Proof there are tickets for brokers only

Midnight Flyer · Post by **Midnight Flyer** » February 23, 2006 12:07 pm

Here is proof there are "stealth seats" that we can't get.

http://www.casenet.com/concert/irvine.htm

land_shark3 · Post by **land_shark3** » February 23, 2006 12:11 pm

Those same seats at Hi-Fi Buys are sold as a season package.

For a couple grand, you too can have first shot at buying those seats before they go on sale.

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » February 23, 2006 12:19 pm

I know someone will come along that will think this practice is perfectly justifiable but excluding others from ticket purchases isn't fair to concert goers at all.

Midnight Flyer · Post by **Midnight Flyer** » February 23, 2006 12:32 pm

I agree. I can understand a certain amount of tickets held back for family, friends, sponsors, etc. But to intentionally hold back tickets from the public for the sole pourpose of selling to broker/scalpers

is just wrong.

What I think is even more disturbing is that in a nondirect way Jimmy is perpetuating this by allowing the venue to do it. I would think that he would have the power to tell the venue or production people that he will not allow this at his show. By allowing it to happen, Jimmy is supporting and keeping the brokers/scalpers

in business, IMHO.

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » February 23, 2006 12:35 pm

Jahfin wrote:I know someone will come along that will think this practice is perfectly justifiable but excluding others from ticket purchases isn't fair to concert goers at all.

I could even tell you WHO will come along and say it, but I don't want to pick another fight with him....

springparrot · Post by **springparrot** » February 23, 2006 1:01 pm

And the fact that Mike can't spell BuffetT right

nomad · Post by **nomad** » February 23, 2006 1:04 pm

I'll say it. We only have ourselves to blame. If we don't like the prices, we shouldn't pay them. Whether we pay a broker, or the venue itself.

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » February 23, 2006 1:08 pm

nomad wrote:I'll say it. We only have ourselves to blame. If we don't like the prices, we shouldn't pay them. Whether we pay a broker, or the venue itself.

And it begins.

But the Brokers exist for no other reason than to profit off of these tickets. WIthout the brokers, these tickets would be available to the general public at a cheaper price. It's legalized scalping.

SharkOnLand · Post by **SharkOnLand** » February 23, 2006 1:18 pm

If it would stop brokers from buying any other tickets, I'd say it was a good idea. Let the brokers bid on the "hidden seats" (hopefully with the ticket brokers cannibalizing themselves) and leave the rest of the seats for the average joe. Of course, there's no way to ultimately enforce that, so let the ticket brokers fight it out with us for ALL the seats, it's only fair. (Not that I think ticket brokers are fair, I believe it's legalized scalping like the Captain said...)

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » February 23, 2006 1:20 pm

nomad wrote:I'll say it. We only have ourselves to blame. If we don't like the prices, we shouldn't pay them. Whether we pay a broker, or the venue itself.

No, we have brokers to blame. The general concert going public did not ask that they be excluded from tickets to the best seats in the house.

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » February 23, 2006 1:21 pm

SharkOnLand wrote:If it would stop brokers from buying any other tickets, I'd say it was a good idea. Let the brokers bid on the "hidden seats" (hopefully with the ticket brokers cannibalizing themselves) and leave the rest of the seats for the average joe. Of course, there's no way to ultimately enforce that, so let the ticket brokers fight it out with us for ALL the seats, it's only fair. (Not that I think ticket brokers are fair, I believe it's legalized scalping like the Captain said...)

The brokers do both. There is a member of BN who works at a store with a TM outlet. She says every major concert, she recognizes the same people in line, buying up as many tickets as possible. She goes out and looks at the line, and can go, "Fan, broker, broker, broker, fan, fan, broker." She says if there was ANY way to fix the lottery so the fans get the best spots in line, she would, but she can't.

So the brokers get special deals AND buy up the other tix.

ToplessRideFL · Post by **ToplessRideFL** » February 23, 2006 1:51 pm

I do not think there is motivation for the venues to keep brokers out. Their quest is to sell every ticket. What do they care what happens after they are sold?

I am not saying its right... I am just saying its the way it is....

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » February 23, 2006 2:04 pm

ToplessRideFL wrote:I am not saying its right... I am just saying its the way it is....

Not in every case. Some performers put measures in place to deter brokers and scalpers. They don't always work but at least they are making an effort. I'm really surprised Buffett doesn't have some sort of fan-based ticketing service set up at this point as some other artists do. Again, it's not foolproof but at least it's a deterrent to scalper and broker scum.

ToplessRideFL · Post by **ToplessRideFL** » February 23, 2006 2:06 pm

Jahfin wrote:
ToplessRideFL wrote:I am not saying its right... I am just saying its the way it is....
Not in every case. Some performers put measures in place to deter brokers and scalpers. They don't always work but at least they are making an effort. I'm really surprised Buffett doesn't have some sort of fan-based ticketing service set up at this point as some other artists do. Again, it's not foolproof but at least it's a deterrent to scalper and broker scum.

I am not really as informed on this subject as many.... but is that was Jimmy did in Aspen and San Fran?

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » February 23, 2006 2:19 pm

ToplessRideFL wrote:
Jahfin wrote:
ToplessRideFL wrote:I am not saying its right... I am just saying its the way it is....
Not in every case. Some performers put measures in place to deter brokers and scalpers. They don't always work but at least they are making an effort. I'm really surprised Buffett doesn't have some sort of fan-based ticketing service set up at this point as some other artists do. Again, it's not foolproof but at least it's a deterrent to scalper and broker scum.
I am not really as informed on this subject as many.... but is that was Jimmy did in Aspen and San Fran?

I'm not sure either but are you referring to the Freddy and the Fishsticks and Fillmore shows? In any event, several other artists have fanclub ticketing services set up for nearly every stop on their tours that enable fans to buy tix before the general public. These usually mean good to excellent seats. The exceptions being festival type shows that are General Admission.

ToplessRideFL · Post by **ToplessRideFL** » February 23, 2006 2:21 pm

Jahfin wrote:
I'm not sure either but are you referring to the Freddy and the Fishsticks and Fillmore shows? .

yes

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » February 23, 2006 2:34 pm

ToplessRideFL wrote:
Jahfin wrote:
I'm not sure either but are you referring to the Freddy and the Fishsticks and Fillmore shows? .
yes

Sorry, don't know much about those shows except the Aspen one was severely overpriced. Of course that's the price you pay for seeing Buffett in such an intimate venue. I'm refering more to fanclub tickets for entire tours, not speciality one-off shows such as those.

I know he played the grand opening of Cheeseburger in Paradise in Asheville not long ago and tickets were reportedly going for $1,000 and upwards, prices I'd never pay, especially with Patterson Hood playing for $5 a head just up the street.

nomad · Post by **nomad** » February 23, 2006 2:35 pm

If the fans weren't so willing to drop a few hundred dollors (if not a thousand) on tickets from brokers, they wouldn't exist. Fans can make them go out of business, for one year don't buy any from them.

chippewa · Post by **chippewa** » February 23, 2006 2:40 pm

Dallas, Irvine and SF lawn tickets are already on ebay. Sales start Feb. 27?

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » February 23, 2006 3:25 pm

nomad wrote:If the fans weren't so willing to drop a few hundred dollors (if not a thousand) on tickets from brokers, they wouldn't exist. Fans can make them go out of business, for one year don't buy any from them.

Easier said than done. Particularly among a few here who seem only too eager to do just that. Not everyone can afford those prices. Eventually the very people that have supported Buffett all these years will be priced out of being able to attend his shows at all.