2006 Baseball Thread!

TheSecretsInTheCrust · Post by **TheSecretsInTheCrust** » March 31, 2006 3:37 pm

Quiet and Shy wrote:So, what are the thoughts around this new steroid investigation committee that Selig's established? Will they have any teeth? Will they be able to do something about Bonds before he's allowed to pass Babe Ruth?

This is all WAY too late. This should have been done in the early 90's. But...Home runs were making money for owners (ticket sales, advertising), players (saleries, endorsements), agents (see players) and media (sales in air time, sales of papers, higher ratings) equally. This only became an "issue" when the money was not being made equally. The players/agents increased their take much faster than the rest.

Quiet and Shy · Post by **Quiet and Shy** » March 31, 2006 3:46 pm

Capt.Flock wrote:The Reds are still tied for First Place in the regular season standings

I just wanted to be able say that while I can

And tied with the Cubs, no less!

jonesbeach10 · Post by **jonesbeach10** » March 31, 2006 6:55 pm

First, the Onion article...they forgot to mention how Steinbrenner switched his scapegoat to A-Rod once October rolled around each year.

About the steroid investigation, I don't know what the investigation will prove. These guys were technically doing nothing wrong per MLB rules at the time, so you can't punish them for doing something that was ok at the time. As much as I want to see Bonds go down, I doubt much will happen other than maybe some reputations tarnished, and in the case of Bonds, there's not much left to tarnish. And don't forget, owners and Selig looked the other while the bulk of this was happening.

Also, according to the Oakland Tribune's Glenn Reeves, San Francisco Giants SS Omar Vizquel disagrees with the focus on past behavior in Major League Baseball's investigation of steroid use and says OF Barry Bonds has been a target. "I don't know if players knew what was in the law," Vizquel said. "I knew cocaine was against the law. I didn't know what kind of steroids were against the law. Who knows what Hank Aaron was taking," said Vizquel, who said he wasn't accusing Aaron of anything. "Players will always find a way to get strength from something. We don't know if balls were juiced or bats were corked. There's so much in baseball we don't know about." I don't necessarily agree with that but for those who read ESPN the Magazine and are familiar with their "0:01" feature, a while back that they had a list of the top 10 home run hitters of all time. Each hitter had a different * next to their name for a different reason. The memory's hazy on what they were other than steroids and I wish I still had that. I'm sure I agree with it, but I'm just throwing that out there.

Tequila Revenge · Post by **Tequila Revenge** » March 31, 2006 7:23 pm

Don't expect anything of substance from the investigation. Remember, Baseball is now a business. No business is going to hurt the assests that bring in mondo dollarlujiah's!! Won't EVER happen. I swear in the next 5 years the average MLB uniform will look like he races for NASCAR with all the logos on thier jersey. Hell, almost every home run has a sponcer now, right?

Maybe it's just a California thing.

TheSecretsInTheCrust · Post by **TheSecretsInTheCrust** » March 31, 2006 9:58 pm

Tequila Revenge wrote:Don't expect anything of substance from the investigation. Remember, Baseball is now a business. No business is going to hurt the assests that bring in mondo dollarlujiah's!! Won't EVER happen. I swear in the next 5 years the average MLB uniform will look like he races for NASCAR with all the logos on thier jersey. Hell, almost every home run has a sponcer now, right? Maybe it's just a California thing.

So does BALCO sponsor all of Bonds HR's

Hoosier PH · Post by **Hoosier PH** » April 1, 2006 10:34 am

Very funny Palmeiro Steroids Skit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmDKsAuH ... h=steroids

Hoosier PH · Post by **Hoosier PH** » April 1, 2006 10:38 am

Anyone heading to their teams opener? I'll be at great American Ballpark Monday to see the Reds vs. Cubs.

