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Tequila Revenge wrote:
TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:Ok time to chime in. I spent the weekend watching 3 truely entertaining games at Petco Park for the WBC semi's and finals. Here is what I learned...
1. You don't need MLB players to compete...only 2 were in the finals (Suzuki of Seattle and Oatsuka of Texas).
2. Cubans have more fun at baseball games than anyone should be allowed. Constant music and dance...cowbells, horns, drums and various musical noise makers. When Cuba came to bat...It got louder.
3. Japanese baseball fans are a slight step above the British in letting loose.
4. Korean fans are very pasionate and knowledgable.
5. Flag waving is fun to watch.

Overall it was one of the best and most enjoyable sports experiences I have attended. It was great to see the bunt utilized like it was intended. It was great to see teams move baserunners along. It was great to see hitters hitting behind the runner. It was great to see fundimentals of the game being practiced and exacuted. It was great to see baseball being played at a high level and doing so for fun. (or in Korea's case, to also be non-draftable...military wise). Maybe the reason only one of those teams loaded with MLB players made it to the semi-finals (And they were the first eliminated) is because they lost track of those fundimentals. Rather than hitting behind a runner, they tried to hit it over the fence. Maybe if they built a "team" with a leadoff hitter, a contact hitter and a few power hitters...some would have advanced. Rather than 9 guys all tring to knock the cover off the ball. So now the USA, Dominican Republic (USA-2), Puerto Rico (USA-3), Canada, Mexico, Panama and the others can look back and either give some lame excuse or....buck up and realize what actually beat them was the game itself.
GREAT POST!! Thank you!! :P
I concur! Great synopsis Crusty!!! :D

BTW... when are you finally coming to Chicago to take me to a Cubs game!? :P
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Tequila Revenge wrote:
TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:Ok time to chime in. I spent the weekend watching 3 truely entertaining games at Petco Park for the WBC semi's and finals. Here is what I learned...
1. You don't need MLB players to compete...only 2 were in the finals (Suzuki of Seattle and Oatsuka of Texas).
2. Cubans have more fun at baseball games than anyone should be allowed. Constant music and dance...cowbells, horns, drums and various musical noise makers. When Cuba came to bat...It got louder.
3. Japanese baseball fans are a slight step above the British in letting loose.
4. Korean fans are very pasionate and knowledgable.
5. Flag waving is fun to watch.

Overall it was one of the best and most enjoyable sports experiences I have attended. It was great to see the bunt utilized like it was intended. It was great to see teams move baserunners along. It was great to see hitters hitting behind the runner. It was great to see fundimentals of the game being practiced and exacuted. It was great to see baseball being played at a high level and doing so for fun. (or in Korea's case, to also be non-draftable...military wise). Maybe the reason only one of those teams loaded with MLB players made it to the semi-finals (And they were the first eliminated) is because they lost track of those fundimentals. Rather than hitting behind a runner, they tried to hit it over the fence. Maybe if they built a "team" with a leadoff hitter, a contact hitter and a few power hitters...some would have advanced. Rather than 9 guys all tring to knock the cover off the ball. So now the USA, Dominican Republic (USA-2), Puerto Rico (USA-3), Canada, Mexico, Panama and the others can look back and either give some lame excuse or....buck up and realize what actually beat them was the game itself.
GREAT POST!! Thank you!! :P


BTW- did the WBC use the DH?
Yes the DH was used. Japan's DH hit 7th Monday night.....then again Frederick Cepeda of Cuba, along with Ichiro, did have a hit in every game of the WBC
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iuparrothead wrote:
Tequila Revenge wrote:
TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:Ok time to chime in. I spent the weekend watching 3 truely entertaining games at Petco Park for the WBC semi's and finals. Here is what I learned...
1. You don't need MLB players to compete...only 2 were in the finals (Suzuki of Seattle and Oatsuka of Texas).
2. Cubans have more fun at baseball games than anyone should be allowed. Constant music and dance...cowbells, horns, drums and various musical noise makers. When Cuba came to bat...It got louder.
3. Japanese baseball fans are a slight step above the British in letting loose.
4. Korean fans are very pasionate and knowledgable.
5. Flag waving is fun to watch.

