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Jill's kids rock.

Thanks BG...but now I've seen some really cool Victoria and Tony stories too!!! If they are PH keets...they rock!

Oops, there I go again making broad statements!!!

jimolliemom wrote:Thanks BG...but now I've seen some really cool Victoria and Tony stories too!!! If they are PH keets...they rock!

Oops, there I go again making broad statements!!!

Who ya callin' a broad?

jimolliemom wrote:Soraya...I think you should read my post again...
I was laughing at the TOPIC of class...not the ways or actions of anyone. Ironic how that was the class just a few days after this began. To me, that was God giving me a lesson I needed. How DO I deal with this kind of discussion????(Note, asking God...not anyone in particular)

I am sorry I misunderstood your post in this respect. I do think it was worded unclearly, but I believe your intent is how you say.

UAHparrothead wrote:Now, wanna talk about children?? I'm very glad your daughter is a nice child and has a good brain. I would hope that for everyone's kid. BUT...after lots of accusing and heavy overtones...my kids are FAR from judged by where they go to church or who their parents are or the home they live in or ANYTHING other than their character. My son is 15 and 1/2. He makes ALL A's on his report card of which 4 are Honors classes. He is on the Football team and plays offense and defense. He is a Boy Scout where he just made STAR rank and has been accepted into the Order of the Arrow and is Senior Patrol Leader. He tutors friends (of all races and beliefs) before school. He gets to school 35 minutes early every day just for this, even the days after having chains and bars added to his braces and his mouth is throbbing. He has his Learner's Permit, he ushers at churchand he is active in the Youth Group and he spent his Spring Break helping break ground for a home for Habitat for humanities. Oh, did I mention he is the first to help collect and donate (his own money!) for all our Club functions? Well wounded...yep. And he understands and accepts other religions and non religions for others. He also knows how he feels and he has a WONDERFUL one on one relationship with God. Now, I could give you a similar list for my daughter but since she's only 6 years old, she hasn't been involved in as much. Do not assume that since I am a Christian and I raise my children as such that they are closed minded and I have warped them somehow!

Your son helps others, but yet excels in a group (Boy Scouts) that excludes anyone that isn't Christian, while demanding in many cases, taxpayer money from tax payers of all faiths (and lack thereof)?

You are proud that your son plays on a team that holds Christian team prayers (thereby excluding others, or at least making them very uncomfortable, that aren't Christian?)?

I am sure your son is a great kid, but you are bragging about the very things that encourage putting others that don't share your beliefs down. How can this be seen as anything but hypocritical at the very least. I fail to see how this makes your teaching him to be accepting of others. There is more to acceptance then not beating someone up.

Maybe you don't even know that there are probably others in your community that are ostracized...after all, you aren't....you've never heard of anyone having a problem, so there must not be one. But let me tell you, they are there. They just keep their mouth's shut so they don't have it worse then they do now.

UAHparrothead wrote:As far as the closing of my last post, it was meant as a joke for the folks who are ready for an argument at the drop of a hat. And you proved my point.

Touche...you've proved several of mine.

I don't have kids...yet

Oh, and I said that last quote...not Brad

I'm not bragging about Jim...just pointing out that he IS well rounded, caring and loves God. That's all. Again, unless you've been to my town, you will not know the life I speak of. I didn't even know it until I moved here.

Soraya.....I'd continue to think they were wrong, but would respect their right to do so.


I got to say if my kidlet came home one day and said she/he found religion, or God, or something within respectable boundaries to which society denotes acceptable, read..not Moonies etc....and her findings/beliefs were contrary to mine though I raised the kidlet with an open mind, the first thing I would do is sit down with said kidlet and ask what she/he sees that I may have missed. Not in an arguementative manner but in an exploratory way...after all I raised said kidlet..perhaps they were able to see something I wasn't....my two cents..change due upon request.

bumper wrote:Soraya.....

I got to say if my kidlet came home one day and said she/he found religion, or God, or something within respectable boundaries to which society denotes acceptable, read..not Moonies etc....and her findings/beliefs were contrary to mine though I raised the kidlet with an open mind, the first thing I would do is sit down with said kidlet and ask what she/he sees that I may have missed. Not in an arguementative manner but in an exploratory way...after all I raised said kidlet..perhaps they were able to see something I wasn't....my two cents..change due upon request

That seems perfectly reasonable. I am sure if she ever changed her opinion of religion, we'd be doing lots of talking about it as well.

