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No Fly List

Posted: February 28, 2006 9:20 am
by Jahfin
This is a Direct Blog Entry by the author, James Moore
posted on:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore ... 13272.html

Jan 4, 2006

James Moore is an Emmy-winning former television news
correspondent and the co-author of the bestselling, Bush's
Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential. He has
been writing and reporting from Texas for the past 25 years
on the rise of Rove and Bush and has traveled extensively on
every presidential campaign since 1976.

This author was placed on the no fly list.

Two points: there's nothing you or I can do to help him but
make this public, and two-we are all targets here. This
should make you scared and p*** at the same time. If it
doesn't, check your pulse.

James Moore:

"I made it a point to arrive very early at the airport. My
reservation was confirmed before I left home. I went to the
electronic kiosk and punched in my confirmation number to
print out my boarding pass and luggage tags. Another error
message appeared, "Please see agent."

I did. She took my Texas driver's license and punched in the
relevant information to her computer system.

"I'm sorry, sir," she said. "There seems to be a problem.
You've been placed on the No Fly Watch List."

"Excuse me?"

"I'm afraid there isn't much more that I can tell you," she
explained. "It's just the list that's maintained by TSA to
check for people who might have terrorist connections."

"You're serious?"

"I'm afraid so, sir. Here's an 800 number in Washington. You
need to call them before I can clear you for the flight."

Exasperated, I dialed the number from my cell, determined to
clear up what I was sure was a clerical error. The woman who
answered offered me no more information than the ticket
agent.

"Ma'am, I'd like to know how I got on the No Fly Watch List."

"I'm not really authorized to tell you that, sir," she
explained after taking down my social security and Texas
driver's license numbers.

"What can you tell me?"

"All I can tell you is that there is something in your
background that in some way is similar to someone they are
looking for."

"Well, let me get this straight then," I said. "Our
government is looking for a guy who may have a mundane Anglo
name, who pays tens of thousands of dollars every year in
taxes, has never been arrested or even late on a credit card
payment, is more uninteresting than a Tupperware party, and
cries after the first two notes of the national anthem? We
need to find this guy. He sounds dangerous to me."

"I'm sorry, sir, I've already told you everything I can."

"Oh, wait," I said. "One last thing: this guy they are
looking for? Did he write books critical of the Bush
administration, too?"

I have been on the No Fly Watch List for a year. I will never
be told the official reason. No one ever is. You cannot sue
to get the information. Nothing I have done has moved me any
closer to getting off the list. There were 35,000 Americans
in that database last year. According to a European
government that screens hundreds of thousands of American
travelers every year, the list they have been given to work
from has since grown to 80,000.

In 1960 the gap between the top 20% and the bottom 20% was thirtyfold. Now it is seventy-five fold. Thirty years ago the average annual compensation of the top 100 chief executives in the country was 30 times the pay of the average worker. Today it is 1000 times the pay of the average worker.

Posted: February 28, 2006 10:23 am
by buffettbride
Thanks Jah. That is very interesting, and appropriate, food for thought.

Posted: February 28, 2006 6:21 pm
by Lastplaneout
If I was ever in that perdicament(sp) I would go straight home....pack everything I own into a truck and drive to Canada. Just for being critical of the current administration....might as well live in Nazi Germany. Boy this isn't a good thread for me to read..im just going to stop riiight now

Posted: February 28, 2006 6:29 pm
by land_shark3
Lastplaneout wrote:Boy this isn't a good thread for me to read..im just going to stop riiight now
Its ok, you are already on the "No-Fly" list. :P

Posted: March 1, 2006 4:05 am
by Sam
I am not so sure he on the "No-Fly List" he still flys, doesn't he? He just goes through extra screening. After reading over the full article and some of the comments about him and situation on the site.....He is not the only James Moore that it affects. As every person with that name is affected.

I don't believe it was done for political purposes or simply because he wrote a book that is anti this administration.

After all look how many other authors of books, anti to this administration are not on the "No Fly List"...

THERE IS a prodedure in place, to get your name off of the list if you are wrongly placed on it.

As for the list growing to over 80,000 names I dunno if that is true or not,but, perhaps because of intel ( good or bad) recieved from some of the captives or communication intercepts or other means? Perhaps there really is a James Moore that is on the watch list for whatever reason. I read about a family that unkown to them, their four year old son was placed on the list and created a nightmare of delays because of the keet's name showing up on the list. A FOUR YEAR OLD???Yeah REEEE-BLEEPING-DIC-U-LOUS!!!! But then again they take way nail clippers and other everyday items of use, is idiocy as well. ( perhaps the airports them selves were behind that one so they could get a cut of the profits when people stop in and buy replacements? :roll: :wink: 8) :D :pirate:

Posted: March 1, 2006 6:42 pm
by The Lost Manatee
Given that there is no oversight of the "No Fly" list and the government continues to refuse to allow citizens to see the regulations that are used to create the list, there really isn't anyway to know how one ends up on the list. I know several people who are politically active and critical of the current administration and they all ended up on the list within a few days of appearing on a national broadcast. It could be coincidental or it could have something to do with their politics. In one case, the person had flown to Washington DC, without a problem and when she went to check in for her return flight she was told that she was on the "No Fly" list. She ended up taking the train home to California.

I do know that John Gilmore filed suit against the Federal Government and his lawsuit is still pending. You can google him and find lots of information about the TSA, it's regulations and the "No Fly" lists and the watch lists.

Civil liberities vs. a sense of security in a free society, that's what it will come down to.

Posted: March 2, 2006 2:06 pm
by flyboy55
Sam wrote: I don't believe it was done for political purposes or simply because he wrote a book that is anti this administration.
Wake up man! This is right up Karl Rove's alley! He's been doing this kind of borderline illegal political hatchet stuff since back in his college days as a Young Republican. If there was any justice in America, Karl would be in prison with a 300 lb cellmate named "Bubba".

James Moore is the victim of a politically motivated campaign of harrassment. This is disturbing, to say the least. You might expect something like this in many other parts of the world where tin-pot dictators rule the roost, but in the Good Ole USA?

Go ahead Karl, you pathetic lardass, put ME on your "No-Fly" list!

Cheers.

Posted: March 2, 2006 2:20 pm
by Sam
flyboy55 wrote:
Sam wrote: I don't believe it was done for political purposes or simply because he wrote a book that is anti this administration.
Wake up man! This is right up Karl Rove's alley! He's been doing this kind of borderline illegal political hatchet stuff since back in his college days as a Young Republican. If there was any justice in America, Karl would be in prison with a 300 lb cellmate named "Bubba".

James Moore is the victim of a politically motivated campaign of harrassment. This is disturbing, to say the least. You might expect something like this in many other parts of the world where tin-pot dictators rule the roost, but in the Good Ole USA?

Go ahead Karl, you pathetic lardass, put ME on your "No-Fly" list!

Cheers.
Oh PUH-LEEEEAAAAZZZZEE!!
How many other authors are out there that have written critical books or works critical to this adminstration?
Since you know all about this as fact as to what happen lets See the documentation or else go to James Moore with your "evidence" I am sure someone will want to buy it from you... try the National Enquirer....or one of the other tabloids..... Maybe Jerry Springer would be interested in it...