info from other biologists and folks in the industry as well. Seems to me they would be as impartial (if not more) than those in the fishing industry providing the stats.

wait I wasn't finished....

I didn't say they were irrevelent...I'm just saying I never dealt with them so...anyway, I found what you were talking about. They say juvi, but they don't explain what juvi means...they give the legnth and weight for the max size but as for min size we catch they only say legnth, and as I said, we didn't use legnth. It also says they reach sexual maturity at 5-6 years...but don't say how much they weigh at that point. Damn there was more but I accidently closed it so in another post I guess...

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Guess you need to learn where biologists work, llg, they work all over the place. Doesn't make their stats any less relevant. And like I said, I have the same info from other biologists and folks in the industry as well. Seems to me they would be as impartial (if not more) than those in the fishing industry providing the stats.

Also the fishing industry doe snot provide the stats,,,scientists...biologists I suppose, marine biologists do the stats...the agency is called NMFS, through NOAA...they send observers and we are required to fill out paperwork on all fish caught for every trip...to be compared with the work the fishhouse fills out when you sell it to them.

longlinergirl wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Guess you need to learn where biologists work, llg, they work all over the place. Doesn't make their stats any less relevant. And like I said, I have the same info from other biologists and folks in the industry as well. Seems to me they would be as impartial (if not more) than those in the fishing industry providing the stats.

Also the fishing industry doe snot provide the stats,,,scientists...biologists I suppose, marine biologists do the stats...the agency is called NMFS, through NOAA...they send observers and we are required to fill out paperwork on all fish caught for every trip...to be compared with the work the fishhouse fills out when you sell it to them.

funny, we get stats from them as well.