Overall it was one of the best and most enjoyable sports experiences I have attended. It was great to see the bunt utilized like it was intended. It was great to see teams move baserunners along. It was great to see hitters hitting behind the runner. It was great to see fundimentals of the game being practiced and exacuted. It was great to see baseball being played at a high level and doing so for fun. (or in Korea's case, to also be non-draftable...military wise). Maybe the reason only one of those teams loaded with MLB players made it to the semi-finals (And they were the first eliminated) is because they lost track of those fundimentals. Rather than hitting behind a runner, they tried to hit it over the fence. Maybe if they built a "team" with a leadoff hitter, a contact hitter and a few power hitters...some would have advanced. Rather than 9 guys all tring to knock the cover off the ball. So now the USA, Dominican Republic (USA-2), Puerto Rico (USA-3), Canada, Mexico, Panama and the others can look back and either give some lame excuse or....buck up and realize what actually beat them was the game itself.
GREAT POST!! Thank you!! :P
I concur! Great synopsis Crusty!!! :D

BTW... when are you finally coming to Chicago to take me to a Cubs game!? :P
Some fantasy's just seem at a finger tips reach :wink: :D I would so love to come to Chi-town and see a game ole' Wrigley again. Maybe even one at the World Champs place on the other side of town.
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TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:Some fantasy's just seem at a finger tips reach :wink: :D I would so love to come to Chi-town and see a game ole' Wrigley again. Maybe even one at the World Champs place on the other side of town.
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I'm not always in agreement with Phil here... but I'd be willing to take a chance with Soriano too...

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Talent makes Soriano little risk

Cubs need to expand payroll to snare him from Nationals, writes Phil Rogers

Published March 22, 2006


MESA, Ariz. -- Alfonso Soriano is not a jerk. He is not a malingerer or the second coming of Dennis Rodman. He's just a stubborn kid with some pride who won't be treated like cattle.

He also can hit like crazy and run like he's late for dinner. He would be a dynamic force in a Cubs lineup that is unlikely to get the attention of the St. Louis Cardinals or anyone else.

Let's see, Soriano or Jerry Hairston? Soriano or Todd Walker? Soriano or Neifi Perez?

This one isn't that complicated, fellas.

Soriano has gone to two World Series in seven seasons in the major leagues and never caused problems for managers Joe Torre or Buck Showalter. The only time he ever has balked at a request is when his team wanted him to change positions, and would you want to move when you are an All-Star every year at your position?

Soriano has been one four years in a row.

Jim Hendry ought to find a way to get him to HoHoKam Park by the weekend. The Cubs' general manager was clever enough to orchestrate the four-team deal for Nomar Garciaparra at the deadline in 2004. He should be able to use the Washington Nationals' current discomfort to lower the price for Soriano to reasonable, or at least palatable.

Oh, you can find a dozen reasons to let Nationals GM Jim Bowden stew in the juices of the ludicrous decision he made to trade for Soriano without his agreeing to move to left field. It might be just to punish Bowden and Soriano for their roles in a debacle that is making Soriano look as selfish as it makes Bowden look foolish. But baseball in the era of the $100 million payroll isn't about fairness.

It's about winning. It's about greed. It's about power.

And thus it would be perfectly fitting—and downright exciting, from the point of view of the guys in the $60 bleacher seats—for the Cubs to throw the weight of their ownership and newly expanded ballpark behind obtaining Soriano from the ownerless Nationals, who somehow have remained the responsibility of Major League Baseball (although an ownership deal could be announced by the end of spring training).

The Nationals are desperate to move Soriano. The Cubs should be just as desperate to get him. Second basemen who hit .290 with 40 homers and 100-plus RBIs don't come around too often.

Jeff Kent hit .334 with 33 homers and 125 RBIs in 2000 and was named most valuable player. Soriano is capable of delivering that kind of impact hitting in tandem with Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez and Juan Pierre.

There's a perception Soriano could be a clubhouse problem, but he never was in New York or Texas. If Dusty Baker could keep Kent and Barry Bonds working together in San Francisco, he should be able to handle Soriano and anyone who might be ruffled.

"Sorey's really a good kid, a good person," one of his former coaches said. "He's never a problem. He works hard. This is his free-agent year coming up, and I think he's ready to have a big, big year."

