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RAGTOP wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote: They're among the lowest life forms on the planet, right next to scalpers and those that sell copies of live shows.

lets get a little perspective on this . We live in a world where there are truly horrible people that do horrible things... I wouldn't put ticket brokers or scalpers in that category

Ok, "brokers" and scalpers are one step above male performers in a "dog and pony show" in Tijuana. Fair enough?

well I would have put them a step below the "dog and pony" performers but whatever

well, a step below the "fluffers" in said show?

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote: They're among the lowest life forms on the planet, right next to scalpers and those that sell copies of live shows.

lets get a little perspective on this . We live in a world where there are truly horrible people that do horrible things... I wouldn't put ticket brokers or scalpers in that category

I didn't say mother rapers or father rapers, I said scalpers and the scum that sell bootlegs of shows. That is perspective.

RinglingRingling wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote: They're among the lowest life forms on the planet, right next to scalpers and those that sell copies of live shows.

lets get a little perspective on this . We live in a world where there are truly horrible people that do horrible things... I wouldn't put ticket brokers or scalpers in that category

Ok, "brokers" and scalpers are one step above male performers in a "dog and pony show" in Tijuana. Fair enough?

well I would have put them a step below the "dog and pony" performers but whatever

well, a step below the "fluffers" in said show?

Around these parts "fluffing" is what women do instead of farting. Somehow it sounds a little more polite.

Just wanted to chime in here. I agree that brokers are awful, but I have used them for two shows in Atlanta as a last resort. The only reason being, fans seem to scalp tickets and I usually need a large number of lawn seats 8+. I have also purchased FAKE tickets before at Atlanta. One year, I did all the checks on the ticket and paid $60-$70 and it was fake. Some of my friends purchased xeroxed copy fakes for $20 and got in, that is what I used. I worry more about fake tickets now than anything. I wait until 2 days prior to show date and if I don't have tickets then I use a broker. Prices drop, in 2004 I paid $70 each for lawn and I knew the tickets were real, I needed 8-10 tickets so I did not have to search the parking lot while I was tailgating. I hate using a broker, but I have stood in line, etc. One year I drove to Columbia,SC (2000) to purchase tickets and got 10th row for face value for the Atlanta show. I don't even stand in line anymore, because the goofballs that sell the tickets have no clue and the show is usually sold out by the time the first 1 or 2 customers in line purchase tickets. I have tried online and NEVER gotten buffett tickets, I always get the window of approval for tickets with 2 minutes remaining only to jump through the hoops and lose my tickets--EVERY TIME--so I agree brokers s***, but I will use them as a last resort.

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote: They're among the lowest life forms on the planet, right next to scalpers and those that sell copies of live shows.

lets get a little perspective on this . We live in a world where there are truly horrible people that do horrible things... I wouldn't put ticket brokers or scalpers in that category

I didn't say mother rapers or father rapers, I said scalpers and the scum that sell bootlegs of shows. That is perspective.

I see scalpers/brokers as just another outlet for me to get tickets if I can't get them thru TM. They provide a service that whether you like it or not is taken advantage of by many people with no other options if they want to attend the show. Nobody forces people to use their service. JB shows are extremley popular and he plays venues that seat 10,000 people yet there are 20,000 people that want to attend every concert. Even if there were no brokers/scalpers everybody that wanted to attend the show still wouldn't be guarenteed a ticket and they would have no other options since there would be no secondary market. It's rare that I get shout out by TM but in the few instances that I did, I was more than willing to take advantage of a brokers services if I really wanted to go to the show. Just my opinion

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote: They're among the lowest life forms on the planet, right next to scalpers and those that sell copies of live shows.

lets get a little perspective on this . We live in a world where there are truly horrible people that do horrible things... I wouldn't put ticket brokers or scalpers in that category

I didn't say mother rapers or father rapers, I said scalpers and the scum that sell bootlegs of shows. That is perspective.

I see scalpers/brokers as just another outlet for me to get tickets if I can't get them thru TM. They provide a service that whether you like it or not is taken advantage of by many people with no other options if they want to attend the show. Nobody forces people to use their service. JB shows are extremley popular and he plays venues that seat 10,000 people yet there are 20,000 people that want to attend every concert. Even if there were no brokers/scalpers everybody that wanted to attend the show still wouldn't be guarenteed a ticket and they would have no other options since there would be no secondary market. It's rare that I get shout out by TM but in the few instances that I did, I was more than willing to take advantage of a brokers services if I really wanted to go to the show. Just my opinion

That's fine (well, not really) but I was addressing your previous post where you suggested I put things in perspective. I did and I explained that. If you and others want to support scalpers and ticket broker scum go right ahead but they'll never see one red penny from me. The difficulty in getting tickets for Buffett shows in recent years is another reason why I haven't attended one of his shows since the mid-90s. That's nothing against him but there are other solutions to discourage scalping such as making tix available via pre-sales to fan club members only. Yes, some of those jerks still manage to get their hands on tix but it is at least making an effort to discourage scalping and ticket brokers from charging outrageous amounts of money to folks that are only to willing to help keep their sorry asses in business.