Tequila Revenge · Post by **Tequila Revenge** » April 1, 2006 11:22 am

TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:
Tequila Revenge wrote:Don't expect anything of substance from the investigation. Remember, Baseball is now a business. No business is going to hurt the assests that bring in mondo dollarlujiah's!! Won't EVER happen. I swear in the next 5 years the average MLB uniform will look like he races for NASCAR with all the logos on thier jersey. Hell, almost every home run has a sponcer now, right? Maybe it's just a California thing.
So does BALCO sponsor all of Bonds HR's

They should.

Everytime the Giants change pitchers, it IS sponcered by Jiffy Lube, for a quick change, visit Jiffy Lube.

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » April 1, 2006 11:52 am

Hoosier PH wrote:Anyone heading to their teams opener? I'll be at great American Ballpark Monday to see the Reds vs. Cubs.

I'll be at the new Busch Stadium opener on April 10!

Hoosier PH · Post by **Hoosier PH** » April 1, 2006 12:26 pm

Ilph wrote:
Hoosier PH wrote:Anyone heading to their teams opener? I'll be at great American Ballpark Monday to see the Reds vs. Cubs.
I'll be at the new Busch Stadium opener on April 10!

Saw the pictures of the new stadium, looks nice. Hoping to take a roadtrip this summer to check it out.

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » April 1, 2006 1:17 pm

1 DAY UNTIL OPENING DAY!!!

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » April 1, 2006 1:18 pm

LIPH wrote:George Mitchell is in his 70's. Does he have any teeth left?

That young whippersnapper....

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » April 1, 2006 1:21 pm

CaptainP wrote:1 DAY UNTIL OPENING DAY!!!

Time for the American Pastime to start!

Quiet and Shy · Post by **Quiet and Shy** » April 1, 2006 1:33 pm

jonesbeach10 wrote:First, the Onion article...they forgot to mention how Steinbrenner switched his scapegoat to A-Rod once October rolled around each year.

About the steroid investigation, I don't know what the investigation will prove. These guys were technically doing nothing wrong per MLB rules at the time, so you can't punish them for doing something that was ok at the time. As much as I want to see Bonds go down, I doubt much will happen other than maybe some reputations tarnished, and in the case of Bonds, there's not much left to tarnish. And don't forget, owners and Selig looked the other while the bulk of this was happening.

Also, according to the Oakland Tribune's Glenn Reeves, San Francisco Giants SS Omar Vizquel disagrees with the focus on past behavior in Major League Baseball's investigation of steroid use and says OF Barry Bonds has been a target. "I don't know if players knew what was in the law," Vizquel said. "I knew cocaine was against the law. I didn't know what kind of steroids were against the law. Who knows what Hank Aaron was taking," said Vizquel, who said he wasn't accusing Aaron of anything. "Players will always find a way to get strength from something. We don't know if balls were juiced or bats were corked. There's so much in baseball we don't know about." I don't necessarily agree with that but for those who read ESPN the Magazine and are familiar with their "0:01" feature, a while back that they had a list of the top 10 home run hitters of all time. Each hitter had a different * next to their name for a different reason. The memory's hazy on what they were other than steroids and I wish I still had that. I'm sure I agree with it, but I'm just throwing that out there.

I'd just like to see Bonds stopped from passing Ruth and Aaron...and if baseball leadership won't do it, pitchers should just put him on base. Someone somewhere needs to honor the game.

And I still bristle at the "but it was allowed in baseball" argument. For something to be allowed in baseball that was illegal outside the sport is beyond rediculous.

Okay, sorry....

Opening Day is tomorrow...and the Trib pegged the Cubs for last place....

So it's all good from here, right?

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » April 1, 2006 1:37 pm

LET'S GO METS!!!

jonesbeach10 · Post by **jonesbeach10** » April 1, 2006 2:20 pm

LIPH wrote:LET'S GO METS!!!

I realized that the Mets are almost the exact same team as the Yankees. Both have a potent offense and the questionmarks are the health of the rotation and the depth of the pen.

But on that note

Let's Go Yankees!!!