Hendry declined to discuss Soriano before Tuesday's rain-shortened 4-4 tie with Milwaukee, correctly explaining Soriano remains the Nationals' property. While it's clear the Cubs are one of the top targets for Bowden in any trade, it's unclear how aggressive Hendry will be.

Soriano's pattern of committing almost an error a week worries Hendry, who wants to play quality fielders behind Greg Maddux, Glendon Rusch and Jerome Williams. But the thing that scares Hendry the most is trading for another team's $10 million problem.

That's a big salary to add. It would be better to have the Nationals pay as much of it as possible to buy their way out of the dilemma they created when the added Soriano to a team that already had Jose Vidro. But the more the Nationals pay, the better talent they will have to get in return.

Based on the promise of 6-foot-7-inch left-hander Sean Marshall, who threw three scoreless innings against Milwaukee and has 61/3 scoreless innings this spring, the Cubs might be willing to include formerly untouchable lefty Rich Hill and Walker in a package for Soriano. But they should hang on to as much talent as they can and instead increase the payroll.

The Cubs have about $90 million committed to 20 players (not counting reachable incentives), which is more than $10 million less than they paid a year ago, including the hit they took with Sammy Sosa. Club President Andy MacPhail has said all along that revenue from any ballpark improvements would go back into payroll, which makes you wonder what happens to revenue from the attendance increase of almost 150,000 they should get from the bigger bleachers.

Maybe they are planning on a wild spending spree at the trade deadline. But when you open the season with Mark Prior, Kerry Wood and Wade Miller on the disabled list, the focus should be April and May, not August and September.

Besides, when you already have given up three good young pitchers for an outfielder in his walk year (Pierre), when the manager and general manager are in the last years of their contracts and, yes, when you haven't won a World Series since 1908, it's time to put the hammer down.

The Nationals say they will put Soriano on the disqualified list if he doesn't play left field Wednesday. The Cubs ought to offer them a way out before an ugly story gets even uglier.

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CaptainP wrote:Speaking of Soriano....he doesn't want to go to the outfield because he's afraid he'll embarrass himself?

What does he think he's been doing at 2nd base the last 5 years????
What the hell does he think he's been doing at home plate for the last umpteen years? Sometimes it's hard to tell if the guy is playing golf or badmidden.(sp)?

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Soriano will take the field -- left field
Slugger opts to change positions for game against Cards

JUPITER, Fla. -- Alfonso Soriano has decided to play left field in the Nationals' Spring Training game Wednesday against the St. Louis Cardinals, a team spokesman said.

Soriano, who on Monday refused to take the field for a game against the Dodgers at Space Coast Stadium in Viera, Fla., told MLB.com on Tuesday that he would think it over about playing and he would talk it over with his agent and wife. Apparently he had a change of heart after those discussions.

The Nationals have threatened to request that Soriano, a second baseman during his five full Major League seasons, be placed on the disqualified list should he again refuse to take the field for a game.

That would mean that Soriano would not earn his $10 million salary and lose service time. Soriano is scheduled to become a free agent after the 2006 season, but general manager Jim Bowden said Soriano would lose his eligibility to look for employment elsewhere after the season if he lost service time.

Since being acquired in a December trade with Texas, Soriano had repeatedly said he wants to remain a second baseman and not be shifted to the outfield.
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Wow. I never heard of the “disqualified list” before. How the hell did the players union let that happen? Wonder if the NFL will be looking for something like that after the whole TO disaster last season.
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:evil: :evil: :evil: There's an article in today's Newsday that supposedly MLB is trying to become the actual "owners" of MLB Stats and that you would have to pay to use them. It's an outrage and could cause doom to sites that have free Fantasy Baseball games, since they would have to charge to sign-up. :evil: :evil: :evil:

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jonesbeach10 wrote::evil: :evil: :evil: There's an article in today's Newsday that supposedly MLB is trying to become the actual "owners" of MLB Stats and that you would have to pay to use them. It's an outrage and could cause doom to sites that have free Fantasy Baseball games, since they would have to charge to sign-up. :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Injury update