I'd be very curious where the faith comes from, and why she developed it. My great-grandmother was very Christian. She was also one of my favorite relatives. (I still remember the time she told my mother to stop giving me lip about wearing a red dress!) Until the day she died at age 100, she had daily mass. (Until she was 93 she went to the church. When she became wheelchair bound her Priest visited every day, and often nuns would stop by to read to her or just talk.).

There may be something there that I don't get faith-wise..but it's not the faith that causes the problems.

bumper wrote:Soraya.....I'd continue to think they were wrong, but would respect their right to do so.


I got to say if my kidlet came home one day and said she/he found religion, or God, or something within respectable boundaries to which society denotes acceptable, read..not Moonies etc....and her findings/beliefs were contrary to mine though I raised the kidlet with an open mind, the first thing I would do is sit down with said kidlet and ask what she/he sees that I may have missed. Not in an arguementative manner but in an exploratory way...after all I raised said kidlet..perhaps they were able to see something I wasn't....my two cents..change due upon request.

And just what have you got against Moonie...


Oh, those Moonies...nevermind...

And just what have you got against Moonie...


Oh, those Moonies...nevermind...

troublemaker

Moonie wrote:
And just what have you got against Moonie...


Oh, those Moonies...nevermind...

I was waiting for someone to make this comment! LOL! It's even funnier with your nick!

**edited because I can never remember to uncheck 'Disable BBCode in this post'***

Soraya wrote:

bumper wrote:Soraya.....

I got to say if my kidlet came home one day and said she/he found religion, or God, or something within respectable boundaries to which society denotes acceptable, read..not Moonies etc....and her findings/beliefs were contrary to mine though I raised the kidlet with an open mind, the first thing I would do is sit down with said kidlet and ask what she/he sees that I may have missed. Not in an arguementative manner but in an exploratory way...after all I raised said kidlet..perhaps they were able to see something I wasn't....my two cents..change due upon request

That seems perfectly reasonable. I am sure if she ever changed her opinion of religion, we'd be doing lots of talking about it as well.

I'd be very curious where the faith comes from, and why she developed it. My great-grandmother was very Christian. She was also one of my favorite relatives. (I still remember the time she told my mother to stop giving me lip about wearing a red dress!) Until the day she died at age 100, she had daily mass. (Until she was 93 she went to the church. When she became wheelchair bound her Priest visited every day, and often nuns would stop by to read to her or just talk.).

There may be something there that I don't get faith-wise..but it's not the faith that causes the problems.

May or may not be, perhaps she was able to see something you were not....but as we know....having faith can take many different shapes and forms and its usually egocentric..not a bad thing..just the way it is

THERE ARE Boy Scouts of of other Faiths and religions. All over the world.
If we dealt only in logic then we would not love or hate or distrust or trust someone for no apparent reason would we? Those cannot be touched,seen or felt and only come from within. We know what they are by experience, yet we cannot buy them or get them from a shelf. How can one prove any of them exsist or don't exist? Through experience is my only answer. Do you have a better one? If so yes I would like to hear it.

Even Darwin's Theory of Evolution has been taken to mean things he never said. It does not completely explain everything asneatly as some people like to think. I do know doctors and scientists that are Christian. How do they do it? I have had doctors tell me it was out of their hands and was in Gods hands.

Soyara. I am not looking to argue with you or convert you or anything else. There is a difference between what I term REAL Christians and those that "Claim to be" Christians. I could tell you about an incident of an anonymous letter I got from a supposed Christian of many years after I saw my mother killed, my brother severely injured and nearly killed myself. ( I did find out who it was though!)

I won't bother to tell it here though. The details are irrevelent,the relevancy is that it happened. I am just using that as a point that not everyone that claims to be a Christian, really is. My Faith is as strong as it ever was.

You admitted in your post people lose cues,visual,etc, in this form of communication. There is no reason to be hostile in here. You said you were a moderator in another forum...then apply that here. No reason to always to percieve an insult when none is intended is there?

I wish Peace and Joy upon you and yours.

bumper wrote:May or may not be, perhaps she was able to see something you were not....but as we know....having faith can take many different shapes and forms and its usually egocentric..not a bad thing..just the way it is

One person I know once said (and I paraphrase some) it was his opinion that all religion is egocentric....it is what helps humans deal with being small critters in a really, really, really big universe. A universe whose sheer size is often overwhelming.