TheSecretsInTheCrust · Post by **TheSecretsInTheCrust** » April 1, 2006 2:21 pm

I'll be at Petco Park Monday afternoon...sitting in left field close enough for balloon head....errrr Barry Bonds to hear me.
LETS GO PADS!

Tequila Revenge · Post by **Tequila Revenge** » April 1, 2006 2:39 pm

Quiet and Shy wrote:
jonesbeach10 wrote:First, the Onion article...they forgot to mention how Steinbrenner switched his scapegoat to A-Rod once October rolled around each year.

About the steroid investigation, I don't know what the investigation will prove. These guys were technically doing nothing wrong per MLB rules at the time, so you can't punish them for doing something that was ok at the time. As much as I want to see Bonds go down, I doubt much will happen other than maybe some reputations tarnished, and in the case of Bonds, there's not much left to tarnish. And don't forget, owners and Selig looked the other while the bulk of this was happening.

Also, according to the Oakland Tribune's Glenn Reeves, San Francisco Giants SS Omar Vizquel disagrees with the focus on past behavior in Major League Baseball's investigation of steroid use and says OF Barry Bonds has been a target. "I don't know if players knew what was in the law," Vizquel said. "I knew cocaine was against the law. I didn't know what kind of steroids were against the law. Who knows what Hank Aaron was taking," said Vizquel, who said he wasn't accusing Aaron of anything. "Players will always find a way to get strength from something. We don't know if balls were juiced or bats were corked. There's so much in baseball we don't know about." I don't necessarily agree with that but for those who read ESPN the Magazine and are familiar with their "0:01" feature, a while back that they had a list of the top 10 home run hitters of all time. Each hitter had a different * next to their name for a different reason. The memory's hazy on what they were other than steroids and I wish I still had that. I'm sure I agree with it, but I'm just throwing that out there.
I'd just like to see Bonds stopped from passing Ruth and Aaron...and if baseball leadership won't do it, pitchers should just put him on base. Someone somewhere needs to honor the game. And I still bristle at the "but it was allowed in baseball" argument. For something to be allowed in baseball that was illegal outside the sport is beyond rediculous.

Okay, sorry....

Opening Day is tomorrow...and the Trib pegged the Cubs for last place.... So it's all good from here, right?

Easy Q&S,

Bonds is the just most focal point. Should McGuire have his record stripped? He creid before the Senate. Just how many pitchers are/were juiced too? Remember when a Tommy John injury was about the end of one's career. Now after the miracles of modern medicine, pitchers come back with more speed. Has medicine affected the modern record book? Bring back wool uniforms, three fingered gloves you leave on the field between innings and Sunday double headers. Remove the lights from "Smith" stadium and make everyone plant grass!! While you're at it, get rid of that damn DH spot!

It's the greatest game inspite of the participants.

BTW, there was a really good story in one of the sporting mags a few years back on how Willie Mays spent some time with Barry on his stance and swing. Willie opened him up a bit. I don't condone beef steroids, but you still have to hit the damn ball. Like it or not, the dude hits the ball.

Sincerely,

Crash Davis

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » April 1, 2006 4:23 pm

I agree with Q&S. If the management won't do it, somebody else should stop Bonds. And even though I'm a lifelong Cardinals fan, if McGwire is proven to be on steroids at ANY time during his career, his title should be stripped, as well as any other player who has used steroids. They pervert the whole game.

Tequila Revenge · Post by **Tequila Revenge** » April 1, 2006 5:03 pm

Ilph wrote:I agree with Q&S. If the management won't do it, somebody else should stop Bonds. And even though I'm a lifelong Cardinals fan, if McGwire is proven to be on steroids at ANY time during his career, his title should be stripped, as well as any other player who has used steroids. They pervert the whole game.

If Big Mac was not juiced, why did he break down and cry when he was asked infront of the Senate hearing if he use steroids? At least Sammy suddenly forgot how to speak english!

No one cared back then. It was fun to watch the guy hit the cover off the ball.