Kerry Wood threw breaking balls Wednesday in a 52-pitch bullpen session. He will have at least one more session before he faces live hitting. "He's a competitor, and if he throws a pitch and a guy hits it hard, he's probably going to throw the next one harder," Rothschild said. "I have to make sure he's ready for that if we're going to do it." Wood probably will start the season in Arizona. … Wade Miller threw 25 pitches off a mound and is 7 to 10 days behind Wood's schedule, meaning they should return within a week or two of each other.
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Cubbie Bear wrote:Injury update

Kerry Wood threw breaking balls Wednesday in a 52-pitch bullpen session. He will have at least one more session before he faces live hitting. "He's a competitor, and if he throws a pitch and a guy hits it hard, he's probably going to throw the next one harder," Rothschild said. "I have to make sure he's ready for that if we're going to do it." Wood probably will start the season in Arizona. … Wade Miller threw 25 pitches off a mound and is 7 to 10 days behind Wood's schedule, meaning they should return within a week or two of each other.
So....60% of the Cubs rotation will start the season on the DL?
Sounds like the work of Dusty Baker to me....
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Cubbie Bear wrote:Injury update

Kerry Wood threw breaking balls Wednesday in a 52-pitch bullpen session. He will have at least one more session before he faces live hitting. "He's a competitor, and if he throws a pitch and a guy hits it hard, he's probably going to throw the next one harder," Rothschild said. "I have to make sure he's ready for that if we're going to do it." Wood probably will start the season in Arizona. … Wade Miller threw 25 pitches off a mound and is 7 to 10 days behind Wood's schedule, meaning they should return within a week or two of each other.
hmmmm... very interesting! I had a feeling that Kerry would recover from the knee surgery fine... considering I had the same surgery a month ago and I'm 100% already... he has a bunch of doctors, trainers and physical therapists around him 24/7 to turn around this injury pretty fast.
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iuparrothead wrote:
Cubbie Bear wrote:Injury update

Kerry Wood threw breaking balls Wednesday in a 52-pitch bullpen session. He will have at least one more session before he faces live hitting. "He's a competitor, and if he throws a pitch and a guy hits it hard, he's probably going to throw the next one harder," Rothschild said. "I have to make sure he's ready for that if we're going to do it." Wood probably will start the season in Arizona. … Wade Miller threw 25 pitches off a mound and is 7 to 10 days behind Wood's schedule, meaning they should return within a week or two of each other.
hmmmm... very interesting! I had a feeling that Kerry would recover from the knee surgery fine... considering I had the same surgery a month ago and I'm 100% already... he has a bunch of doctors, trainers and physical therapists around him 24/7 to turn around this injury pretty fast.
But he also has Dusty Baker. That counteracts the effects of all the trainers.
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TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:
Tequila Revenge wrote:
TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:Ok time to chime in. I spent the weekend watching 3 truely entertaining games at Petco Park for the WBC semi's and finals. Here is what I learned...
1. You don't need MLB players to compete...only 2 were in the finals (Suzuki of Seattle and Oatsuka of Texas).
2. Cubans have more fun at baseball games than anyone should be allowed. Constant music and dance...cowbells, horns, drums and various musical noise makers. When Cuba came to bat...It got louder.
3. Japanese baseball fans are a slight step above the British in letting loose.
4. Korean fans are very pasionate and knowledgable.
5. Flag waving is fun to watch.

Overall it was one of the best and most enjoyable sports experiences I have attended. It was great to see the bunt utilized like it was intended. It was great to see teams move baserunners along. It was great to see hitters hitting behind the runner. It was great to see fundimentals of the game being practiced and exacuted. It was great to see baseball being played at a high level and doing so for fun. (or in Korea's case, to also be non-draftable...military wise). Maybe the reason only one of those teams loaded with MLB players made it to the semi-finals (And they were the first eliminated) is because they lost track of those fundimentals. Rather than hitting behind a runner, they tried to hit it over the fence. Maybe if they built a "team" with a leadoff hitter, a contact hitter and a few power hitters...some would have advanced. Rather than 9 guys all tring to knock the cover off the ball. So now the USA, Dominican Republic (USA-2), Puerto Rico (USA-3), Canada, Mexico, Panama and the others can look back and either give some lame excuse or....buck up and realize what actually beat them was the game itself.
GREAT POST!! Thank you!! :P


BTW- did the WBC use the DH?
Yes the DH was used. Japan's DH hit 7th Monday night.....then again Frederick Cepeda of Cuba, along with Ichiro, did have a hit in every game of the WBC
Great post! Thanks for sharing! :D