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote: They're among the lowest life forms on the planet, right next to scalpers and those that sell copies of live shows.

lets get a little perspective on this . We live in a world where there are truly horrible people that do horrible things... I wouldn't put ticket brokers or scalpers in that category

I didn't say mother rapers or father rapers, I said scalpers and the scum that sell bootlegs of shows. That is perspective.

I see scalpers/brokers as just another outlet for me to get tickets if I can't get them thru TM. They provide a service that whether you like it or not is taken advantage of by many people with no other options if they want to attend the show. Nobody forces people to use their service. JB shows are extremley popular and he plays venues that seat 10,000 people yet there are 20,000 people that want to attend every concert. Even if there were no brokers/scalpers everybody that wanted to attend the show still wouldn't be guarenteed a ticket and they would have no other options since there would be no secondary market. It's rare that I get shout out by TM but in the few instances that I did, I was more than willing to take advantage of a brokers services if I really wanted to go to the show. Just my opinion

That's fine (well, not really) but I was addressing your previous post where you suggested I put things in perspective. I did and I explained that. If you and others want to support scalpers and ticket broker scum go right ahead but they'll never see one red penny from me. The difficulty in getting tickets for Buffett shows in recent years is another reason why I haven't attended one of his shows since the mid-90s. That's nothing against him but there are other solutions to discourage scalping such as making tix available via pre-sales to fan club members only. Yes, some of those jerks still manage to get their hands on tix but it is at least making an effort to discourage scalping and ticket brokers from charging outrageous amounts of money to folks that are only to willing to help keep their sorry asses in business.

I respect people like you and Larry (LIPH) who take a stand and refuse to by from scalpers and brokers and actaully go through with it. I don't respect so many on this board that b**** and complain about them but yet when they get shout out by TM they run to them for their services. If your going to take a stand then take a stand. If your going to buy from brokers than don't b**** about them. To me life is too short to miss a show I really want to see to prove a point, again that's just me.

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote: They're among the lowest life forms on the planet, right next to scalpers and those that sell copies of live shows.

lets get a little perspective on this . We live in a world where there are truly horrible people that do horrible things... I wouldn't put ticket brokers or scalpers in that category

I didn't say mother rapers or father rapers, I said scalpers and the scum that sell bootlegs of shows. That is perspective.

I see scalpers/brokers as just another outlet for me to get tickets if I can't get them thru TM. They provide a service that whether you like it or not is taken advantage of by many people with no other options if they want to attend the show. Nobody forces people to use their service. JB shows are extremley popular and he plays venues that seat 10,000 people yet there are 20,000 people that want to attend every concert. Even if there were no brokers/scalpers everybody that wanted to attend the show still wouldn't be guarenteed a ticket and they would have no other options since there would be no secondary market. It's rare that I get shout out by TM but in the few instances that I did, I was more than willing to take advantage of a brokers services if I really wanted to go to the show. Just my opinion

That's fine (well, not really) but I was addressing your previous post where you suggested I put things in perspective. I did and I explained that. If you and others want to support scalpers and ticket broker scum go right ahead but they'll never see one red penny from me. The difficulty in getting tickets for Buffett shows in recent years is another reason why I haven't attended one of his shows since the mid-90s. That's nothing against him but there are other solutions to discourage scalping such as making tix available via pre-sales to fan club members only. Yes, some of those jerks still manage to get their hands on tix but it is at least making an effort to discourage scalping and ticket brokers from charging outrageous amounts of money to folks that are only to willing to help keep their sorry asses in business.

I respect people like you and Larry (LIPH) who take a stand and refuse to by from scalpers and brokers and actaully go through with it. I don't respect so many on this board that b**** and complain about them but yet when they get shout out by TM they run to them for their services. If your going to take a stand then take a stand. If your going to buy from brokers than don't b**** about them. To me life is too short to miss a show I really want to see to prove a point, again that's just me.

I rarely even support Ticketmaster as the majority of shows I attend aren't big arena type concerts. With all the extra charges they tack on to ticket sales I see them as just as big of criminals as scalpers and brokers but they somehow manage to get away with it. Sadly, a big part of it is outright complancency on the part of the American ticket buying public.

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote: lets get a little perspective on this . We live in a world where there are truly horrible people that do horrible things... I wouldn't put ticket brokers or scalpers in that category

I didn't say mother rapers or father rapers, I said scalpers and the scum that sell bootlegs of shows. That is perspective.