Soraya wrote:

bumper wrote:May or may not be, perhaps she was able to see something you were not....but as we know....having faith can take many different shapes and forms and its usually egocentric..not a bad thing..just the way it is

One person I know once said (and I paraphrase some) it was his opinion that all religion is egocentric....it is what helps humans deal with being small critters in a really, really, really big universe. A universe whose sheer size is often overwhelming.

well, yup....we are insignificant creatures in a world we barely understand.....thank whoever you wish be it God or Buddha or big oak that insects are the size they or the food chain would look a whole lot different

Sam wrote:Soyara. I am not looking to argue with you or convert you or anything else. There is a difference between what I term REAL Christians and those that "Claim to be" Christians.

Sam, I don't believe for a second you aren't looking to argue. Sorry....I see it in this thread and others, and at least two people have warned me not to argue back because you are a favorite son. Well, so be it.

And the name is Soraya....if I am taken to task for misspelling 'Axel' Rose's stage name, the very least I can expect is to have my actual name spelled correctly as well.

And what is the litmus test for a 'real Christian'? You are back in the realm of logical fallacy...this one is commonly called 'the one true Scotsman'. This is one that isn't even negated by the notion of faith.

And no, Boy Scouts do not allow atheists to join. You may remember the law suits? You know, the ones that they proved they are a private organization, so they could exclude whom ever they wished (as is the right of a private group) but thankfully shot themselves in the foot, that they are slowly losing all their public funds and free access to public lands.

Soraya wrote:

Sam wrote:Soyara. I am not looking to argue with you or convert you or anything else. There is a difference between what I term REAL Christians and those that "Claim to be" Christians.

Sam, I don't believe for a second you aren't looking to argue. Sorry....I see it in this thread and others, and at least two people have warned me not to argue back because you are a favorite son. Well, so be it.

And the name is Soraya....if I am taken to task for misspelling 'Axel' Rose's stage name, the very least I can expect is to have my actual name spelled correctly as well.

And what is the litmus test for a 'real Christian'? You are back in the realm of logical fallacy...this one is commonly called 'the one true Scotsman'. This is one that isn't even negated by the notion of faith.

And no, Boy Scouts do not allow atheists to join. You may remember the law suits? You know, the ones that they proved they are a private organization, so they could exclude whom ever they wished (as is the right of a private group) but thankfully shot themselves in the foot, that they are slowly losing all their public funds and free access to public lands.

Excuse me....... ???
Do you believe everything some people tell you?? As you have said about what people say in this median of conversation, A LOT of things are lost. So how do you know what you say is true about my other posts ?


ONE. I AM WHAT? I don't know anything about being being anyone Favorite's Son, other than my Mother that birthed and raised me. May she Rest In Peace. PLEASE take the time to explain what you are talking about or accusing me of , either in here or in PM. By all means TELL ME JUST WHOSE FAVORITE SON, OF THAT YOU ACCUSE ME OF BEING.

TWO. I am honest in what I tell you. I meant no malice or attack or accusation.

THREE. You can either believe what you heard or believe it straight from me when I tell you something.

FOUR. My apologies for the typo of your name. Imeant no insult by it and are you now one of the Grmmar Nazi's around here? Typo's happen. Read enough of my posts, here and elsewhere, and you will find out I am the typo king. Again my apologies for the typo of your name.

FIVE. You obviously know very litle of the Boy Scouts and have not followed your own posts.

Your son helps others, but yet excels in a group (Boy Scouts) that excludes anyone that isn't Christian, while demanding in many cases, taxpayer money from tax payers of all faiths (and lack thereof)?

You did not say earlier "they did not allow atheists", you said they exclude anyone that isn't Christian, which is not true. Now you have changed that to atheists. I can tell you that there are Boy Scouts from all over the world, of different beliefs other than Christian. Look up a Boy Scout International Jamboree where Boy Scouts from all over the World meet.
You will find many who are other than Christian.

SiIX. Until you lose that chip on your shoulder or WTF ever problem it is you have with me, and decide to be at least somewhat reasonable and cordial and so accusatory, then I see no reason to carry this any further. If you want peace then make it happen, if not then continue the way you are going.



When and IF you decide you want peace with me, let me know.
Thank you.

I made the offer.. it us up to you accept or reject as you choose.
Peace be with you and yours.

HEY..an enciter encited an enciter...COOL !!

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