Sounds like the MLB is a lot like the NBA...remember how the USA men's team did in the last olympics? They were beat by teams that were much more fundamentally sound. As long as the showmanship is so highly regarding in the US...highlight films, press coverage, etc., I suppose that's what we'll get. :-?
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CaptainP wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:
Cubbie Bear wrote:Injury update

Kerry Wood threw breaking balls Wednesday in a 52-pitch bullpen session. He will have at least one more session before he faces live hitting. "He's a competitor, and if he throws a pitch and a guy hits it hard, he's probably going to throw the next one harder," Rothschild said. "I have to make sure he's ready for that if we're going to do it." Wood probably will start the season in Arizona. … Wade Miller threw 25 pitches off a mound and is 7 to 10 days behind Wood's schedule, meaning they should return within a week or two of each other.
hmmmm... very interesting! I had a feeling that Kerry would recover from the knee surgery fine... considering I had the same surgery a month ago and I'm 100% already... he has a bunch of doctors, trainers and physical therapists around him 24/7 to turn around this injury pretty fast.
But he also has Dusty Baker. That counteracts the effects of all the trainers.
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CaptainP wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:
Cubbie Bear wrote:Injury update

Kerry Wood threw breaking balls Wednesday in a 52-pitch bullpen session. He will have at least one more session before he faces live hitting. "He's a competitor, and if he throws a pitch and a guy hits it hard, he's probably going to throw the next one harder," Rothschild said. "I have to make sure he's ready for that if we're going to do it." Wood probably will start the season in Arizona. … Wade Miller threw 25 pitches off a mound and is 7 to 10 days behind Wood's schedule, meaning they should return within a week or two of each other.
hmmmm... very interesting! I had a feeling that Kerry would recover from the knee surgery fine... considering I had the same surgery a month ago and I'm 100% already... he has a bunch of doctors, trainers and physical therapists around him 24/7 to turn around this injury pretty fast.
But he also has Dusty Baker. That counteracts the effects of all the trainers.
Sounds like you need some of Dusty's old magic pills from BALCO Labs. Are you SURE Roger Craig isn't around somewhere?
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TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:
Tequila Revenge wrote:
TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:Ok time to chime in. I spent the weekend watching 3 truely entertaining games at Petco Park for the WBC semi's and finals. Here is what I learned...
1. You don't need MLB players to compete...only 2 were in the finals (Suzuki of Seattle and Oatsuka of Texas).
2. Cubans have more fun at baseball games than anyone should be allowed. Constant music and dance...cowbells, horns, drums and various musical noise makers. When Cuba came to bat...It got louder.
3. Japanese baseball fans are a slight step above the British in letting loose.
4. Korean fans are very pasionate and knowledgable.
5. Flag waving is fun to watch.

Overall it was one of the best and most enjoyable sports experiences I have attended. It was great to see the bunt utilized like it was intended. It was great to see teams move baserunners along. It was great to see hitters hitting behind the runner. It was great to see fundimentals of the game being practiced and exacuted. It was great to see baseball being played at a high level and doing so for fun. (or in Korea's case, to also be non-draftable...military wise). Maybe the reason only one of those teams loaded with MLB players made it to the semi-finals (And they were the first eliminated) is because they lost track of those fundimentals. Rather than hitting behind a runner, they tried to hit it over the fence. Maybe if they built a "team" with a leadoff hitter, a contact hitter and a few power hitters...some would have advanced. Rather than 9 guys all tring to knock the cover off the ball. So now the USA, Dominican Republic (USA-2), Puerto Rico (USA-3), Canada, Mexico, Panama and the others can look back and either give some lame excuse or....buck up and realize what actually beat them was the game itself.
GREAT POST!! Thank you!! :P


BTW- did the WBC use the DH?
Yes the DH was used. Japan's DH hit 7th Monday night.....then again Frederick Cepeda of Cuba, along with Ichiro, did have a hit in every game of the WBC
Not a fan of the DH. Would have been nice if they played real baseball during the tournament. Bring back wool unforms and double headers!!
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Tequila Revenge wrote:Not a fan of the DH. Would have been nice if they played real baseball during the tournament. Bring back wool unforms and double headers!!
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