I see scalpers/brokers as just another outlet for me to get tickets if I can't get them thru TM. They provide a service that whether you like it or not is taken advantage of by many people with no other options if they want to attend the show. Nobody forces people to use their service. JB shows are extremley popular and he plays venues that seat 10,000 people yet there are 20,000 people that want to attend every concert. Even if there were no brokers/scalpers everybody that wanted to attend the show still wouldn't be guarenteed a ticket and they would have no other options since there would be no secondary market. It's rare that I get shout out by TM but in the few instances that I did, I was more than willing to take advantage of a brokers services if I really wanted to go to the show. Just my opinion

That's fine (well, not really) but I was addressing your previous post where you suggested I put things in perspective. I did and I explained that. If you and others want to support scalpers and ticket broker scum go right ahead but they'll never see one red penny from me. The difficulty in getting tickets for Buffett shows in recent years is another reason why I haven't attended one of his shows since the mid-90s. That's nothing against him but there are other solutions to discourage scalping such as making tix available via pre-sales to fan club members only. Yes, some of those jerks still manage to get their hands on tix but it is at least making an effort to discourage scalping and ticket brokers from charging outrageous amounts of money to folks that are only to willing to help keep their sorry asses in business.

I respect people like you and Larry (LIPH) who take a stand and refuse to by from scalpers and brokers and actaully go through with it. I don't respect so many on this board that b**** and complain about them but yet when they get shout out by TM they run to them for their services. If your going to take a stand then take a stand. If your going to buy from brokers than don't b**** about them. To me life is too short to miss a show I really want to see to prove a point, again that's just me.

I rarely even support Ticketmaster as the majority of shows I attend aren't big arena type concerts. With all the extra charges they tack on to ticket sales I see them as just as big of criminals as scalpers and brokers but they somehow manage to get away with it. Sadly, a big part of it is outright complancency on the part of the American ticket buying public.

I'm guessing that American ticket buying public may have bigger issues to deal with than who they will be buying their concert tickets from

Ya know.......Ticketmaster is in the BROKER business too. They hold back (don't release for public on-sales) seats in the first 10 rows or so and then auction them off. I'm going out on a limb here......betting those proceeds don't make it to the artist.

Buffett PHan wrote:Ya know.......Ticketmaster is in the BROKER business too. They hold back (don't release for public on-sales) seats in the first 10 rows or so and then auction them off. I'm going out on a limb here......betting those proceeds don't make it to the artist.

do you have a link that mentions this? This is the first I've heard of this and I would like to read more about it.

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

Jahfin wrote: I didn't say mother rapers or father rapers, I said scalpers and the scum that sell bootlegs of shows. That is perspective.

I see scalpers/brokers as just another outlet for me to get tickets if I can't get them thru TM. They provide a service that whether you like it or not is taken advantage of by many people with no other options if they want to attend the show. Nobody forces people to use their service. JB shows are extremley popular and he plays venues that seat 10,000 people yet there are 20,000 people that want to attend every concert. Even if there were no brokers/scalpers everybody that wanted to attend the show still wouldn't be guarenteed a ticket and they would have no other options since there would be no secondary market. It's rare that I get shout out by TM but in the few instances that I did, I was more than willing to take advantage of a brokers services if I really wanted to go to the show. Just my opinion

That's fine (well, not really) but I was addressing your previous post where you suggested I put things in perspective. I did and I explained that. If you and others want to support scalpers and ticket broker scum go right ahead but they'll never see one red penny from me. The difficulty in getting tickets for Buffett shows in recent years is another reason why I haven't attended one of his shows since the mid-90s. That's nothing against him but there are other solutions to discourage scalping such as making tix available via pre-sales to fan club members only. Yes, some of those jerks still manage to get their hands on tix but it is at least making an effort to discourage scalping and ticket brokers from charging outrageous amounts of money to folks that are only to willing to help keep their sorry asses in business.

I respect people like you and Larry (LIPH) who take a stand and refuse to by from scalpers and brokers and actaully go through with it. I don't respect so many on this board that b**** and complain about them but yet when they get shout out by TM they run to them for their services. If your going to take a stand then take a stand. If your going to buy from brokers than don't b**** about them. To me life is too short to miss a show I really want to see to prove a point, again that's just me.

I rarely even support Ticketmaster as the majority of shows I attend aren't big arena type concerts. With all the extra charges they tack on to ticket sales I see them as just as big of criminals as scalpers and brokers but they somehow manage to get away with it. Sadly, a big part of it is outright complancency on the part of the American ticket buying public.

I'm guessing that American ticket buying public may have bigger issues to deal with than who they will be buying their concert tickets from

I put that into perspective as well. As long as greedy bastards like the Eagles continue to tour long after Hell has frozen over and people are only too willing to fork over their hard earned cash to see those washed up ol' geezers then you won't see ticket prices (or the "convenience" charges) going down anytime soon.

SchoonerWharf wrote:

Ticket brokers and scalpers can only stay in business because there are people who are stupid enough to pay their prices. There's no concert or sporting event that I have to go to. There are a lot I want to go to, but only if I can get tickets through normal channels and at normal prices.

Hmmm I guess you don't quite get it. Ticket brokers stay in business because of us that are SMART enough to avoid the lines, avoid the phones and not "hope" we get tickets. I can sit here and know I can be at any show I want and they provide that service. Most people who rail against them are just jealous that some of us can afford to pay that premium.

I couldn't care less.

I must be really dumb. I've gotten tickets for every show I've ever wanted, and more than once being within spitting distance of Jimmy, by waking up at the crack of 9:30 am on a Saturday, getting my coffee, going to TM online and paying face value.

Blonde Stranger wrote:

SchoonerWharf wrote:

Ticket brokers and scalpers can only stay in business because there are people who are stupid enough to pay their prices. There's no concert or sporting event that I have to go to. There are a lot I want to go to, but only if I can get tickets through normal channels and at normal prices.

Hmmm I guess you don't quite get it. Ticket brokers stay in business because of us that are SMART enough to avoid the lines, avoid the phones and not "hope" we get tickets. I can sit here and know I can be at any show I want and they provide that service. Most people who rail against them are just jealous that some of us can afford to pay that premium.

I couldn't care less.

I must be really dumb. I've gotten tickets for every show I've ever wanted, and more than once being within spitting distance of Jimmy, by waking up at the crack of 9:30 am on a Saturday, getting my coffee, going to TM online and paying face value.

yeah.. there would be that route too.. tho that doesn't let you say, "DUUUDE.. I PAID $800 for something that you bought for $85!!!" and pretend that people are jealous of you.

Buffett PHan wrote:Ya know.......Ticketmaster is in the BROKER business too. They hold back (don't release for public on-sales) seats in the first 10 rows or so and then auction them off. I'm going out on a limb here......betting those proceeds don't make it to the artist.

I have heard rumors of TM auctions, but have yet to see one. However, here in NC, it is illegal, let me repeat, illegal for me to sell a ticket I bought through TM at more than $3 over face value. I had to pay TM about $15 per ticket that does not show on the face value. So I cannot even recoup what I paid TM for it. AND there are ticket brokers who work out of NC selling tickets for NC at a huge markup "for services related to acquiring said tickets". Bulls***!

Buffett PHan wrote:Ya know.......Ticketmaster is in the BROKER business too. They hold back (don't release for public on-sales) seats in the first 10 rows or so and then auction them off. I'm going out on a limb here......betting those proceeds don't make it to the artist.

I've never heard of them auctioning off tickets. If you do have a link to this, I'd definitely like to read it.

They do hold back tickets, usually for the artist or the corporate sponsors, any tickets that don't end up getting used by these folks usually go onsale through Ticketmaster a few days before the event. A lot of times it's a good way to get good seats at face value.

SharkOnLand wrote:

Buffett PHan wrote:Ya know.......Ticketmaster is in the BROKER business too. They hold back (don't release for public on-sales) seats in the first 10 rows or so and then auction them off. I'm going out on a limb here......betting those proceeds don't make it to the artist.

I've never heard of them auctioning off tickets. If you do have a link to this, I'd definitely like to read it.

They do hold back tickets, usually for the artist or the corporate sponsors, any tickets that don't end up getting used by these folks usually go onsale through Ticketmaster a few days before the event. A lot of times it's a good way to get good seats at face value.

Here's an example:
http://www.ticketmaster.ca/promo/23437? ... m_music_f9

and an article:
http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/200 ... 0910rm.htm

Y-NO-9-O wrote:

Buffett PHan wrote:Ya know.......Ticketmaster is in the BROKER business too. They hold back (don't release for public on-sales) seats in the first 10 rows or so and then auction them off. I'm going out on a limb here......betting those proceeds don't make it to the artist.

I have heard rumors of TM auctions, but have yet to see one. However, here in NC, it is illegal, let me repeat, illegal for me to sell a ticket I bought through TM at more than $3 over face value. I had to pay TM about $15 per ticket that does not show on the face value. So I cannot even recoup what I paid TM for it. AND there are ticket brokers who work out of NC selling tickets for NC at a huge markup "for services related to acquiring said tickets". Bulls***!

I know not so long ago that people who purchased advance tickets to the Down From the Mountain show (the tour featuring many of the bands & artists that took part in the O Brother, Where Art Thou? soundtrack) had to pay a fee in order to receive a refund when that concert was cancelled.

Jahfin wrote: O Brother, Where Art Thou? soundtrack)

<insert unsolicited interjection>

that is an awesome soundtrack (and movie).

that's all.

oh yeah. and i fart. i don't fluff.

thank you.

buffettbride wrote: oh yeah. and i fart. i don't fluff.

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